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(03-02-2021 04:07 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  [Image: EvfMjs-XIAELS1d?format=png&name=900x900]

Dr Seuss isn't racisss when a black man reads it apparently.
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Quote:Washington Post correspondent Philip Bump strongly backed the move to stop the publishing of six Dr. Seuss books in a column published Tuesday, arguing that the scrubbing of the books has nothing at all to do with “cancel culture,” and if you think it does, that’s because your culture is the problem.

“If curtailing racist imagery in Dr. Seuss is ‘cancel culture,’ what, exactly, is your culture?” questioned Bump.



Dr. Seuss Enterprises announced Tuesday that they will stop selling six titles, citing racist and insensitive imagery. The announcement came on the heels of an anti-Dr. Seuss campaign in Virginia and President Joe Biden’s pointed decision to leave out the prominent American author in his presidential proclamation for Read Across America Day, which is celebrated on Dr. Seuss’s birthday.
Bump argued that Dr. Seuss can’t be “canceled” because he’s already dead, adding that the “vast majority” of his books are still in circulation, anyway.

“No one is ‘canceling’ Dr. Seuss, a phrasing by now so detached from reality that it doesn’t even make any sense,” wrote Washington Post correspondent. “The author, himself, is dead for one thing, which is about as canceled as a person can get. The vast, vast majority of his books, the ones without racist images or references, will still be sold.”

“If Dr. Seuss’s profile wanes a bit as a result of the attention being paid to his drawings — the only form of ‘canceling’ at play here — to whom is harm being done?” he asked.

The answer, according to Bump, is the people with the messed up culture, those who are “afraid” of progress, those who value “traditionalism” — and you guessed it, he’s talking about Trump supporters:

The answer, of course, is people who perceive criticism of the casual racism of the past as criticism of their own behavior or as a reminder of how the world around them is changing. It’s not that some Dr. Seuss books are being taken out of rotation. It’s that Seuss is a benchmark for a particular sort of American upbringing. Calling out Seuss’s — infrequent! — racist imagery is therefore an attack on that view of American identity.

It’s a short hop from here to rhetoric demanding that we make America great again. This, as I’ve written before, was always the value that Donald Trump offered to his supporters: unwinding the clock to a point in which everything was stable and unchanging and systems worked explicitly, if often unwittingly, to the advantage of White men in particular. Challenging Seuss drawings exposes the racism that usually undergirded those advantages.

This has been an undercurrent to our political conversation for decades. It used to be that “political correctness” was the poison undermining the United States, a phrasing that emerged in response to a limited effort to change how things were described but that eventually served as a shorthand for “attacks on traditional culture.”

While bashing conservative Americans as backward rubes who hate change, Bump offered one sentence acknowledging that speech-policing and cancel culture can go too far, writing that some “efforts to police language or actions that, intentionally or not, risk chilling people’s willingness to speak frankly.”

Bump did not provide any examples of this, nor did he acknowledge that assessing past works by current social standards is asinine, or that if we were to actually do this with all past works, we’d have very little left to read or view.

Instead, he continued to slam conservatives.

“[U]ntil a few weeks ago, my son didn’t know this book existed. So where’s the harm in his not seeing its images?” he argued. “Why would anyone think it is less problematic for a kid to be exposed to racist caricatures of African (or, at a different point in the book, Asian) people than for him not to be?”

“This isn’t some toxic ‘cancel culture.’ If it were, what would that say about the culture that you’re defending?”

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So control what YOUR son sees yourself, not what MY son sees. Commie b astards.
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Oh good, Dr Seuss just released a new book today.

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My understanding is that the owners of his works ( His family) were mostly in favor of this move.
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It's not cancel culture when you scrap your own books.
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Does anyone have or remember the books they're banning? Are they really that bad? Or is it just b/c there's a black character, it means it's racist?
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(03-03-2021 02:20 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It's not cancel culture when you scrap your own books.

He's dead.
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I heard that 9 of the Dr Seuss books are on the NYT best seller list as of yesterday.
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(03-03-2021 02:45 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:20 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It's not cancel culture when you scrap your own books.

He's dead.

For 30 years
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(03-03-2021 02:51 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  I heard that 9 of the Dr Seuss books are on the NYT best seller list as of yesterday.

They're selling them on EBay for bazillions of dollars
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(03-03-2021 02:52 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:45 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:20 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It's not cancel culture when you scrap your own books.

He's dead.

For 30 years

Yep. And here's another instance where the left is eating their own...


Political views
Geisel was a liberal Democrat and a supporter of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and the New Deal. His early political cartoons show a passionate opposition to fascism, and he urged action against it both before and after the United States entered World War II. His cartoons portrayed the fear of communism as overstated, finding greater threats in the House Un-American Activities Committee and those who threatened to cut the United States' "life line"46] to Stalin and the USSR, whom he once depicted as a porter carrying "our war load".

Geisel supported the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. On the issue of the Japanese, he is quoted as saying:

But right now, when the Japs are planting their hatchets in our skulls, it seems like a hell of a time for us to smile and warble: "Brothers!" It is a rather flabby battle cry. If we want to win, we've got to kill Japs, whether it depresses John Haynes Holmes or not. We can get palsy-walsy afterward with those that are left.

After the war, Geisel overcame his feelings of animosity and changed, using his book Horton Hears a Who! (1954) as an allegory for the American post-war occupation of Japan, as well as dedicating the book to a Japanese friend, though Ron Lamothe noted in an interview that even that book has a sense of "American chauvinism".
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(03-03-2021 02:43 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Does anyone have or remember the books they're banning? Are they really that bad? Or is it just b/c there's a black character, it means it's racist?

My understanding was that it is a handful of books that don't really sell very well but the family didn't want those books to be part of the catalog anymore because it held some views that are no longer acceptable.

Obviously the family isn't stupid. If it was one of their best sellers they wouldn't be doing it.
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(03-03-2021 03:00 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:43 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Does anyone have or remember the books they're banning? Are they really that bad? Or is it just b/c there's a black character, it means it's racist?

My understanding was that it is a handful of books that don't really sell very well but the family didn't want those books to be part of the catalog anymore because it held some views that are no longer acceptable.
What views? Who considers them unacceptable other then 'the family'? I'm just wondering. I'm not as familiar w/ the ones chosen.
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(03-02-2021 08:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://nypost.com/2021/03/02/six-dr-seu...ign=842741

So now you can't do Dr. Seuss or Axel Foley!

They will basically cancel all existence before 1990. And maybe most of the 90s too!

"The company that publishes Dr. Seuss’ children’s books said it will stop selling six of his titles because they contain racist and insensitive images....

President Biden avoided mentioning Dr. Seuss in his presidential proclamation for Read Across America Day, which is celebrated on the author’s birthday.

A Virginia school district also ordered its teachers to avoid linking Read Across America Day with Seuss because research has shown “strong racial undertones” in many of his books...."
Anything up thru about late 2000s isn't safe, & a lot in the 2010s as well IMO. Anything w/ a straight white male in the lead, or a damsel in distress, to name a couple, is on the chopping block, at minimum.
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(03-03-2021 03:07 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 03:00 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:43 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Does anyone have or remember the books they're banning? Are they really that bad? Or is it just b/c there's a black character, it means it's racist?

My understanding was that it is a handful of books that don't really sell very well but the family didn't want those books to be part of the catalog anymore because it held some views that are no longer acceptable.
What views? Who considers them unacceptable other then 'the family'? I'm just wondering. I'm not as familiar w/ the ones chosen.

I don't know much about the story either but from what I heard, the family consulted with some educators about the entire catalog and used that information to go ahead and put some of those books out of print.

More than likely, the publishers came to them to negotiate a new contract and that's what they came up with.

There was some talk that one step daughter had hoped for a disclaimer rather than removing the books from the catalog but that didn't happen.
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(03-03-2021 02:45 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:20 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It's not cancel culture when you scrap your own books.

He's dead.

The company that publishes the books decided that there were books that they didn't want to publish anymore. Nothing wrong with that. It would be like you taking down questionable party pics on your social media from 1998. Relics from a different era.
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Why so much Blue on the boards lately?

(03-03-2021 03:16 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:45 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:20 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It's not cancel culture when you scrap your own books.

He's dead.

The company that publishes the books decided that there were books that they didn't want to publish anymore. Nothing wrong with that. It would be like you taking down questionable party pics on your social media from 1998. Relics from a different era.

Now why would you think the company decided that? What were their main reasons? Who decides what should be 'relics?'
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(03-03-2021 03:20 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Why so much Blue on the boards lately?

(03-03-2021 03:16 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:45 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 02:20 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It's not cancel culture when you scrap your own books.

He's dead.

The company that publishes the books decided that there were books that they didn't want to publish anymore. Nothing wrong with that. It would be like you taking down questionable party pics on your social media from 1998. Relics from a different era.

Now why would you think the company decided that? What were their main reasons?


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