(04-11-2021 01:21 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 01:05 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 12:13 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 10:35 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  1. Why would Idaho want to be such a massive outlier?

2. Why would they go through the ordeal of dropping down, only to go back up? If you thought they were bad when they were FBS well they'll be even worse after the drop down debacle.

They're already worse. Not even looking at the team's strength, (they're 11-16 since the move), the team's attendance average even less at FCS playing schools like Montana, Montana State, PSU, Idaho St. etc. The opposite of what they thought would happen.

Honestly I think idaho is good where it is. I think Weber state, North Arizona or even Northern Colorado are better and easier options for both the Big Sky and the WAC to get or lose. It's like how I think the WAC may want to get rid of non football schools eventually. I think the WAC would be happy if the Big Sky takes Seattle to fill a Cal Poly or UC Davis Olympic spot in the Big Sky.

BSC ===> WAC
Northern AZ ---> WAC
Northern CO ---> WAC

WAC ===> BSC
Seattle ---> BSC
UT Valley -> BSC

Seattle and UT Valley are the most geographically northern universities in the WAC...the BSC would be a more Pacific Northwest oriented conference...the WAC would be a more Southwest oriented conference...both would be more geographically compact footprint...

What happens to Seattle and UTRGV's baseball and men's soccer programs??

They'd have to drop them and add Football, since that is a Big Sky requirement.

(And you meant UVU)

(04-13-2021 06:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 01:21 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 01:05 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 12:13 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  They're already worse. Not even looking at the team's strength, (they're 11-16 since the move), the team's attendance average even less at FCS playing schools like Montana, Montana State, PSU, Idaho St. etc. The opposite of what they thought would happen.

Honestly I think idaho is good where it is. I think Weber state, North Arizona or even Northern Colorado are better and easier options for both the Big Sky and the WAC to get or lose. It's like how I think the WAC may want to get rid of non football schools eventually. I think the WAC would be happy if the Big Sky takes Seattle to fill a Cal Poly or UC Davis Olympic spot in the Big Sky.

BSC ===> WAC
Northern AZ ---> WAC
Northern CO ---> WAC

WAC ===> BSC
Seattle ---> BSC
UT Valley -> BSC

Seattle and UT Valley are the most geographically northern universities in the WAC...the BSC would be a more Pacific Northwest oriented conference...the WAC would be a more Southwest oriented conference...both would be more geographically compact footprint...

What happens to Seattle and UTRGV's baseball and men's soccer programs??

They'd have to drop them and add Football, since that is a Big Sky requirement.

(And you meant UVU)

Which they (Seattle) won't do. They'd try to keep it in the WAC and if that fails, bribe the WCC or BW to let in those two sports.

(04-13-2021 06:24 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-13-2021 06:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 01:21 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 01:05 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 12:13 PM)46566 Wrote:  Honestly I think idaho is good where it is. I think Weber state, North Arizona or even Northern Colorado are better and easier options for both the Big Sky and the WAC to get or lose. It's like how I think the WAC may want to get rid of non football schools eventually. I think the WAC would be happy if the Big Sky takes Seattle to fill a Cal Poly or UC Davis Olympic spot in the Big Sky.

BSC ===> WAC
Northern AZ ---> WAC
Northern CO ---> WAC

WAC ===> BSC
Seattle ---> BSC
UT Valley -> BSC

Seattle and UT Valley are the most geographically northern universities in the WAC...the BSC would be a more Pacific Northwest oriented conference...the WAC would be a more Southwest oriented conference...both would be more geographically compact footprint...

What happens to Seattle and UTRGV's baseball and men's soccer programs??

They'd have to drop them and add Football, since that is a Big Sky requirement.

(And you meant UVU)

Which they (Seattle) won't do. They'd try to keep it in the WAC and if that fails, bribe the WCC or BW to let in those two sports.

Agreed - which is why the talk of Seattle to the Big Sky is far fetched.

Another interesting thread to bump.

(04-05-2021 10:23 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:54 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  I'm sure glad that you CUSA and SBC guys don't get to decide who is FBS and who isn't. Let's let the individual schools and conferences and the NCAA make that decision.

Hate gatekeepers. App got dissed a lot by many fans of G5 schools. If a school wants to fund FBS football then let them.

They are rampant on here lately! Bless their hearts. Lol.

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/16...w-yRmip-WA

(12-09-2022 09:15 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/16...w-yRmip-WA

Well, my prediction of a quick rule change to "Nope" out the WAC loophole is now on the clock.

(12-09-2022 09:29 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:15 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/16...w-yRmip-WA

Well, my prediction of a quick rule change to "Nope" out the WAC loophole is now on the clock.

I don't know why the WAC loophole hasn't already been closed.

But the WAC-ASUN would have to get a further NCAA rule change to allow a football-only conference for FBS. Even if the WAC loophole isn't closed, they wouldn't currently be allowed to do this.

(12-09-2022 09:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:29 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:15 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/16...w-yRmip-WA

Well, my prediction of a quick rule change to "Nope" out the WAC loophole is now on the clock.

I don't know why the WAC loophole hasn't already been closed.

My guess, It was never both important and urgent before.

Quote:But the WAC-ASUN would have to get a further NCAA rule change to allow a football-only conference for FBS. Even if the WAC loophole isn't closed, they wouldn't currently be allowed to do this.

Yeah, there are a lot of moving parts here.

(12-09-2022 09:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:29 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:15 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/16...w-yRmip-WA

Well, my prediction of a quick rule change to "Nope" out the WAC loophole is now on the clock.

I don't know why the WAC loophole hasn't already been closed.

My guess, It was never both important and urgent before.

Quote:But the WAC-ASUN would have to get a further NCAA rule change to allow a football-only conference for FBS. Even if the WAC loophole isn't closed, they wouldn't currently be allowed to do this.

Yeah, there are a lot of moving parts here.

The WAC started talking about using this loophole as soon as they announced they were re-starting their football league almost two years ago. I do agree that nobody was aware of the existence of the loophole before that. But they've still had about 23 months to close the loophole.

(12-09-2022 09:38 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:29 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:15 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/16...w-yRmip-WA

Well, my prediction of a quick rule change to "Nope" out the WAC loophole is now on the clock.

I don't know why the WAC loophole hasn't already been closed.

My guess, It was never both important and urgent before.

Quote:But the WAC-ASUN would have to get a further NCAA rule change to allow a football-only conference for FBS. Even if the WAC loophole isn't closed, they wouldn't currently be allowed to do this.

Yeah, there are a lot of moving parts here.

The WAC started talking about using this loophole as soon as they announced they were re-starting their football league almost two years ago. I do agree that nobody was aware of the existence of the loophole before that. But they've still had about 23 months to close the loophole.

There was a vague awareness of the loophole.

And the WAC and ASUN that started talking about this have lost (counting on fingers, SHSU, Lamar, New Mexico State from the WAC, Jacksonville State and Liberty from the ASUN) a bunch of the members that they kicked off this Zany Scheme with. Actually I think this all started with the ASUN commish coming up with a Zany Scheme to expand to 20 and split into 2 conferences using the continuity rule that isn't on the books anymore.

Since then, the ASUN and the WAC have each pretty much failed to put together an FCS league without leaning on each other like two exhausted boxers in the 11th round of a fight.

(12-09-2022 09:38 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:29 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:15 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/16...w-yRmip-WA

Well, my prediction of a quick rule change to "Nope" out the WAC loophole is now on the clock.

I don't know why the WAC loophole hasn't already been closed.

My guess, It was never both important and urgent before.

Quote:But the WAC-ASUN would have to get a further NCAA rule change to allow a football-only conference for FBS. Even if the WAC loophole isn't closed, they wouldn't currently be allowed to do this.

Yeah, there are a lot of moving parts here.

The WAC started talking about using this loophole as soon as they announced they were re-starting their football league almost two years ago. I do agree that nobody was aware of the existence of the loophole before that. But they've still had about 23 months to close the loophole.

The loophole is this. It is still on the board. The WAC can still invite new members to join the conference since they are still consider an FBS conference that can still invite. It have been talked about since they lost all the members. With Gonzaga and maybe St. Mary's might be going to the Big 12? You might see the four western most schools of Utah Valley, Seattle, Grand Canyon and California Baptist to WCC. UTA might decided to restart football, and be part of the new WAC in football. I think they have been talking to Central Oklahoma from D2 to join, and all of a sudden? They got money to expand their stadium to 12,000 with plans to go to 20,000. With the CFP expanding? We might see it to expand even more like it is with FCS to a 22 team field.

(12-09-2022 09:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:29 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:15 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/16...w-yRmip-WA

Well, my prediction of a quick rule change to "Nope" out the WAC loophole is now on the clock.

I don't know why the WAC loophole hasn't already been closed.

My guess, It was never both important and urgent before.

Quote:But the WAC-ASUN would have to get a further NCAA rule change to allow a football-only conference for FBS. Even if the WAC loophole isn't closed, they wouldn't currently be allowed to do this.

Yeah, there are a lot of moving parts here.

Re your last point- The WAC would need to qualify on its own with full time members, then accept the others as football only members.

(12-09-2022 09:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:29 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:15 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/16...w-yRmip-WA

Well, my prediction of a quick rule change to "Nope" out the WAC loophole is now on the clock.

I don't know why the WAC loophole hasn't already been closed.

But the WAC-ASUN would have to get a further NCAA rule change to allow a football-only conference for FBS. Even if the WAC loophole isn't closed, they wouldn't currently be allowed to do this.

Yes, the procedure is for an FCS football-only conference and when eight schools are ready to apply to move up, the WAC invites the schools that aren't WAC members to allow them to apply.

Assuming the eight cover the FBS conference sports requirements, they would then qualify as an FBS conference.

The Texas schools should just join the ASUN as all sports, ASUN would then have 8 fbs all sports schools w/ UTRGV. UTU and SUU could be fbs football only members. Eventually the FBS ASUN would split from the basketball schools, similar to their old plan. Of course CUSA can blow this up if they want.

(12-10-2022 04:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  The Texas schools should just join the ASUN as all sports, ASUN would then have 8 fbs all sports schools w/ UTRGV. UTU and SUU could be fbs football only members. Eventually the FBS ASUN would split from the basketball schools, similar to their old plan. Of course CUSA can blow this up if they want.

You can't move up to FBS on the back of an ASUN invite ... it has to be a current or former FBS conference.

(12-10-2022 05:44 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 04:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  The Texas schools should just join the ASUN as all sports, ASUN would then have 8 fbs all sports schools w/ UTRGV. UTU and SUU could be fbs football only members. Eventually the FBS ASUN would split from the basketball schools, similar to their old plan. Of course CUSA can blow this up if they want.

You can't move up to FBS on the back of an ASUN invite ... it has to be a current or former FBS conference.

They said they are already not going to be the WAC and it's football only thus the WAC fbs/all sports will not be the conference moving up. So instead of trying to make 2 new rules fbs fb only, and 11th fbs conf. they'd at least have an all sports, so the only thing would be the 11th conf. part.

(12-10-2022 04:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  The Texas schools should just join the ASUN as all sports, ASUN would then have 8 fbs all sports schools w/ UTRGV. UTU and SUU could be fbs football only members. Eventually the FBS ASUN would split from the basketball schools, similar to their old plan. Of course CUSA can blow this up if they want.

CUSA will need help in blowing this up. There are 2 Utah schools right in the middle of the MWC footprint.

(04-03-2021 08:31 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  The WAC seems to be expanding at present. Given the timing, in 10 years, who knows what might happen?

I seriously hope no. While I do think that SFA would have been the better add over SHSU, what's done is done for now. I do hope that C-USA does look at EKU again after WKU inevitably decides to flee the coop, and maybe SFA might be a good addition around that time. Would give C-USA a genuine rivalry for sure. I go back and forth on UNA. I know that Jax State wants them to move up, but I wonder if it's because they think that JSU won't have an in-state rival to play them when they finally upgrade. I firmly believe that Troy will renew its rivalry series with Jax State again. South (S. Ala) might want to play Jax State as well. Does Jax State really want to play a third team from the state potentially??? Also, when JSU finally upgrades, it will give the state of Alabama six FBS teams. Can the state really support a seventh??? That's what I keep coming back to.

Kennesaw State looks like a solid add, but I wonder how much of the campus actually keeps up with the Kennesaw Owls If the campus can give its teams solid support, then mark Kennesaw as one of the few bright moves C-USA has made over the years-#2 in size for the state of Georgia is not bad at all.

I’d prefer the WAC stick around as an FCS alternative to the Big Sky.