Mark of the Devil "666" is a reference to Caesar Nero. Nearly 100% of Revelations is regarding Israel at the time Jerusalem and the Temple fell circa CE 70.
(09-06-2021 11:10 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: Mark of the Devil "666" is a reference to Caesar Nero. Nearly 100% of Revelations is regarding Israel at the time Jerusalem and the Temple fell circa CE 70.
That is called preterism and its grossly unbiblical. Its a new and very popular view in recent years but it turns the text of the Bible into totally meaningless gibberish.
Israel and the temple have been destroyed multiple times, 70 AD is just one of several times it happened. Revelation and all the OT prophets actually predict the Temple and Jerusalem will NOT fully be destroyed at the 2nd coming, Jesus actually returns with the resurrected church age Saints and saves a remnant Israel (who have accepted Jesus) from the antichrist in the battle of armageddon at meggido. In 70 AD Israel was totally destroyed, Rome won and then persecuted the church for the next 300 years, burning many of them alive and feeding many to lions. Again, all of that is the complete polar opposite of what Revelation and Christ said would happen at His return.
Virtually none of the events of Revelation (no "s") actually took place in 70 AD. If they had half the earth would have died in 70 AD in a world war and cosmic disturbances that changed the earths orbit and day night cycle. And again along with the fact that Jesus would have had to returned to the earth, the saints been Resurrected, the battle of Armageddon happened in Meggido and Jerusalem would never have completely fallen.
There would be a new heavens, a new earth, no death, Jesus would be sitting as King over the whole earth and all wars would have ended at His return.
70 AD was a local event in a small province in Rome, Revelation is very specific about world wide cataclysm and the whole earth nearly dying off due to war, the antichrist and the wrath of God being poured out on it.
I would suggest staying away from that doctrine, its by far the most insane of all views on Revelation and pretty much makes the text meaningless nonsense that totally contradicts itself on every level.
(This post was last modified: 09-08-2021 09:48 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
Jesus warned to reject anyone who said He returns in secret, He was very adamant that every eye will see Him, every tongue will confess and all evil will be put down and removed form the earth at His return.
It would be lunacy to argue that happened in 70 AD.
(02-26-2021 05:16 PM)Claw Wrote: I do NOT think this is the mark of the devil. It doesn't meet the description of being on the hand or forehead (as I recall).
I definitely made quips at work when the pandemic first rolled out, that masks were the mark because people needed them in order to conduct business.
(09-08-2021 10:59 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:
That was an excellent video. I suppose I favor a partial-preterist interpretation of Revelation, but I view these issues as tertiary. Just as this speaker says that the buildings of Jesus's Jerusalem are a shadow or type of the buildings that would one day witness the second coming, so the entire tribulation of AD 70 was a shadow or type of the final tribulation.
(02-26-2021 05:16 PM)Claw Wrote: I do NOT think this is the mark of the devil. It doesn't meet the description of being on the hand or forehead (as I recall).
I definitely made quips at work when the pandemic first rolled out, that masks were the mark because people needed them in order to conduct business.
(09-08-2021 10:59 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:
That was an excellent video. I suppose I favor a partial-preterist interpretation of Revelation, but I view these issues as tertiary. Just as this speaker says that the buildings of Jesus's Jerusalem are a shadow or type of the buildings that would one day witness the second coming, so the entire tribulation of AD 70 was a shadow or type of the final tribulation.
The problem with preterism is its very short sighted, its unbelievable contradictory and turns scriptures into gibberish.
Both the OT and NT teach that at the end the city of Jerusalem and the Jews are NOT totally destroyed, that Christ returns and destroys the antichrist and the beast armies in a great battle and saves the city, the remaining Jews and all the Gentiles who believe in Him. Jerusalem and the nation of Israel are saved, they have accepted Jesus FINALLY and all the sinners wicked are removed forever from the land and the city. Jesus literally then sits on the throne of David and rules the earth as King. No more false religions, no more false Gods.
The complete opposite of that happened in 70 AD, ROME WON. They murdered million of Jews and Christians and totally destroyed the city, the temple and the nation. Christians went into hiding for the next 200+ years as Pagan Rome had a complete and total victory.
Yet the preterist argues that most of Revelation and all the OT prophecies about this were fulfilled by 70 AD. How do you even respond to something that wild that just tosses out everything the Bible says about this and the complete opposite happens instead?
And the only evidence a peterist can point is "just because". Its true just because they say so. And the mountains of scripture that contradict it becomes incoherent gibberish because of it. The fact that the 180 degrees opposite of what the Bible says happened in 70 AD does not even phase them.
Preterist realized early on how when tested with scripture this is total gibberish and really insane so they began to divide it up (again, based on nothing but "just because we say)" and partial preterism was born.
The whole theory of preterism boils down to one basic point, that because Revelations introduction in verse 1 says "things that shall SHORTLY come to pass", because its says "shortly" then everything had to have already happened. That word "shortly" is the one and only word in the whole book they read as literal. Nothing else is literal, NOTHING at all but this one word, "shortly". In preterism that is actually the single most important word in the entire book of Revelation. And from that single idea they just work it backward from that and reinterpret everything said and apply it to 70 AD. Now keep in mind Revelation and the OT prophets say that the age would end with Israel and Jerusalem in a war with the antichrist and a league of nations joining Him across the world invading the Holy Land with the intent of destroying the Jews forever for rejecting the antichrist and his one world religion. He will actually invade Jerusalem and sit in the new Jewish temple and proclaim Himself as God. But at the very end Christ returns and destroys him and his armies in Armageddon, saves Jerusalem, the remnant of Jews who have now finally accepted He was the Messiah. And Jesus will reign and sit as king over the whole earth on the throne of David in Jerusalem.
Preterism is the theory this all happened and ended in 70 AD. But that is the most absurdly insane theory possible, its like a "woke" argument totally separated from reality. In 70 AD, PAGAN ROME WON. They completely destroyed the temple, Jerusalem and Israel as a whole were wiped off the map and scattered the remaining Jews across the whole world in the great diaspora for the next 1900 years. They then persecuted and mass murdered Christians for the next 200+ years, burning many alive in the streets and feed them to the lions. Yet preterism says this fulfilled the book of Revelation. Rome winning, Jesus not literally returning, none of the countless specific world catastrophes and new world order actually happening, and all the Christians being mass murdered by Rome me for the next 250 years. That is the fulfillment of Revelation. Partial preterism is everything but the actual 2nd coming, they somehow decided that was unconnected to the rest of Revelation, despite the fact that the book irreparably ties the together as one major event. Jesus destroys the antichrist and his armies at the 2nd coming. Its the culmination of the entire book and Bible, Jesus returns to the earth and defeats Satan and the antichrist at Armageddon.
The whole theory is just a mass of insane contradictions and total gibberish. You might as well flush the book of Revelation down the drain, its the most over exaggerated and overblown bunch of blithering nonsense ever put to paper.
(This post was last modified: 11-21-2021 02:29 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
Pretersim actually fits in very well with the woke era. Not that preterists are woke, but that fits into the "spirit" and culture of what we see in the woke era.
You listen to the woke and their views are so totally insane and counter to all reality that you really don't even know how to respond to them at first. They have these deep theologies that are so wacked out and so devoid of reality that you are left like a deer in headlights when you first hear them. You are just like.......Wut????
They are so convinced of it and are so deep into it you really don't even know what to say to them at times. You are just kinda in awe to how a person could hold such a wild view and ignore all reality.
Its a lot like that when discussing pretersim with people, you are just in disbelief they could even think such a thing with this mountain of contradictory evidence.
You can't even use scripture to disprove anything they say, because the passage NEVER means what it says, It only means what they say it means and just because they say so. So the hundreds of chapters and scriptures that disprove it blatantly beyond all doubt are totally meaningless because none of them mean what they say at all. They instead mean something totally different that only preterism can tell you.
You might as well open a Dr Suess book and say this is the book of Revelation. Sure the text says the eggs and ham are green but that is a secret code that means the earth is flat. Why? Just because......
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2021 10:07 AM by ericsrevenge76.)