(01-18-2021 09:42 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Again, until Penny stops worrying about being the most liked coach in America by his players then he is going to struggle. He has to recognize he is in the business of winning and not in the business of being buddies. Right now he is akin to the parent who wants their high school kid to be their best friend so they let them just do whatever.

Obviously, there is a balance where coaches can win and be liked/respected by their players. But by all accounts Penny seems terrified of yelling, benching or getting after his guys and it shows by their complete lack of respect or willingness to listen to him.

good grief, such a jump here
What is your basis for the whole "most liked coach" that you frequently throw around?
It certainly isn't when he calls them out in public. Many say he shouldn't be doing that. I have mixed opinions. But it CERTAINLY goes counter to what you are saying.
Playing time? I guess you could make that leap. But then again, I see him take guys out when they are not hustling, or when they miss opportunities for a loose ball. And he has gotten better about taking them out for a bad shot too. He did it at least once yesterday.
Respect? Do you think he could get them to play as hard as they do on D and throughout most games, if they didn't respect him?
And, no, he doesn't jump up and down and cuss during games. I know many of you want that, but he's not going to do it.
However, none of this exactly adds up to what you accuse. You are taking a big leap to get to that conclusion - and it's unfair to do that to one of our own. Criticize specifically, but keep that nonsense in private.

(01-18-2021 10:55 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 09:42 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Again, until Penny stops worrying about being the most liked coach in America by his players then he is going to struggle. He has to recognize he is in the business of winning and not in the business of being buddies. Right now he is akin to the parent who wants their high school kid to be their best friend so they let them just do whatever.

Obviously, there is a balance where coaches can win and be liked/respected by their players. But by all accounts Penny seems terrified of yelling, benching or getting after his guys and it shows by their complete lack of respect or willingness to listen to him.

good grief, such a jump here
What is your basis for the whole "most liked coach" that you frequently throw around?
It certainly isn't when he calls them out in public. Many say he shouldn't be doing that. I have mixed opinions. But it CERTAINLY goes counter to what you are saying.
Playing time? I guess you could make that leap. But then again, I see him take guys out when they are not hustling, or when they miss opportunities for a loose ball. And he has gotten better about taking them out for a bad shot too. He did it at least once yesterday.
Respect? Do you think he could get them to play as hard as they do on D and throughout most games, if they didn't respect him?
And, no, he doesn't jump up and down and cuss during games. I know many of you want that, but he's not going to do it.
However, none of this exactly adds up to what you accuse. You are taking a big leap to get to that conclusion - and it's unfair to do that to one of our own. Criticize specifically, but keep that nonsense in private.

Watch the games. It is clear. It was Penny himself that said the players do not listen during timeouts because they are busy arguing and pointing blame at each other. Does that sound like a coach that is commanding or getting the respect of his players? It was Penny that brought in an assistant coach and let him install an offense that Penny did not understand and could not effectively coach. Again, that was Penny that said that. Is that a head coach that sounds like he is more worried about winning or not upsetting his assistant?

We clearly have players receiving playing time that do not deserve it. We are at a point in the year where practically every coach is cutting their roster down to an 8 man rotation, yet Penny is still evenly distributing playing time and refusing to trim his roster. That is a symptom of wanting to be liked. Penny is 3 years in and has never received a technical foul on the sideline. I do not need a coach that acts like a fool on the sideline. But you are telling me in 3 years of college coaching there has not been one time of a situation where a getting T'd up was warranted or would have been a good strategic move? But again, he is more worried about his image and being liked than risking getting after someone and upsetting them. This is a very consistent approach with Penny from his players, to his assistants and down to the referees. Nolley has more technical fouls in a couple of games than Penny has entire career as a college coach...

Simply watch how he interacts with his players compared to almost any other coach. And there is a very distinct difference between saying players are not doing their jobs in a Tuesday interview than benching them for refusing to run the offense or making terrible turnovers. If you are watching with the slightest bit of unbias it is clear Penny prefers to be their friend first and wants to be a "players coach" first IMO.

I have clearly stated and still stand by the opinion that Penny deserves 4 or 5 years. I am not calling for him to be fired or even calling him a bad coach at this point. But if he does not decide become a coach first and friend second across the board (players, assistants, refs and so on) then it will be the demise of his coaching career...

Are we still wanting ALL THE SMOKE?

(01-18-2021 11:48 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Are we still wanting ALL THE SMOKE?

Top's BBQ smokes the good stuff.

(01-18-2021 01:37 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 11:48 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Are we still wanting ALL THE SMOKE?

Top's BBQ smokes the good stuff.

You need a lot of smoke to sit through a game.

(01-18-2021 11:48 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Are we still wanting ALL THE SMOKE?

I just wished we had a little smoke on the sideline ( and I don't mean Darrell Hollimon )---I mean by Penny on the sideline.

I have asked many times has Penny ever got a T. I read above from SenorTiger that he has not.

He shows ZERO FIRE ZERO EMOTION NEVER. All he does is just stand with a blank stare -usually with his hands in his pockets .

He never gets on the refs--never FIGHTS for calls for his team. He also never gets on his team for any reason .

ZERO FIRE EVER/NEVER

(01-18-2021 02:08 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 11:48 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Are we still wanting ALL THE SMOKE?

I just wished we had a little smoke on the sideline ( and I don't mean Darrell Hollimon )---I mean by Penny on the sideline.

I have asked many times has Penny ever got a T. I read above from SenorTiger that he has not.

He shows ZERO FIRE ZERO EMOTION NEVER. All he does is just stand with a blank stare -usually with his hands in his pockets .

He never gets on the refs--never FIGHTS for calls for his team. He also never gets on his team for any reason .

ZERO FIRE EVER/NEVER

To be fair, I am not 100% sure he has never received one but I certainly do not recall him ever receiving one.

It seems like in year 1 I recall him getting a bench technical which was attributed to him but I think it was one of the players on the bench who yelled at the ref and caused the tech.

(01-18-2021 01:43 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:37 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 11:48 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Are we still wanting ALL THE SMOKE?

Top's BBQ smokes the good stuff.

You need a lot of smoke to sit through a game.

They say those eatables are the bomb.

(01-18-2021 03:06 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:43 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:37 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 11:48 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Are we still wanting ALL THE SMOKE?

Top's BBQ smokes the good stuff.

You need a lot of smoke to sit through a game.

They say those eatables are the bomb.

The edibles, too.

(01-18-2021 09:02 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

(01-17-2021 10:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Penny played 2 guys

10 and 19 minutes (29 total)

They combined for 0 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 fouls and 4 Turnovers.

Boogie and Moussa.

Throw in Alo's 2pnts 1 assist game in 20mins in there and it's even uglier

Boogie, Moussa and Lomax all -6 for the game.

Deandre +7
Malcolm +9
Nolley +2
DJ -2
Jayden +3

Deandre, Lomax and Malcolm Lineups had best offensive Numbers...Moussa and Boogie the worst.

Lomax Lineups were way below average defensively.

But on the whole outcoached deal...

Was Sampson outcoached when Tulsa beat them?

(01-17-2021 06:39 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(01-17-2021 05:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-17-2021 05:26 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Penny is no Frank Haith. He is no Jawan Howard. Two years in a row of overwhelming unforced turnovers is bad coaching. Penny doesn't even have control of timeout huddles. Everyone of his players is talking and the no one is listening to him. If he cannot get control of this team he should get out of the business before he completely discredits himself in Memphis.

After the last game he said "the players are too busy arguing with each other during the timeouts, blaming each other, that they dont listen to the next play"

and I saw the same thing happening today.

that is very concerning that he sees that problem and has not corrected it.

ive wondered the same. after every turnover, errant pass, score by opposing team.......

you can find someone on our team pouting, pointing, or blaming a team mate.

jeffries has the worst body language of all of 'em

Not quite, Penny's is worse.

(01-18-2021 05:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  But on the whole outcoached deal...

Was Sampson outcoached when Tulsa beat them?

not sure, but I am not looking forward to the whoopings Houston is giving us this season. Samson is a coach who will teach Penny a lesson. If Penny is willing to learn.

(01-18-2021 05:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  But on the whole outcoached deal...

Was Sampson outcoached when Tulsa beat them?

Cherry pick much?

(01-19-2021 05:00 AM)Keeper Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 05:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  But on the whole outcoached deal...

Was Sampson outcoached when Tulsa beat them?

not sure, but I am not looking forward to the whoopings Houston is giving us this season. Samson is a coach who will teach Penny a lesson. If Penny is willing to learn.

Memphis is just a weird team.

They are athletic and big enough to defend well for 36 minutes a game and make it tough for a team to really go on sustained runs.

The offense takes enough open shots to hit a few to keep them in the game.

I see this team a perfectly capable of going 0-10 vs. the AP top 10 and not losing by more than 6-8 points in any of the games. (except maybe Gonzaga)

(01-19-2021 12:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 05:00 AM)Keeper Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 05:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  But on the whole outcoached deal...

Was Sampson outcoached when Tulsa beat them?

not sure, but I am not looking forward to the whoopings Houston is giving us this season. Samson is a coach who will teach Penny a lesson. If Penny is willing to learn.

Memphis is just a weird team.

They are athletic and big enough to defend well for 36 minutes a game and make it tough for a team to really go on sustained runs.

The offense takes enough open shots to hit a few to keep them in the game.

I see this team a perfectly capable of going 0-10 vs. the AP top 10 and not losing by more than 6-8 points in any of the games. (except maybe Gonzaga)

Through the Cal years and even through the Tubby years up to now, everyone says that we are athletic. IMO, the only player that I would say with certainty is athletic is Baugh. Nobody else jumps out as being athletic. The next group would be Cisse, Williams, DJ and maybe Boogie. When Dandridge isn't hurt, I would put him in this group as well. Lomax, LQ, Nolley, Jayden and Thomas aren't.

We have length and long arms and a lot of players that can switch to play 1 through 3 and 2 through 4 on defense.

(01-19-2021 01:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 12:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 05:00 AM)Keeper Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 05:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  But on the whole outcoached deal...

Was Sampson outcoached when Tulsa beat them?

not sure, but I am not looking forward to the whoopings Houston is giving us this season. Samson is a coach who will teach Penny a lesson. If Penny is willing to learn.

Memphis is just a weird team.

They are athletic and big enough to defend well for 36 minutes a game and make it tough for a team to really go on sustained runs.

The offense takes enough open shots to hit a few to keep them in the game.

I see this team a perfectly capable of going 0-10 vs. the AP top 10 and not losing by more than 6-8 points in any of the games. (except maybe Gonzaga)

Through the Cal years and even through the Tubby years up to now, everyone says that we are athletic. IMO, the only player that I would say with certainty is athletic is Baugh. Nobody else jumps out as being athletic. The next group would be Cisse, Williams, DJ and maybe Boogie. When Dandridge isn't hurt, I would put him in this group as well. Lomax, LQ, Nolley, Jayden and Thomas aren't.

We have length and long arms and a lot of players that can switch to play 1 through 3 and 2 through 4 on defense.

I will never care about athletic.

I care about being good at basketball. Knowing where to be on the court. Filling the lane properly on a fast break. Knowing where to funnel a ball handler to help defense. Shooting well. Making free throws.

Dedric wasn't athletic. But the dude was an awesome college player.,

Tennessee is top 10 in the country and two of their best players are unathletic. Fulkerson and Vescovi.

Iowa has a mostly a bunch of goofy white dudes led by Luka Garza, who is absolutely an incredible college bb player.

Hunter Dickinson and Franz Wagner at Michigan aren't going to kill it at the combine.

(01-19-2021 02:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 01:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 12:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 05:00 AM)Keeper Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 05:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  But on the whole outcoached deal...

Was Sampson outcoached when Tulsa beat them?

not sure, but I am not looking forward to the whoopings Houston is giving us this season. Samson is a coach who will teach Penny a lesson. If Penny is willing to learn.

Memphis is just a weird team.

They are athletic and big enough to defend well for 36 minutes a game and make it tough for a team to really go on sustained runs.

The offense takes enough open shots to hit a few to keep them in the game.

I see this team a perfectly capable of going 0-10 vs. the AP top 10 and not losing by more than 6-8 points in any of the games. (except maybe Gonzaga)

Through the Cal years and even through the Tubby years up to now, everyone says that we are athletic. IMO, the only player that I would say with certainty is athletic is Baugh. Nobody else jumps out as being athletic. The next group would be Cisse, Williams, DJ and maybe Boogie. When Dandridge isn't hurt, I would put him in this group as well. Lomax, LQ, Nolley, Jayden and Thomas aren't.

We have length and long arms and a lot of players that can switch to play 1 through 3 and 2 through 4 on defense.

I will never care about athletic.

I care about being good at basketball. Knowing where to be on the court. Filling the lane properly on a fast break. Knowing where to funnel a ball handler to help defense. Shooting well. Making free throws.

Dedric wasn't athletic. But the dude was an awesome college player.,

Tennessee is top 10 in the country and two of their best players are unathletic. Fulkerson and Vescovi.

Iowa has a mostly a bunch of goofy white dudes led by Luka Garza, who is absolutely an incredible college bb player.

Hunter Dickinson and Franz Wagner at Michigan aren't going to kill it at the combine.

If we had a point guard, most of the other issues would magically go away. The only good ballhandlers we have are Lomax and LQ. Baugh is not good and Boogie is only adequate when he is making a move to the basket.

Going back to Kirk, we have had a long list of point guards that could break a press by themselves. Turner, Garner, Penny, EP, Burks, Rose, Allen, Tyreke and JJ. We have one player; Baugh that is fast when he dribbles, but his head is down the whole way and there is almost no chance that he can see anyone to make a pass to at high speed.

(01-19-2021 02:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 01:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 12:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 05:00 AM)Keeper Wrote:  not sure, but I am not looking forward to the whoopings Houston is giving us this season. Samson is a coach who will teach Penny a lesson. If Penny is willing to learn.

Memphis is just a weird team.

They are athletic and big enough to defend well for 36 minutes a game and make it tough for a team to really go on sustained runs.

The offense takes enough open shots to hit a few to keep them in the game.

I see this team a perfectly capable of going 0-10 vs. the AP top 10 and not losing by more than 6-8 points in any of the games. (except maybe Gonzaga)

Through the Cal years and even through the Tubby years up to now, everyone says that we are athletic. IMO, the only player that I would say with certainty is athletic is Baugh. Nobody else jumps out as being athletic. The next group would be Cisse, Williams, DJ and maybe Boogie. When Dandridge isn't hurt, I would put him in this group as well. Lomax, LQ, Nolley, Jayden and Thomas aren't.

We have length and long arms and a lot of players that can switch to play 1 through 3 and 2 through 4 on defense.

I will never care about athletic.

I care about being good at basketball. Knowing where to be on the court. Filling the lane properly on a fast break. Knowing where to funnel a ball handler to help defense. Shooting well. Making free throws.

Dedric wasn't athletic. But the dude was an awesome college player.,

Tennessee is top 10 in the country and two of their best players are unathletic. Fulkerson and Vescovi.

Iowa has a mostly a bunch of goofy white dudes led by Luka Garza, who is absolutely an incredible college bb player.

Hunter Dickinson and Franz Wagner at Michigan aren't going to kill it at the combine.

If we had a point guard, most of the other issues would magically go away. The only good ballhandlers we have are Lomax and LQ. Baugh is not good and Boogie is only adequate when he is making a move to the basket.

Going back to Kirk, we have had a long list of point guards that could break a press by themselves. Turner, Garner, Penny, EP, Burks, Rose, Allen, Tyreke and JJ. We have one player; Baugh that is fast when he dribbles, but his head is down the whole way and there is almost no chance that he can see anyone to make a pass to at high speed.

True. Point guard is the problem.

Point Guard is not the problem.