Hard to think of the last loss that was this bad. Really gutless performance all around.

Toledo needs bigs bad

(03-17-2021 08:01 PM)rockytop Wrote:  TK has the second best record in the MAC over the last several years. We just won the MAC regular season. We are losing because Richmond has better players. You really can’t fault TK for this loss, or the one against Ohio. You can’t compete when your five is 6-7, and your 4 is 6-6. He got the most he could from this group.

That is just laughable. TK continues to fail in the MAC tournament and NIT his entire tenure as a head coach. His 7 man rotations all season result in a tired, soft team come postseason.

Those regular season title banners inside Savage really don’t inspire anyone anymore...

Regarding Ryan Rollins excellent first half, and poor second half, I think the couple days of rest gave him enough of a boost to have a first half like he did. But the second half showed that fatigue we see with many freshman who have never played a season this long.

(03-17-2021 08:08 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:01 PM)rockytop Wrote:  TK has the second best record in the MAC over the last several years. We just won the MAC regular season. We are losing because Richmond has better players. You really can’t fault TK for this loss, or the one against Ohio. You can’t compete when your five is 6-7, and your 4 is 6-6. He got the most he could from this group.

That is just laughable. TK continues to fail in the MAC tournament and NIT his entire tenure as a head coach. His 7 man rotations all season result in a tired, soft team come postseason.

Those regular season title banners inside Savage really don’t inspire anyone anymore...

Yeah, no more “passes” for these coaches. We reward simply having a winning season with contract extensions. When did we become EMU? All of the sudden, we’re grateful for a 4-2 football season & a MAC regular season ball championship that just got exposed? Football chokes, men’s basketball chokes, women’s basketball is a shell of what it was...now let’s talk baseball, softball, volleyball, swimming & diving...if I were part of the UT athletic department I’d be embarrassed.

(03-17-2021 08:15 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:08 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:01 PM)rockytop Wrote:  TK has the second best record in the MAC over the last several years. We just won the MAC regular season. We are losing because Richmond has better players. You really can’t fault TK for this loss, or the one against Ohio. You can’t compete when your five is 6-7, and your 4 is 6-6. He got the most he could from this group.

That is just laughable. TK continues to fail in the MAC tournament and NIT his entire tenure as a head coach. His 7 man rotations all season result in a tired, soft team come postseason.

Those regular season title banners inside Savage really don’t inspire anyone anymore...

Yeah, no more “passes” for these coaches. We reward simply having a winning season with contract extensions. When did we become EMU? All of the sudden, we’re grateful for a 4-2 football season & a MAC regular season ball championship that just got exposed? Football chokes, men’s basketball chokes, women’s basketball is a shell of what it was...now let’s talk baseball, softball, volleyball, swimming & diving...if I were part of the UT athletic department I’d be embarrassed.

Certainly wasn’t a lot of passing tonight...

No energy at the end of the season, Edu and Hill not being in the rotation hurt badly. Team had no legs in the end when those shots that were going for most of the season did not happen at the end. Too bad and now what going into next season. Got to get a 6-8 250 brusier, if not a bust again.

At least football can go to a bowl game even though they don't win the MAC title. Want to see UT get wit of Coach K, stop going to the games, bring down the attendance to 2000/game, quit donating money to athletics. Hard thing to do because of love for the university.

(03-17-2021 08:21 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  No energy at the end of the season, Edu and Hill not being in the rotation hurt badly. Team had no legs in the end when those shots that were going for most of the season did not happen at the end. Too bad and now what going into next season. Got to get a 6-8 250 brusier, if not a bust again.

At least football can go to a bowl game even though they don't win the MAC title. Want to see UT get wit of Coach K, stop going to the games, bring down the attendance to 2000/game, quit donating money to athletics. Hard thing to do because of love for the university.

Komagum was given a scholarship. Did he even get on the floor tonight? When it was painfully obvious that Shumate & Acunzo were physically undersized & overmatched by not 1, but TWO back-up centers for Richmond? TK’s recruiting is very hit-or-miss, and when he misses, he misses big. The result, season after season, is a bench that is far too short for today’s game.

This is why we can’t have nice things... But hey we got a brand new banner to hang in Savage... Big deal !!!
It would not surprise me to see Rollins transfer out, he deserves better...

(03-17-2021 08:29 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  This is why we can’t have nice things... But hey we got a brand new banner to hang in Savage... Big deal !!!
It would not surprise me to see Rollins transfer out, he deserves better...

Don’t feed into the negative energy!! Rockets had a great year just got tired out at the end, I really think rollins is the kid that gets us over the hump

(03-17-2021 08:34 PM)Macfan123 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:29 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  This is why we can’t have nice things... But hey we got a brand new banner to hang in Savage... Big deal !!!
It would not surprise me to see Rollins transfer out, he deserves better...

Don’t feed into the negative energy!! Rockets had a great year just got tired out at the end, I really think rollins is the kid that gets us over the hump

We just got manhandled by a Richmond team playing without 2 double-digit scorers...a Richmond team that even WITH those players had lost 3 straight coming into the NIT...a Richmond team that regularly got beat up in the paint during the season but all of the sudden became the bullies in the paint against us. A Richmond team that saw its own bench shortened tonight but got more from their bench than we did from ours.

Let’s be honest, with as weak as the MAC has become, it’s pretty easy for a decent team to get to double-digit wins. It’s been this type of false accolades that let people believe the UT athletic programs are in better shape than they are. If we truly are no longer interested in every so often sneaking into the top 25 in football or basketball, then drop down to FCS for football and Division 2 for basketball. Because for a school like Toledo, you only get so many opportunities to out-punch the big boys on national TV.

I believe it's called the NET basketball ratings. The last time I looked The MAC was rated 11th in the nation with the A-10 somewhere around 8 or 9.

(03-17-2021 08:47 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:34 PM)Macfan123 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:29 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  This is why we can’t have nice things... But hey we got a brand new banner to hang in Savage... Big deal !!!
It would not surprise me to see Rollins transfer out, he deserves better...

Don’t feed into the negative energy!! Rockets had a great year just got tired out at the end, I really think rollins is the kid that gets us over the hump

We just got manhandled by a Richmond team playing without 2 double-digit scorers...a Richmond team that even WITH those players had lost 3 straight coming into the NIT...a Richmond team that regularly got beat up in the paint during the season but all of the sudden became the bullies in the paint against us. A Richmond team that saw its own bench shortened tonight but got more from their bench than we did from ours.

Let’s be honest, with as weak as the MAC has become, it’s pretty easy for a decent team to get to double-digit wins. It’s been this type of false accolades that let people believe the UT athletic programs are in better shape than they are. If we truly are no longer interested in every so often sneaking into the top 25 in football or basketball, then drop down to FCS for football and Division 2 for basketball. Because for a school like Toledo, you only get so many opportunities to out-punch the big boys on national TV.

I agree, there have been multiple times for K’s teams to shine on a national stage... But a false sense of superior athletic and coaching ability has brought this program down to earth, year after year... The media has been feeding this team’s ego all season and we as fans somewhat have been playing into it...

How many years does TK have left on his contract?

My issue continues to be that we get out coached more than not. Watching the game tonight, you could see the momentum swing and we have no answers.

As for having no answer for a lack of bigs, what's new? Luke, Nathan and Tre'von were not enough. TK has seldom had or developed depth in the middle! A single big is not a program pillar. If we don't have what we need on the roster, that is a head coach issue.

I guess being the ONLY game on National TV is only good if you show up. That made the MAC look terrible!!!

I'm leaning towards the watch out for Rollins leaving camp. Sure hope not. Come on TK.

WE DESERVE BETTER AS A FAN BASE!!!!!

(03-17-2021 08:01 PM)rockytop Wrote:  TK has the second best record in the MAC over the last several years. We just won the MAC regular season. We are losing because Richmond has better players. You really can’t fault TK for this loss, or the one against Ohio. You can’t compete when your five is 6-7, and your 4 is 6-6. He got the most he could from this group.

You make some very reasonable points, but Richmond was without two its best players.

(03-17-2021 09:21 PM)rocket 51 Wrote:  My issue continues to be that we get out coached more than not. Watching the game tonight, you could see the momentum swing and we have no answers.

As for having no answer for a lack of bigs, what's new? Luke, Nathan and Tre'von were not enough. TK has seldom had or developed depth in the middle! A single big is not a program pillar. If we don't have what we need on the roster, that is a head coach issue.

I guess being the ONLY game on National TV is only good if you show up. That made the MAC look terrible!!!

I'm leaning towards the watch out for Rollins leaving camp. Sure hope not. Come on TK.

WE DESERVE BETTER AS A FAN BASE!!!!!

Certainly out coached tonight. Could you imagine TK pulling out a win without 2 starters? Please.

Let’s keep dribbling into the trap at the top of the key for our offense. Let’s watch Richmond go on a 10-0 run before we finally call a timeout. Let’s keep telling Shumate to try to play defense against 2 guys who were 2-3 inches taller and more physical; no need to throw Komagum out there to try something different for a few possessions. I’d love to see a stat on how many second half leads of 8 or more points the Rockets have given up under TK. The Emporer has no clothes. Shame on us if we foolishly believe in the fraud anymore.

I think I'll wade in here.

I believe the players have almost to a person exceeded what most thought capable for their given experience. That goes to coaching. One close-up late in the first half showed Shumate was gassed. Gassed like I hadn't seen. He is undersized when playing Richmond or OU and he's on a thin team. Several of them appeared gassed.

I said early in season and still believe, Coach K needs to risk a few losses early in order to develop some depth. As was, he didn't even need to risk losses because the lead 7 gave him point margins to work with. He also needs to work on his end game. I'm thinking a summer project if I can find a useful measure of point swing.

(03-17-2021 09:27 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  I think I'll wade in here.

I believe the players have almost to a person exceeded what most thought capable for their given experience. That goes to coaching. One close-up late in the first half showed Shumate was gassed. Gassed like I hadn't seen. He is undersized when playing Richmond or OU and he's on a thin team. Several of them appeared gassed.

I said early in season and still believe, Coach K needs to risk a few losses early in order to develop some depth. As was, he didn't even need to risk losses because the lead 7 gave him point margins to work with. He also needs to work on his end game. I'm thinking a summer project if I can find a useful measure of point swing.

Richmond, due to their injury troubles, played 8 guys (really only 7 though). We played...8 guys (really only 7 though). Both teams had to play 40 minutes. MYbe we ate too much bbq yesterday. The differences were that 1) Richmond played tough enough early on that they believed they could win & then picked up the intensity while the Rockets a la Muncie bolted to an early lead, then got sloppy, then lost confidence and 2) what was left of Richmond’s bench (keeping in mind 2 reserves needed to start) out scored our bench 13-6...including one guy who got 10 points in 13 minutes, all in the paint.

(03-17-2021 08:15 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:08 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:01 PM)rockytop Wrote:  TK has the second best record in the MAC over the last several years. We just won the MAC regular season. We are losing because Richmond has better players. You really can’t fault TK for this loss, or the one against Ohio. You can’t compete when your five is 6-7, and your 4 is 6-6. He got the most he could from this group.

That is just laughable. TK continues to fail in the MAC tournament and NIT his entire tenure as a head coach. His 7 man rotations all season result in a tired, soft team come postseason.

Those regular season title banners inside Savage really don’t inspire anyone anymore...

Yeah, no more “passes” for these coaches. We reward simply having a winning season with contract extensions. When did we become EMU? All of the sudden, we’re grateful for a 4-2 football season & a MAC regular season ball championship that just got exposed? Football chokes, men’s basketball chokes, women’s basketball is a shell of what it was...now let’s talk baseball, softball, volleyball, swimming & diving...if I were part of the UT athletic department I’d be embarrassed.

You’re not EMU. We’ve been to the big dance since 8-tracks went out of style.