(08-18-2026 11:52 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 08:42 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I lived through it. I was never once told that getting the vaccine was ANY guarantee against not getting it or spreading it.

And there was no government mandate for the public to get the shot. While yes, the government tried to mandate it for certain government workers and tried to extend that to others receiving government payments, the courts eventually stopped that.

Private companies can pretty much dictate what they want for their employees here.

From an 1000 ft view, why does one get vaccinated? According to the CDC, individuals get vaccinated for Hepatitis B to "PREVENT infection", vaccinations for HPV "KEEPS YOU FROM BEING INFECTED". Vaccines "protect yourself and AVOID SPREADING preventable diseases"
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines-adults/reasons/index.html

Were you told explicitly??? Probably not. Was it strongly implied? Absolutely.

Nothing to add... no need to add... but worth repeating.

Fauci: "when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bull****, and they get vaccinated."

The Dems cannot be allowed to gaslight and obfuscate. Those responsible for the suffering and damage they caused must be held accountable to grant justice and to help prevent future catastrophe policies.

(08-18-2026 01:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Fauci: "when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bull****, and they get vaccinated."

The Dems cannot be allowed to gaslight and obfuscate. Those responsible for the suffering and damage they caused must be held accountable to grant justice and to help prevent future catastrophe policies.

Suffering and damage...from recommending/taking a vaccine that improved outcomes and saved lives?

Sure, Jan.

Did they oversell it, of course...but to what suffering and damage?

Curious your take on trump/rfkjr creating an environment muddying the waters on decades of tried and true practices protecting kids and the country.

(08-18-2026 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 01:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Fauci: "when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bull****, and they get vaccinated."

The Dems cannot be allowed to gaslight and obfuscate. Those responsible for the suffering and damage they caused must be held accountable to grant justice and to help prevent future catastrophe policies.

Suffering and damage...from recommending/taking a vaccine that improved outcomes and saved lives?

Sure, Jan.

Did they oversell it, of course...but to what suffering and damage?

Curious your take on trump/rfkjr creating an environment muddying the waters on decades of tried and true practices protecting kids and the country.

mental anguish over making people put their ability to earn a paycheck above their physical health.

psychological effects of forcing families to know their loved ones were dying alone for no good reason.

an entire generation of kids that fell behind academically.

brainwashing virtually the entirety of the left into cutting ties with friends and family that dared questions "settled science"

just wait about 15 years and see what happens to an entire generation of kids that were forced to take an experimental vaccine. that was a mighty big risk for relatively little return.

(08-18-2026 03:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 01:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Fauci: "when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bull****, and they get vaccinated."

The Dems cannot be allowed to gaslight and obfuscate. Those responsible for the suffering and damage they caused must be held accountable to grant justice and to help prevent future catastrophe policies.

Suffering and damage...from recommending/taking a vaccine that improved outcomes and saved lives?

Sure, Jan.

Did they oversell it, of course...but to what suffering and damage?

Curious your take on trump/rfkjr creating an environment muddying the waters on decades of tried and true practices protecting kids and the country.

mental anguish over making people put their ability to earn a paycheck above their physical health.

psychological effects of forcing families to know their loved ones were dying alone for no good reason.

an entire generation of kids that fell behind academically.

brainwashing virtually the entirety of the left into cutting ties with friends and family that dared questions "settled science"

just wait about 15 years and see what happens to an entire generation of kids that were forced to take an experimental vaccine. that was a mighty big risk for relatively little return.

Occasionally, it is necessary to remind those attempting to gaslight us about the disastrous CV-19 policies (including vaccine de facto mandates) and to shift blame from responsible parties.

The "experts" and authorities who were overwhelmingly Dems:

1. Originally advised against masks but later reversed.

2. Dismissed the Wahun lab origin possibility and labeled people racist for holding out the possibility.

3. Ignored evidence masks do not work in a community setting and promoted useless and harmful cloth masks (if people thought it would materially help).

4. Did not sufficiently promote the best masks (N95’s)and how to properly wear and dispose of masks.

5. supported taping playgrounds, removing BB goals, prohibiting going to beach, etc

6. Released into the wild college students (a group not at risk for serious illness or death) where they would be free to infect family members - including the elderly.

7. Advocated banning outdoor group activities unless it was for a favored cause (eg BLM protests and riots). People pointing out the inconsistency (ie, either CV-19 is an existential threat to all population or all outside gatherings should have been allowed) were tarred racist.

8. Considered in person liquor stores essential but not churches.

9. Ignored the science of natural immunity.

10. Told people the virus spreads on surfaces

11. Exaggerated the CV-19 threat to healthy people under the age of 65 or so. A study “found that more than one-third of Americans overestimate by as much as a factor of ten the probability a person with COVID-19 will require hospitalization”. https://catalyst.independent.org/2021/03...alization/ The groups at greatest risk was known by at least the Summer of 2020.

12. Exaggerated the CV-19 threat of death. A study found: "the overall 30-day case fatality rate was just 0.31 percent". When including cases not detected, the estimated fatality rate was 0.16 percent. "The group in most danger was the extremely old. hose aged 85 and above had a CFR of 7.88 percent, with nursing home residents even higher at 7.92 percent." Because this group makes up about 30% of deaths, the risk to the remaining population was even lower than 0.31 percent. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4125000474

13. Stated the vaccines would prevent around 95% of infections and stop most transmissions. People disagreeing were called grand ma killers.

14. Did not permit hospital and nursing home visits. It meant grand ma may have died alone with all that implies.

15. Downplayed therapeutics treatments

16. Forced compliance with nonsensical policies like masking to a table and then unmasking to eat.

17. Required business lockdowns which resulted in enormous federal government debt that will limit government services in the future as debt payments crowd out other expenditures , inflation lessening people's real standard of living, and lost opportunity for employee advancement.

18. Closed in person public schools while private schools were open. The ramifications include inter generational permanent learning loss - particularly for poor kids without parents able to afford better options.

19. Insisted on social distancing without scientific evidence of effectiveness. https://www.wsj.com/articles/anthony-fau...50?mod=mhp At great expense, the inane policy forced modifications by firms, schools, governments, etc and needlessly inconvenienced people (eg, waiting in the rain for one’s turn into the grocery store).

20. Exaggerated the prevalence and impact of "Long Covid".

21. Endorsed requiring citizens to "show their papers" like people living in authoritative counties like China.

22. Conjured an enemy's list for parents at school board meetings and reported them to the FBI.

23. Forced masking on airlines without any evidence of efficacy (major airlines use very frequent recirculated air). When the ban was lifted by a judge, there was no notable increase in CV-19 transmission.

24. Forced healthy children two years and older at virtually no risk to wear masks which harmed speech development and risked health (kids tend to get everything dirty - including masks)

25. Refusal to vigorously promote improving comorbidities (eg, controllable factors like obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc) strongly correlated with CV-19 deaths and serious illness.

26. Forced traveling American citizens to submit “contact” reports to the authorities long after the usefulness of contact tracing was past.

27. Possibly delayed vaccine until after 2020 election.

28. Cancelled people insisting on following the science and on considering cost/benefit.

29. Counted people dying of CV-19 when the primary cause was something else. The effect was artificially increasing CV-19 deaths.

31. Cancelled and delayed in person preventive care visits (eg, monitoring blood pressure and blood sugar for diabetes) and medical procedures (e.g., TAVR). The cancellations and delays accelerated medical condition deteriorations - especially among the elderly - resulting in permanently poorer health and increased risk of dying.

32. Released criminals who later committed further crimes. For example, as of May 2026 half the inmates released by former NC Gov. Roy Cooper during Covid have been rearrested

33. Delayed warning about myocarditis risks (particularly among young men) until late June 2021 despite credible alerts (eg, from Israel) as early as February 2021. It means healthy young people at little risk of death or serious illness were tacitly forced to take a drug with known but suppressed serious risk.

34. Refused to allow at least some retired medical personnel (e.g., doctors, nurses, NP's and PA's) to volunteer for CV-19 care duties.

35. Failed to adequately support polices that might actually help mitigate CV-19 and other respiratory viruses like building ventilation.

Hold those accountable for their misdeeds. Never again.

(08-17-2026 01:45 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Simple question:

Do you fellas on the right think I'm an idiot to get an annual flu shot?

Now let the hyenas of this board (the hard-assed right-wingers) eviscerate the gangly and helpless wildebeest (Bill Dazzle) in an African plains predator vs. prey bloodbath.

Idiot?

Well, no. Would take a better effort to achieve "idiot status" like so many around here.

Do what you think is best. I've been knock-out sick twice in my life. One food poisoning was from the restaurant I working in at the time. Strange thing was no one else, staff, Chefs, guests had anything similar. Not one complaint. I was completely off my feet for nearly a week.
Other was the flu, around 17 YO.

Knocked both of them out with time, fluids and mass dosing with Vit-C. Dad was into this schit pretty deep so we had supplements all over.

Havent been so much as sniffle sick since around 1987 or so.

We drank from a hose, ate with our fingers, spent countless hours in no doubt disgusting swimming pools for practice, ate day old pizza's left out overnight in our ridiculously disgusting apartments, camping in tiny tents, dining out at Dead Shows and whatever else you could summon up.

I guess what doesn't kill ya, will only make you stronger. Truth in those words Kemosabe.

Only thing I "dose" on these days is crappy beer and the occasional bourbon on the deck overlooking the west forty.

All said, haven't been sick in 40+ years.

Take the jab at your own risk, I guess.

(08-18-2026 04:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-17-2026 01:45 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Simple question:

Do you fellas on the right think I'm an idiot to get an annual flu shot?

Now let the hyenas of this board (the hard-assed right-wingers) eviscerate the gangly and helpless wildebeest (Bill Dazzle) in an African plains predator vs. prey bloodbath.

Idiot?

Well, no. Would take a better effort to achieve "idiot status" like so many around here.

Do what you think is best. I've been knock-out sick twice in my life. One food poisoning was from the restaurant I working in at the time. Strange thing was no one else, staff, Chefs, guests had anything similar. Not one complaint. I was completely off my feet for nearly a week.
Other was the flu, around 17 YO.

Knocked both of them out with time, fluids and mass dosing with Vit-C. Dad was into this schit pretty deep so we had supplements all over.

Havent been so much as sniffle sick since around 1987 or so.

We drank from a hose, ate with our fingers, spent countless hours in no doubt disgusting swimming pools for practice, ate day old pizza's left out overnight in our ridiculously disgusting apartments, camping in tiny tents, dining out at Dead Shows and whatever else you could summon up.

I guess what doesn't kill ya, will only make you stronger. Truth in those words Kemosabe.

Only thing I "dose" on these days is crappy beer and the occasional bourbon on the deck overlooking the west forty.

All said, haven't been sick in 40+ years.

Take the jab at your own risk, I guess.

I've gotten a flu shot just about every year for many years and, as luck would have it, was felled by the flu one of the years that I didn't. Who knows?

However, I have also felt sluggish and flu-like symptoms some times when I have gotten the shot.

When I was 18, I had made a pizza for a friend and myself. As I removed it from oven, the pie dropped and splattered face down on the kitchen floor. I looked at my buddy, he looked at me, we both nodded, I scooped up the pizza (with cheese covering the floor) and (germs be damned) we devoured it.

(08-18-2026 04:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 04:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-17-2026 01:45 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Simple question:

Do you fellas on the right think I'm an idiot to get an annual flu shot?

Now let the hyenas of this board (the hard-assed right-wingers) eviscerate the gangly and helpless wildebeest (Bill Dazzle) in an African plains predator vs. prey bloodbath.

Idiot?

Well, no. Would take a better effort to achieve "idiot status" like so many around here.

Do what you think is best. I've been knock-out sick twice in my life. One food poisoning was from the restaurant I working in at the time. Strange thing was no one else, staff, Chefs, guests had anything similar. Not one complaint. I was completely off my feet for nearly a week.
Other was the flu, around 17 YO.

Knocked both of them out with time, fluids and mass dosing with Vit-C. Dad was into this schit pretty deep so we had supplements all over.

Havent been so much as sniffle sick since around 1987 or so.

We drank from a hose, ate with our fingers, spent countless hours in no doubt disgusting swimming pools for practice, ate day old pizza's left out overnight in our ridiculously disgusting apartments, camping in tiny tents, dining out at Dead Shows and whatever else you could summon up.

I guess what doesn't kill ya, will only make you stronger. Truth in those words Kemosabe.

Only thing I "dose" on these days is crappy beer and the occasional bourbon on the deck overlooking the west forty.

All said, haven't been sick in 40+ years.

Take the jab at your own risk, I guess.

I've gotten a flu shot just about every year for many years and, as luck would have it, was felled by the flu one of the years that I didn't. Who knows?

However, I have also felt sluggish and flu-like symptoms some times when I have gotten the shot.

When I was 18, I had made a pizza for a friend and myself. As I removed it from oven, the pie dropped and splattered face down on the kitchen floor. I looked at my buddy, he looked at me, we both nodded, I scooped up the pizza (with cheese covering the floor) and (germs be damned) we devoured it.

Are you on drugs?

(08-18-2026 05:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 04:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 04:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-17-2026 01:45 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Simple question:

Do you fellas on the right think I'm an idiot to get an annual flu shot?

Now let the hyenas of this board (the hard-assed right-wingers) eviscerate the gangly and helpless wildebeest (Bill Dazzle) in an African plains predator vs. prey bloodbath.

Idiot?

Well, no. Would take a better effort to achieve "idiot status" like so many around here.

Do what you think is best. I've been knock-out sick twice in my life. One food poisoning was from the restaurant I working in at the time. Strange thing was no one else, staff, Chefs, guests had anything similar. Not one complaint. I was completely off my feet for nearly a week.
Other was the flu, around 17 YO.

Knocked both of them out with time, fluids and mass dosing with Vit-C. Dad was into this schit pretty deep so we had supplements all over.

Havent been so much as sniffle sick since around 1987 or so.

We drank from a hose, ate with our fingers, spent countless hours in no doubt disgusting swimming pools for practice, ate day old pizza's left out overnight in our ridiculously disgusting apartments, camping in tiny tents, dining out at Dead Shows and whatever else you could summon up.

I guess what doesn't kill ya, will only make you stronger. Truth in those words Kemosabe.

Only thing I "dose" on these days is crappy beer and the occasional bourbon on the deck overlooking the west forty.

All said, haven't been sick in 40+ years.

Take the jab at your own risk, I guess.

I've gotten a flu shot just about every year for many years and, as luck would have it, was felled by the flu one of the years that I didn't. Who knows?

However, I have also felt sluggish and flu-like symptoms some times when I have gotten the shot.

When I was 18, I had made a pizza for a friend and myself. As I removed it from oven, the pie dropped and splattered face down on the kitchen floor. I looked at my buddy, he looked at me, we both nodded, I scooped up the pizza (with cheese covering the floor) and (germs be damned) we devoured it.

Are you on drugs?

Eating the germ-covered pizza was ill-advised. Fortunately ... no harm done.

I never get a flu shot and I never get the flu. Odd that.

Former Senior NIAID Official Pleads Guilty to Charges Connected to Concealing Federal Records During COVID-19 Pandemic

Quote:David Morens, the longtime senior adviser to Dr. Anthony Fauci at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to one count of conspiracy to commit offenses and to defraud the United States.

Morens is facing up to five years in prison for conspiracy to commit offenses and to defraud the United States. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district judge determines sentencing after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

So...here's something, maybe some of you can hep me unnerstan...If the whole not trusting the gubmint agencies on China virus so-called 'vaccines' was just a 'conspiracy theory', then why is Fauci's No.2 guy pleading guilty...I mean, after all, all the hullabaloo about how problematic and dishonest all the COVID stuff was just a conspiracy, right?....hmmmmmmmm....

(08-18-2026 10:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Former Senior NIAID Official Pleads Guilty to Charges Connected to Concealing Federal Records During COVID-19 Pandemic

Quote:David Morens, the longtime senior adviser to Dr. Anthony Fauci at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to one count of conspiracy to commit offenses and to defraud the United States.

Morens is facing up to five years in prison for conspiracy to commit offenses and to defraud the United States. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district judge determines sentencing after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

So...here's something, maybe some of you can hep me unnerstan...If the whole not trusting the gubmint agencies on China virus so-called 'vaccines' was just a 'conspiracy theory', then why is Fauci's No.2 guy pleading guilty...I mean, after all, all the hullabaloo about how problematic and dishonest all the COVID stuff was just a conspiracy, right?....hmmmmmmmm....

Maybe Tom will comment tomorrow and explain it.

(08-18-2026 11:50 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 10:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Former Senior NIAID Official Pleads Guilty to Charges Connected to Concealing Federal Records During COVID-19 Pandemic

Quote:David Morens, the longtime senior adviser to Dr. Anthony Fauci at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to one count of conspiracy to commit offenses and to defraud the United States.

Morens is facing up to five years in prison for conspiracy to commit offenses and to defraud the United States. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district judge determines sentencing after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

So...here's something, maybe some of you can hep me unnerstan...If the whole not trusting the gubmint agencies on China virus so-called 'vaccines' was just a 'conspiracy theory', then why is Fauci's No.2 guy pleading guilty...I mean, after all, all the hullabaloo about how problematic and dishonest all the COVID stuff was just a conspiracy, right?....hmmmmmmmm....

Maybe Tom will comment tomorrow and explain it.

Yeah, he can tell us the trufpth when he c(l)ucks in tomorrow....

(08-18-2026 03:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 01:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Fauci: "when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bull****, and they get vaccinated."

The Dems cannot be allowed to gaslight and obfuscate. Those responsible for the suffering and damage they caused must be held accountable to grant justice and to help prevent future catastrophe policies.

Suffering and damage...from recommending/taking a vaccine that improved outcomes and saved lives?

Sure, Jan.

Did they oversell it, of course...but to what suffering and damage?

Curious your take on trump/rfkjr creating an environment muddying the waters on decades of tried and true practices protecting kids and the country.

mental anguish over making people put their ability to earn a paycheck above their physical health.

psychological effects of forcing families to know their loved ones were dying alone for no good reason.

an entire generation of kids that fell behind academically.

brainwashing virtually the entirety of the left into cutting ties with friends and family that dared questions "settled science"

just wait about 15 years and see what happens to an entire generation of kids that were forced to take an experimental vaccine. that was a mighty big risk for relatively little return.

You're such a drama queen...lol. And what kids were forced to take this again?

(08-18-2026 11:50 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 10:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Former Senior NIAID Official Pleads Guilty to Charges Connected to Concealing Federal Records During COVID-19 Pandemic

Quote:David Morens, the longtime senior adviser to Dr. Anthony Fauci at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to one count of conspiracy to commit offenses and to defraud the United States.

Morens is facing up to five years in prison for conspiracy to commit offenses and to defraud the United States. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district judge determines sentencing after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

So...here's something, maybe some of you can hep me unnerstan...If the whole not trusting the gubmint agencies on China virus so-called 'vaccines' was just a 'conspiracy theory', then why is Fauci's No.2 guy pleading guilty...I mean, after all, all the hullabaloo about how problematic and dishonest all the COVID stuff was just a conspiracy, right?....hmmmmmmmm....

Maybe Tom will comment tomorrow and explain it.

Hard to say...but from reading the release, it sounds like their grant got cancelled so they resorted to just becoming common thief's to get their funding back.

Quote:According to his guilty plea, Morens, Co-Conspirator 1, Co-Conspirator 2, and others conspired during the COVID-19 pandemic to defraud the United States after NIH terminated Co-Conspirator 1’s grant. NIH terminated the grant, Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence, based on allegations that COVID-19 emerged from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in Wuhan, China. NIAID awarded the grant to Company 1 and Co-Conspirator 1, who made a subaward to the WIV.

Following the termination, Morens and Co-Conspirator 2 pledged to help Co-Conspirator 1 restore the termination of the bat coronavirus grant and counter the narrative that COVID-19 leaked from a lab.

Lock him up.

(08-18-2026 03:39 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 03:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 01:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Fauci: "when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bull****, and they get vaccinated."

The Dems cannot be allowed to gaslight and obfuscate. Those responsible for the suffering and damage they caused must be held accountable to grant justice and to help prevent future catastrophe policies.

Suffering and damage...from recommending/taking a vaccine that improved outcomes and saved lives?

Sure, Jan.

Did they oversell it, of course...but to what suffering and damage?

Curious your take on trump/rfkjr creating an environment muddying the waters on decades of tried and true practices protecting kids and the country.

mental anguish over making people put their ability to earn a paycheck above their physical health.

psychological effects of forcing families to know their loved ones were dying alone for no good reason.

an entire generation of kids that fell behind academically.

brainwashing virtually the entirety of the left into cutting ties with friends and family that dared questions "settled science"

just wait about 15 years and see what happens to an entire generation of kids that were forced to take an experimental vaccine. that was a mighty big risk for relatively little return.

Occasionally, it is necessary to remind those attempting to gaslight us about the disastrous CV-19 policies (including vaccine de facto mandates) and to shift blame from responsible parties.

The "experts" and authorities who were overwhelmingly Dems:

1. Originally advised against masks but later reversed.

2. Dismissed the Wahun lab origin possibility and labeled people racist for holding out the possibility.

3. Ignored evidence masks do not work in a community setting and promoted useless and harmful cloth masks (if people thought it would materially help).

4. Did not sufficiently promote the best masks (N95’s)and how to properly wear and dispose of masks.

5. supported taping playgrounds, removing BB goals, prohibiting going to beach, etc

6. Released into the wild college students (a group not at risk for serious illness or death) where they would be free to infect family members - including the elderly.

7. Advocated banning outdoor group activities unless it was for a favored cause (eg BLM protests and riots). People pointing out the inconsistency (ie, either CV-19 is an existential threat to all population or all outside gatherings should have been allowed) were tarred racist.

8. Considered in person liquor stores essential but not churches.

9. Ignored the science of natural immunity.

10. Told people the virus spreads on surfaces

11. Exaggerated the CV-19 threat to healthy people under the age of 65 or so. A study “found that more than one-third of Americans overestimate by as much as a factor of ten the probability a person with COVID-19 will require hospitalization”. https://catalyst.independent.org/2021/03...alization/ The groups at greatest risk was known by at least the Summer of 2020.

12. Exaggerated the CV-19 threat of death. A study found: "the overall 30-day case fatality rate was just 0.31 percent". When including cases not detected, the estimated fatality rate was 0.16 percent. "The group in most danger was the extremely old. hose aged 85 and above had a CFR of 7.88 percent, with nursing home residents even higher at 7.92 percent." Because this group makes up about 30% of deaths, the risk to the remaining population was even lower than 0.31 percent. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4125000474

13. Stated the vaccines would prevent around 95% of infections and stop most transmissions. People disagreeing were called grand ma killers.

14. Did not permit hospital and nursing home visits. It meant grand ma may have died alone with all that implies.

15. Downplayed therapeutics treatments

16. Forced compliance with nonsensical policies like masking to a table and then unmasking to eat.

17. Required business lockdowns which resulted in enormous federal government debt that will limit government services in the future as debt payments crowd out other expenditures , inflation lessening people's real standard of living, and lost opportunity for employee advancement.

18. Closed in person public schools while private schools were open. The ramifications include inter generational permanent learning loss - particularly for poor kids without parents able to afford better options.

19. Insisted on social distancing without scientific evidence of effectiveness. https://www.wsj.com/articles/anthony-fau...50?mod=mhp At great expense, the inane policy forced modifications by firms, schools, governments, etc and needlessly inconvenienced people (eg, waiting in the rain for one’s turn into the grocery store).

20. Exaggerated the prevalence and impact of "Long Covid".

21. Endorsed requiring citizens to "show their papers" like people living in authoritative counties like China.

22. Conjured an enemy's list for parents at school board meetings and reported them to the FBI.

23. Forced masking on airlines without any evidence of efficacy (major airlines use very frequent recirculated air). When the ban was lifted by a judge, there was no notable increase in CV-19 transmission.

24. Forced healthy children two years and older at virtually no risk to wear masks which harmed speech development and risked health (kids tend to get everything dirty - including masks)

25. Refusal to vigorously promote improving comorbidities (eg, controllable factors like obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc) strongly correlated with CV-19 deaths and serious illness.

26. Forced traveling American citizens to submit “contact” reports to the authorities long after the usefulness of contact tracing was past.

27. Possibly delayed vaccine until after 2020 election.

28. Cancelled people insisting on following the science and on considering cost/benefit.

29. Counted people dying of CV-19 when the primary cause was something else. The effect was artificially increasing CV-19 deaths.

31. Cancelled and delayed in person preventive care visits (eg, monitoring blood pressure and blood sugar for diabetes) and medical procedures (e.g., TAVR). The cancellations and delays accelerated medical condition deteriorations - especially among the elderly - resulting in permanently poorer health and increased risk of dying.

32. Released criminals who later committed further crimes. For example, as of May 2026 half the inmates released by former NC Gov. Roy Cooper during Covid have been rearrested

33. Delayed warning about myocarditis risks (particularly among young men) until late June 2021 despite credible alerts (eg, from Israel) as early as February 2021. It means healthy young people at little risk of death or serious illness were tacitly forced to take a drug with known but suppressed serious risk.

34. Refused to allow at least some retired medical personnel (e.g., doctors, nurses, NP's and PA's) to volunteer for CV-19 care duties.

35. Failed to adequately support polices that might actually help mitigate CV-19 and other respiratory viruses like building ventilation.

Hold those accountable for their misdeeds. Never again.

C'mon Tiger.... These were just "mistakes" not calculated and pre-conceived choices to be repressive and controlling. Nobody was "forced" to take the vax, it was only highly suggested - OR ELSE!


Let bygones be bygones and let's move on from this....

(08-19-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 03:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 01:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Fauci: "when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bull****, and they get vaccinated."

The Dems cannot be allowed to gaslight and obfuscate. Those responsible for the suffering and damage they caused must be held accountable to grant justice and to help prevent future catastrophe policies.

Suffering and damage...from recommending/taking a vaccine that improved outcomes and saved lives?

Sure, Jan.

Did they oversell it, of course...but to what suffering and damage?

Curious your take on trump/rfkjr creating an environment muddying the waters on decades of tried and true practices protecting kids and the country.

mental anguish over making people put their ability to earn a paycheck above their physical health.

psychological effects of forcing families to know their loved ones were dying alone for no good reason.

an entire generation of kids that fell behind academically.

brainwashing virtually the entirety of the left into cutting ties with friends and family that dared questions "settled science"

just wait about 15 years and see what happens to an entire generation of kids that were forced to take an experimental vaccine. that was a mighty big risk for relatively little return.

You're such a drama queen...lol. And what kids were forced to take this again?

Don't pretend you didn't see the pictures and videos of liberal sheep parents proudly taking their kids to get vaccinated. I'm sure you're right though, it was the kids that volunteered to get vaccinated... None of their parents made them do it.

Quote:An experimental personalized cancer vaccine from Merck and Moderna showed positive initial results in its first-ever late-stage trial, the companies announced Wednesday, bringing them one step closer to filing for approval of the treatment option.

The mRNA-based shot in combination with Merck’s immunotherapy Keytruda met key goals in the phase three trial in more than 1,100 patients with higher-risk or advanced melanoma whose detectable cancer had been completely removed through surgery.

Merck shares climbed more than 8% in premarket trading, while Moderna’s stock soared about 100%. The size of those moves reflect the companies’ relative size entering Wednesday: Merck’s market cap was around $333 billion, while Moderna’s sat near $25 billion.

The combination regimen met the main study goal of significantly extending the time patients lived without their melanoma returning, compared with Keytruda alone. The treatment also reduced the risk of the cancer spreading to distant parts of the body. Those results build on positive phase two trial data on the same regimen earlier this year.

The phase three study will continue to assess other outcomes, including the overall survival benefit of the regimen. The drugmakers plan to present the data at an upcoming international medical meeting, but it’s unclear when they plan to submit applications for approval in the U.S.

Still, the initial data suggests that the combo could serve as a new treatment option for melanoma, which accounts for only about 1% of skin cancers but causes the large majority of deaths among them. Most recurrences of melanoma develop in the first two to three years after initial treatment and removal.

Moderna, Merck cancer vaccine shows promise in late-stage trial; Moderna stock soars 100%

(08-19-2026 07:39 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-19-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 03:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 01:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Fauci: "when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bull****, and they get vaccinated."

The Dems cannot be allowed to gaslight and obfuscate. Those responsible for the suffering and damage they caused must be held accountable to grant justice and to help prevent future catastrophe policies.

Suffering and damage...from recommending/taking a vaccine that improved outcomes and saved lives?

Sure, Jan.

Did they oversell it, of course...but to what suffering and damage?

Curious your take on trump/rfkjr creating an environment muddying the waters on decades of tried and true practices protecting kids and the country.

mental anguish over making people put their ability to earn a paycheck above their physical health.

psychological effects of forcing families to know their loved ones were dying alone for no good reason.

an entire generation of kids that fell behind academically.

brainwashing virtually the entirety of the left into cutting ties with friends and family that dared questions "settled science"

just wait about 15 years and see what happens to an entire generation of kids that were forced to take an experimental vaccine. that was a mighty big risk for relatively little return.

You're such a drama queen...lol. And what kids were forced to take this again?

Don't pretend you didn't see the pictures and videos of liberal sheep parents proudly taking their kids to get vaccinated. I'm sure you're right though, it was the kids that volunteered to get vaccinated... None of their parents made them do it.

Didn't see a one, honestly. And apologies if you were claiming it was the parents doing the forcing...naturally, based on the flow of this thread, I assumed you were talking about the government.

(08-19-2026 07:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-19-2026 07:39 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-19-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 03:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-18-2026 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Suffering and damage...from recommending/taking a vaccine that improved outcomes and saved lives?

Sure, Jan.

Did they oversell it, of course...but to what suffering and damage?

Curious your take on trump/rfkjr creating an environment muddying the waters on decades of tried and true practices protecting kids and the country.

mental anguish over making people put their ability to earn a paycheck above their physical health.

psychological effects of forcing families to know their loved ones were dying alone for no good reason.

an entire generation of kids that fell behind academically.

brainwashing virtually the entirety of the left into cutting ties with friends and family that dared questions "settled science"

just wait about 15 years and see what happens to an entire generation of kids that were forced to take an experimental vaccine. that was a mighty big risk for relatively little return.

You're such a drama queen...lol. And what kids were forced to take this again?

Don't pretend you didn't see the pictures and videos of liberal sheep parents proudly taking their kids to get vaccinated. I'm sure you're right though, it was the kids that volunteered to get vaccinated... None of their parents made them do it.

Didn't see a one, honestly. And apologies if you were claiming it was the parents doing the forcing...naturally, based on the flow of this thread, I assumed you were talking about the government.

No worries, I was more or less implying it was the parents forcing it on their children, but if I recall, a few states did require Covid19 vaccines for kids to return to in-person school ( CA, WA, IL, and some others.)