(01-09-2021 11:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 11:15 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:43 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  seems like something that should have been changed when the GOP has both houses a few years back.

At this point the GOP is no better than the democrat party. There seems to be only two options moving forward. Either a third party is formed by the 71 million Trump supporters, or those voters primary every GOP incumbent (excluding those that actually contested the election) from this day forward. From senators and governors, to dog catchers. The whole party gets purged. But, if the second option is adopted, should the "Trump Type" candidate not win the parties nomination, than the "Trump wing of the party" doesn't vote in the general election. At this pint it really doesn't matter if a seat is held by a dim or an establishment GOP candidate. The dems already have the house, senate, presidency, and supreme court. No reason to help GOP elitists like Mitch McConnell maintain their lackey status.

71mm Trump voters all following him over to a new party seems a bit optimistic.
There are at least a few of us who voted for Trump because he was by far the better option, but have no use whatsoever for his appalling behavior once his flunkies failed to produce anything meaningful in support of establishing that the election was stolen.

He's had his chance. I have no doubt that there were instances of rampant fraud, and am fully in favor of questioning the legitimacy of the incoming administration. But that is not the same as supporting anything more from sore loser Trump.

If the instances of vote fraud were substantial enough to warrant overturning the state-declared results in one or more of Ga., Pa., Mi., Az. or Nv., then your distress ought to be directed at the Trump operatives who came up with nothing better than inflammatory statements.

There was little that could be done once those mail in ballots were separated from their envelopes.

Which is why I am fine with a persistent chorus from those questioning the legitimacy of the 2020 election.

But since "[t]here was little that could be done once ...", doesn't that pretty much disqualify attempts to justify the instigated attack on the Capitol building? Or, to take it a step further, the casual suggestion that we as a nation are headed for civil war?

I don't know that the election wasn't stolen. You don't know that it was. We both have our suspicions, but that's it.

got it....legislation was whored and historical + statistical data is irrelevant.

(01-09-2021 11:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  fk your last para....w/o scotus, it was a given...

You might very well be right. The truth, whatever it is, probably will come out in time. Or maybe it won't.

But it certainly won't happen in the next eleven days.

(01-09-2021 11:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 11:15 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:43 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  seems like something that should have been changed when the GOP has both houses a few years back.

At this point the GOP is no better than the democrat party. There seems to be only two options moving forward. Either a third party is formed by the 71 million Trump supporters, or those voters primary every GOP incumbent (excluding those that actually contested the election) from this day forward. From senators and governors, to dog catchers. The whole party gets purged. But, if the second option is adopted, should the "Trump Type" candidate not win the parties nomination, than the "Trump wing of the party" doesn't vote in the general election. At this pint it really doesn't matter if a seat is held by a dim or an establishment GOP candidate. The dems already have the house, senate, presidency, and supreme court. No reason to help GOP elitists like Mitch McConnell maintain their lackey status.

71mm Trump voters all following him over to a new party seems a bit optimistic.
There are at least a few of us who voted for Trump because he was by far the better option, but have no use whatsoever for his appalling behavior once his flunkies failed to produce anything meaningful in support of establishing that the election was stolen.

He's had his chance. I have no doubt that there were instances of rampant fraud, and am fully in favor of questioning the legitimacy of the incoming administration. But that is not the same as supporting anything more from sore loser Trump.

If the instances of vote fraud were substantial enough to warrant overturning the state-declared results in one or more of Ga., Pa., Mi., Az. or Nv., then your distress ought to be directed at the Trump operatives who came up with nothing better than inflammatory statements.

There was little that could be done once those mail in ballots were separated from their envelopes.

Which is why I am fine with a persistent chorus from those questioning the legitimacy of the 2020 election.

But since "[t]here was little that could be done once ...", doesn't that pretty much disqualify attempts to justify the instigated attack on the Capitol building? Or, to take it a step further, the casual suggestion that we as a nation are headed for civil war?

I don't know that the election wasn't stolen. You don't know that it was. We both have our suspicions, but that's it.

My suspicion is boosted by the whole bunch of the ruling class refusing to investigate it. The only thing we are hearing is the same ole “we will fix it” chit. In the end, we will be the ones to fix it.

(01-09-2021 11:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 11:15 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:43 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  seems like something that should have been changed when the GOP has both houses a few years back.

At this point the GOP is no better than the democrat party. There seems to be only two options moving forward. Either a third party is formed by the 71 million Trump supporters, or those voters primary every GOP incumbent (excluding those that actually contested the election) from this day forward. From senators and governors, to dog catchers. The whole party gets purged. But, if the second option is adopted, should the "Trump Type" candidate not win the parties nomination, than the "Trump wing of the party" doesn't vote in the general election. At this pint it really doesn't matter if a seat is held by a dim or an establishment GOP candidate. The dems already have the house, senate, presidency, and supreme court. No reason to help GOP elitists like Mitch McConnell maintain their lackey status.

71mm Trump voters all following him over to a new party seems a bit optimistic.
There are at least a few of us who voted for Trump because he was by far the better option, but have no use whatsoever for his appalling behavior once his flunkies failed to produce anything meaningful in support of establishing that the election was stolen.

He's had his chance. I have no doubt that there were instances of rampant fraud, and am fully in favor of questioning the legitimacy of the incoming administration. But that is not the same as supporting anything more from sore loser Trump.

If the instances of vote fraud were substantial enough to warrant overturning the state-declared results in one or more of Ga., Pa., Mi., Az. or Nv., then your distress ought to be directed at the Trump operatives who came up with nothing better than inflammatory statements.

There was little that could be done once those mail in ballots were separated from their envelopes.

Which is why I am fine with a persistent chorus from those questioning the legitimacy of the 2020 election.

But since "[t]here was little that could be done once ...", doesn't that pretty much disqualify attempts to justify the instigated attack on the Capitol building? Or, to take it a step further, the casual suggestion that we as a nation are headed for civil war?

I don't know that the election wasn't stolen. You don't know that it was. We both have our suspicions, but that's it.

Those people believed there was massive software manipulation. I don't. But they have a lot of questions that haven't been answered. And if this were a Senate or House election, I would throw it out like that North Carolina House election 2 years ago or the Clark County Commissioner race this year. But the presidential race has specific legal and consitutional rules. And one of those rules is for Congress to certify the electors. Those people were speaking to Congress doing that procedure. They wanted Congress to take a serious look instead of blowing it off.

So they were justified in going to DC and protesting.

Those who forced their way into the Capitol were committing illegal entry, but it was a protest, not sedition. What was done in Seattle and Portland was not a protest. That WAS an insurrection and sedition.

A bunch of politicians are getting their panties in a wad because they were scared. They were scared of people who were determined to take selfies and put their feet on Nancy's desk.

Well you know, we were scared this summer. We saw the glow from Atlanta burning. We heard the gunshots. We still don't dare go to Atlanta at night. And we avoid Buckhead as much as possible as there are people shot in the wealthiest part of Atlanta weekly.

If the elite were scared, Good!!!

(01-09-2021 10:43 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  seems like something that should have been changed when the GOP has both houses a few years back.

At this point the GOP is no better than the democrat party. There seems to be only two options moving forward. Either a third party is formed by the 71 million Trump supporters, or those voters primary every GOP incumbent (excluding those that actually contested the election) from this day forward. From senators and governors, to dog catchers. The whole party gets purged. But, if the second option is adopted, should the "Trump Type" candidate not win the parties nomination, than the "Trump wing of the party" doesn't vote in the general election. At this pint it really doesn't matter if a seat is held by a dim or an establishment GOP candidate. The dems already have the house, senate, presidency, and supreme court. No reason to help GOP elitists like Mitch McConnell maintain their lackey status.

The Republican Party can barely win now if everything goes just right. I’m not certain at all that splitting the anti-Democrat vote between the Republicans and a new third party would do anything other than allow Democrats to literally win every race of consequence. All that splitting the Republican vote would accomplish is to lock the Democrats in as the permanent super majority party for every branch of government for the foreseeable future.

(01-09-2021 11:36 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 11:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  fk your last para....w/o scotus, it was a given...

You might very well be right. The truth, whatever it is, probably will come out in time. Or maybe it won't.

But it certainly won't happen in the next eleven days.

wasn't arguing 11 days.....however, I can only thank you for delving into the longer term impact potential....

hint: fk me, HOCKEY FK'N PUCK EWE

push another button, girls...

(01-09-2021 11:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:43 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  seems like something that should have been changed when the GOP has both houses a few years back.

At this point the GOP is no better than the democrat party. There seems to be only two options moving forward. Either a third party is formed by the 71 million Trump supporters, or those voters primary every GOP incumbent (excluding those that actually contested the election) from this day forward. From senators and governors, to dog catchers. The whole party gets purged. But, if the second option is adopted, should the "Trump Type" candidate not win the parties nomination, than the "Trump wing of the party" doesn't vote in the general election. At this pint it really doesn't matter if a seat is held by a dim or an establishment GOP candidate. The dems already have the house, senate, presidency, and supreme court. No reason to help GOP elitists like Mitch McConnell maintain their lackey status.

The Republican Party can barely win now if everything goes just right. I’m not certain at all that splitting the anti-Democrat vote between the Republicans and a new third party would literally win every race of consequence. All that splitting the Republican vote would accomplish is to lock the Democrats in as the permanent super majority party for every branch of government for the foreseeable future.

That is what concerns me about President Trump's rhetoric lately. He brought out 10 million new voters, but he is turning off millions of potential Republican voters from the electoral process.

Instead we should be getting so many to vote that they can't cheat enough to win.

But I tell you, if they go along with any of this impeachment or 25th nonsense, I'm inclined to vote 3rd party until all those incumbent Republicans are gone.

(01-09-2021 11:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 11:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:43 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  seems like something that should have been changed when the GOP has both houses a few years back.

At this point the GOP is no better than the democrat party. There seems to be only two options moving forward. Either a third party is formed by the 71 million Trump supporters, or those voters primary every GOP incumbent (excluding those that actually contested the election) from this day forward. From senators and governors, to dog catchers. The whole party gets purged. But, if the second option is adopted, should the "Trump Type" candidate not win the parties nomination, than the "Trump wing of the party" doesn't vote in the general election. At this pint it really doesn't matter if a seat is held by a dim or an establishment GOP candidate. The dems already have the house, senate, presidency, and supreme court. No reason to help GOP elitists like Mitch McConnell maintain their lackey status.

The Republican Party can barely win now if everything goes just right. I’m not certain at all that splitting the anti-Democrat vote between the Republicans and a new third party would literally win every race of consequence. All that splitting the Republican vote would accomplish is to lock the Democrats in as the permanent super majority party for every branch of government for the foreseeable future.

That is what concerns me about President Trump's rhetoric lately. He brought out 10 million new voters, but he is turning off millions of potential Republican voters from the electoral process.

Instead we should be getting so many to vote that they can't cheat enough to win.

But I tell you, if they go along with any of this impeachment or 25th nonsense, I'm inclined to vote 3rd party until all those incumbent Republicans are gone.

I don’t see that. I see him pointing out that if we don’t fix a horribly flawed election process the Republicans may never elect another president.

I expect a massive class action lawsuit soon



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(01-09-2021 11:39 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 11:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 11:15 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 10:43 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  At this point the GOP is no better than the democrat party. There seems to be only two options moving forward. Either a third party is formed by the 71 million Trump supporters, or those voters primary every GOP incumbent (excluding those that actually contested the election) from this day forward. From senators and governors, to dog catchers. The whole party gets purged. But, if the second option is adopted, should the "Trump Type" candidate not win the parties nomination, than the "Trump wing of the party" doesn't vote in the general election. At this pint it really doesn't matter if a seat is held by a dim or an establishment GOP candidate. The dems already have the house, senate, presidency, and supreme court. No reason to help GOP elitists like Mitch McConnell maintain their lackey status.

71mm Trump voters all following him over to a new party seems a bit optimistic.
There are at least a few of us who voted for Trump because he was by far the better option, but have no use whatsoever for his appalling behavior once his flunkies failed to produce anything meaningful in support of establishing that the election was stolen.

He's had his chance. I have no doubt that there were instances of rampant fraud, and am fully in favor of questioning the legitimacy of the incoming administration. But that is not the same as supporting anything more from sore loser Trump.

If the instances of vote fraud were substantial enough to warrant overturning the state-declared results in one or more of Ga., Pa., Mi., Az. or Nv., then your distress ought to be directed at the Trump operatives who came up with nothing better than inflammatory statements.

There was little that could be done once those mail in ballots were separated from their envelopes.

Which is why I am fine with a persistent chorus from those questioning the legitimacy of the 2020 election.

But since "[t]here was little that could be done once ...", doesn't that pretty much disqualify attempts to justify the instigated attack on the Capitol building? Or, to take it a step further, the casual suggestion that we as a nation are headed for civil war?

I don't know that the election wasn't stolen. You don't know that it was. We both have our suspicions, but that's it.

Those people believed there was massive software manipulation. I don't. But they have a lot of questions that haven't been answered. And if this were a Senate or House election, I would throw it out like that North Carolina House election 2 years ago or the Clark County Commissioner race this year. But the presidential race has specific legal and consitutional rules. And one of those rules is for Congress to certify the electors. Those people were speaking to Congress doing that procedure. They wanted Congress to take a serious look instead of blowing it off.

So they were justified in going to DC and protesting.

Those who forced their way into the Capitol were committing illegal entry, but it was a protest, not sedition. What was done in Seattle and Portland was not a protest. That WAS an insurrection and sedition.

A bunch of politicians are getting their panties in a wad because they were scared. They were scared of people who were determined to take selfies and put their feet on Nancy's desk.

Well you know, we were scared this summer. We saw the glow from Atlanta burning. We heard the gunshots. We still don't dare go to Atlanta at night. And we avoid Buckhead as much as possible as there are people shot in the wealthiest part of Atlanta weekly.

If the elite were scared, Good!!!

This is an excellent post.

(01-09-2021 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  seems like something that should have been changed when the GOP has both houses a few years back.

When was that? Are you counting the Flake, Pierre Delecto and that POS Songbird as GOP?

You think Trump had power when POTUS. Just wait till he forms a super pac and primaries the rinos.

Quote:Left-wing Hollywood celebrities are expressing their collective love of Big Brother after Twitter announced that it has permanently banned President Donald Trump.

As Breitbart News reported, Twitter kicked the president off its platform late Friday. “After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence,” said Twitter in a statement.

Twitter cited two specific tweets that the president posted on Friday, claiming that they violate the company’s “Glorification of Violence” policy, though neither of those tweets remotely encourages violence or “glorifies” it.

In one of the tweets, the president states that he will not attend Joe Biden’s inauguration. In the other, the president wrote that the 75 million people who voted for him “will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!”

Twitter concluded that those tweets “are likely to inspire” other acts similar to the storming of the Capitol on Wednesday.

Hollywood stars — some of whom have actually used Twitter to encourage violence, without penalty — rejoiced at the announcement, offering snarky comments and unalloyed praise for the Silicon Valley tech giant. In an ominous tweet, actress Amber Tamblyn suggested that banning Trump isn’t enough. “We need to go further,” she said.

Borat star Sacha Baron Cohen, who has been one of Hollywood’s biggest advocates for more tech censorship, declared victory: “We did it!”

Veep star Julia Louis-Dreyfus, who was one of Hollywood’s biggest supporters of Joe Biden, tweeted: “What the **** took you so long @jack?”

Actor-comedian Jim Gaffigan thanked Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey.

Model Chrissy Teigen mocked the president with a long laugh.

Rob Reiner implied that the president had it coming.

The Avengers star Mark Ruffalo and his Marvel compatriot Dave Bautista expressed their gratitude for Twitter’s censorship of the president. Actress Mia Farrow did the same.

Comedian Chelsea Handler tweeted: “Finally.”

Seinfeld writer and Curb Your Enthusiasm director Larry Charles said Trump will laugh his own social media platforms, Bitter and Racebook.

Ghostbusters reboot star Leslie Jones called the president a “muthafucka.”

Seinfeld star Jason Alexander tweeted: “I applaud Twitter for finally banning Trump.”

Broadcast News star Albert Brooks tweeted: “Buh-bye.”

Zach Braff tweeted: “All it took was a coup.”

Actress Bette Midler rejoiced, thanking Dorsey.

Actor Don Cheadle and the Daily Show Twitter account quipped about Trump being gone, while comedian-actor called on the platform to remove other Trump family members.

Wanda Sykes tweeted FINALLY! @jack told Trump to STFU!

Actress Amber Tamblyn said ominously: “We need to go further.”

Actress Amber Tamblyn said ominously: “We need to go further.”

Horror author Stephen King says he’s a proud “Twitterhead” now.

Comedian Michael Rapaport gloated about the president’s Twitter account being suspended, in a profanity-filled video.

Comedian Sandra Bernhard tweeted: “It’s about damn time.”

Actor Xander Berkeley called the president a “toxic *******.”

Top Chef host Padma Lakshmi tweeted: “About time!!!”

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If trump supporters go to heaven (big if) and God told them trump lost the election. Do they pack their bags and go straight to hell?

(01-09-2021 12:17 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  If trump supporters go to heaven (big if) and God told them trump lost the election. Do they pack their bags and go straight to hell?

So. You're saying they would have to go to Birmingham?

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...ure-456794

Leftist Politico skeptical of Twitter's move.

Being leftist, they can't come right out and say it, but reading between the lines, they seem to expect it to backfire.

Quote:This week, Donald Trump was blocked indefinitely from Facebook. He was also handed a 12-hour Twitter suspension and three of his tweets were deleted. These moves came after Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, with the president’s critics accusing him of inciting and then failing to condemn the violence in which five people died.

Some have pointed to these firms’ inconsistency. Twitter, for example, while censoring Trump, has taken no action against a tweet from the Chinese embassy in the US, which has framed the ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs as a form of re-educative liberation. ‘Study shows that in the process of eradicating extremism, the minds of Uyghur women in Xinjiang were emancipated, and gender equality and reproductive health were promoted, making them no longer baby-making machines’, a tweet by the embassy proudly announced. Apparently, celebrating the persecution of Xinjiang’s Muslims did not break Twitter rules.

The tweet revealed the sinister character of the Chinese government’s propaganda. It also seems as if Twitter felt the outgoing president to be more worthy of online punishment than an authoritarian state persecuting a whole race of people. Could there be a more telling example of Silicon Valley’s misplaced priorities? The Bad Orange Man, for all his failings, does not come close to the level of evil being perpetrated in Xinjiang. But in Big Tech execs’ minds, the imagined threat of a Trumpian coup appears to be more concerning than the actual reality of authoritarian China.

But calls to censor Chinese propaganda also miss the point, of course. If anyone thinks blocking a tweet from an arm of the Chinese state will have any positive impact whatsoever on Chinese policy, they are deluded. And the notion that removing those we do not like from the public space is a good way to challenge or even better understand their ideas is deeply misguided.

The problem with Big Tech censorship is not its inconsistency, although that itself is certainly a concern. It is the censorship itself. The simple fact that social-media firms have the power and inclination to silence people at will – including people as powerful as the US president – is a dangerous threat to free expression. And the idea that this is the most effective response to authoritarianism is absurd.

China’s tweet served to remind us of the truth-twisting, inhuman nature of its propaganda. It is surely better to let people share the embassy’s foul tweet – letting the world know of China’s foul deeds – than to expunge it from our collective online consciousness. Censorship merely puts the issue out of sight and out of mind.

You can’t fight authoritarianism with censorship.

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This thread of tweets sums it up nicely. Must read.

https://twitter.com/chadfelixg/status/13...98560?s=19

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There are a lot of sites that wouldn't carry Biden/Harris content/opinion.

Censorship.

(01-09-2021 02:34 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  There are a lot of sites that wouldn't carry Biden/Harris content/opinion.

Censorship.

Ummmmm

Bwahaha

Wait

Bwahahahaha

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(01-09-2021 11:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  That is what concerns me about President Trump's rhetoric lately. He brought out 10 million new voters, but he is turning off millions of potential Republican voters from the electoral process.

Instead we should be getting so many to vote that they can't cheat enough to win.

But I tell you, if they go along with any of this impeachment or 25th nonsense, I'm inclined to vote 3rd party until all those incumbent Republicans are gone.

no he isn't, that's what the MSM wants you to believe! He has exposed the media and the highest levels of the government for what it is: CORRUPT.

His banning from social media sites are only further proving what he's been trying to point out the whole time.

They don't want him to further expose what they are. If they weren't afraid of him, do you think they'd silence him?