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RE: Expansion talk with regard to the ACC
(04-09-2021 12:41 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 08:56 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 11:39 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The ACC is 2 conferences trying to exist as one. It doesn't really work.

Some time ago, I proposed that there should be a separation.

The old guard of the ACC could just reconstitute with a few like-minded schools and form a basketball first league.

Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, and Wake Forest could form up with UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, and USF. Immediately, you have a 10 school league that could carve its niche. They would be stable and compete in the sports they genuinely care about. Meanwhile, a small selection can provide some football legitimacy. No real reason not to include them in a Power structure.

For the ACC members that care about football and competing for titles, they could be shipped off.

Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, and Clemson could join the SEC.

Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, and Pittsburgh could join the Big 12. In addition, Notre Dame can take their partial agreement and go with that grouping.

As much as I am a fan of symmetry, it doesn't have to be congruent.


Step 1) +4 in the East
East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

West: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Texas A&M


Step 2) Rebalance

East: Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Kentucky, Tennessee

West: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Auburn



That came out cleaner than I thought. But I'd be remiss if I didn't then go just a bit further:

East: Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, Auburn, (UofL/NC State/UNC)

West: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, (OKST/TTU/Kansas)

Flip Auburn and FSU, Swagger, and I think you got it. Cross-over games would still be a necessary evil, but it is what it is.

Three conferences would be better (14 +14+11).

East:
Miami, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Carolina, Duke, UVa, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame.

South:
Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, Auburn
Virginia Tech, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, MSU, West Virginia, Louisville

West:
Ole Miss, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech
Oklahoma, OSU, Kansas, KSU, Iowa State, Missouri, Arkansas
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Post: #102
RE: Expansion talk with regard to the ACC
(04-09-2021 02:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 12:41 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 08:56 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 11:39 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The ACC is 2 conferences trying to exist as one. It doesn't really work.

Some time ago, I proposed that there should be a separation.

The old guard of the ACC could just reconstitute with a few like-minded schools and form a basketball first league.

Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, and Wake Forest could form up with UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, and USF. Immediately, you have a 10 school league that could carve its niche. They would be stable and compete in the sports they genuinely care about. Meanwhile, a small selection can provide some football legitimacy. No real reason not to include them in a Power structure.

For the ACC members that care about football and competing for titles, they could be shipped off.

Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, and Clemson could join the SEC.

Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, and Pittsburgh could join the Big 12. In addition, Notre Dame can take their partial agreement and go with that grouping.

As much as I am a fan of symmetry, it doesn't have to be congruent.


Step 1) +4 in the East
East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

West: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Texas A&M


Step 2) Rebalance

East: Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Kentucky, Tennessee

West: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Auburn



That came out cleaner than I thought. But I'd be remiss if I didn't then go just a bit further:

East: Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, Auburn, (UofL/NC State/UNC)

West: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, (OKST/TTU/Kansas)

Flip Auburn and FSU, Swagger, and I think you got it. Cross-over games would still be a necessary evil, but it is what it is.

Three conferences would be better (14 +14+11).

East:
Miami, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Carolina, Duke, UVa, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame.

South:
Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, Auburn
Virginia Tech, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, MSU, West Virginia, Louisville

West:
Ole Miss, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech
Oklahoma, OSU, Kansas, KSU, Iowa State, Missouri, Arkansas
That ACC configuration is perilously close to a DavidSt-ism.

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RE: Expansion talk with regard to the ACC
(04-09-2021 11:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 11:39 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The ACC is 2 conferences trying to exist as one. It doesn't really work.

There has always been a simple solution. The ACC is already split - into 2 divisions. Why in the world aren't those divisions "Old ACC" and "Old Big East"? (Yes, I realize that one "Old ACC" team might have to join the "Old Big East", but I'm sure it would still be better than "Coastal" and "Atlantic").

Old ACC and New ACC would be an even 7 in each:

New (joined after 1/1/1990): Miami, Florida St, Va Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, BC

Old: GT, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake, UVa
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RE: Expansion talk with regard to the ACC
(04-09-2021 03:07 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 11:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 11:39 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The ACC is 2 conferences trying to exist as one. It doesn't really work.

There has always been a simple solution. The ACC is already split - into 2 divisions. Why in the world aren't those divisions "Old ACC" and "Old Big East"? (Yes, I realize that one "Old ACC" team might have to join the "Old Big East", but I'm sure it would still be better than "Coastal" and "Atlantic").

Old ACC and New ACC would be an even 7 in each:

New (joined after 1/1/1990): Miami, Florida St, Va Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, BC

Old: GT, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake, UVa

Sign me up!
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RE: Expansion talk with regard to the ACC
There are six original members of the Southern Conference from 1921.

GT, VT, UNC, NC State, Clemson, and UVa are all original members from 1921. Duke joined in 1928, GT left in 1933 and returned in 1978. Virginia left in 1936 and returned in 1954. Wake Forest joined in 1937. The reality is that there are six original members of the group with two early expansions from 80 and 90 years ago.

FSU was the first "new" school in 1990. Followed of course by Miami and then VT rejoining the group, BC, Pitt and Syracuse, and finally Louisville.

I realize there is a fascination with the year 1953 and the first year of the ACC, but nothing about the ACC was new other than kicking West Va, VT, GW, Richmond, Davidson, VMI, W&M, W&L and Furman to the curb.

If you go by time served the State, UNC, and Clemson have 100 years service. Duke has 93 years while WF has 85 and UVa has 84 years total. GT has spent 57 of the last 100 years with the group. VT has 47. FSU has 31. Miami 17 and BC just 16. Pitt and Syracuse have just 9 while ND has just 8 and Louisville just 7. Old and New really break 8 to 6.
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