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Boise St looking to move on from MWC
Boise St HC says school has to move on from MWC

- I don't think AAC takes a football-only member and that's what Boise would be in that conference. They've avoided it so far and outright ruled it out in public articles

- PAC12? Again, how to weigh Boise's non-football programs? In this scenario, the case can be made that P5 money could quickly boost all other sports. But it's still in Boise, Idaho. Every conference has outliers, though, and Boise would be less of an outlier than if they joined...

- BigXII...this is a conference that desperately needs quality adds, probably 2, if they want to hold on to UT and OU. It's not being kicked around in public, but everyone knows it has to happen soon and has to have been the topic of discussion of MANY behind the scenes meetings. Is Boise palatable to UT & OU? I don't think so, but where else are they going to pick teams from? Would have to be G5 schools but none come close to "blue bloods" UT & OU standards...
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This story broke last week. Harsin was pissed back in Aug./Sept. that the MW cancelled the season while other conferences where still playing. Public employees should know not to gripe in email due to the FOIA, it will eventually come out. Personally, the biggest problem for Boise is where to park their olympic sports, as of right now their only move is go to INDY or hope for an AAC football invite. I just don't see any P5 conference looking to expand right now until the next round of TV negotiations, where some movement may happen among conferences.
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(12-16-2020 09:50 PM)blazr Wrote:  Boise St HC says school has to move on from MWC

- I don't think AAC takes a football-only member and that's what Boise would be in that conference. They've avoided it so far and outright ruled it out in public articles

Um, the head coach saying that Boise should move on from the MW isn't exactly the same thing as "Boise State" looking to move on from the MW. The latter implies that this is the view of the Boise State community, or at least its leadership.

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I honestly see all sports to the PAC 12 or football only to the AAC as Boises only options. Boise State wouldn't move the needle for either the Big 12 or Pac 12 but at least the PAC 12 has schools close enough in Washington and Oregon. They fill out UConn's football spot and should give the AAC to look into olympic sport invite with another school. Though I don't think they add much to the tv revenue.

The biggest question is where to dump it's olympic sports. Does the Big Sky want a third Idaho school? The Big West is happy with California schools and travel subsidy hawaii. Would they add much to a WCC payout of increase tv exposure? About the only conference that would take them is the WAC and that's it the whole expansion with the Southland schools is a bust.
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(12-16-2020 11:06 PM)46566 Wrote:  I honestly see all sports to the PAC 12 or football only to the AAC as Boises only options.

I don't think the PAC or even the AAC is a viable option for Boise, which is why I think this coach is just blowing smoke that won't amount to anything.

The only possible realistic option is dumping the Olympic sports in the WAC or WCC (big step down) and going independent in football. But they must see how independence hasn't actually worked out for BYU.
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I think football-only memberships have gone the way of the Titanic. The Big East debacle, which was the C7 saying they’d had enough of FBS jockeying and shuffling which put their schedules & opponents up in the air, was both the unavoidable critical mass of those deals and the highly visible consequence.

Once a conf steps on that path there is no turning back and, with history as precedent, immediate friction behind closed doors.


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(12-17-2020 12:17 AM)blazr Wrote:  I think football-only memberships have gone the way of the Titanic. The Big East debacle, which was the C7 saying they’d had enough of FBS jockeying and shuffling which put their schedules & opponents up in the air, was both the unavoidable critical mass of those deals and the highly visible consequence.

Once a conf steps on that path there is no turning back and, with history as precedent, immediate friction behind closed doors.


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(12-16-2020 11:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-16-2020 11:06 PM)46566 Wrote:  I honestly see all sports to the PAC 12 or football only to the AAC as Boises only options.

I don't think the PAC or even the AAC is a viable option for Boise, which is why I think this coach is just blowing smoke that won't amount to anything.

The only possible realistic option is dumping the Olympic sports in the WAC or WCC (big step down) and going independent in football. But they must see how independence hasn't actually worked out for BYU.

Somebody needs to tell Harsin to, “Stay in your lane, bro.” The head coach should not be talking to anybody about leaving the MWC. That is not his job. The PAC is not interested. USC, Cal, and Stanford have never scheduled Boise State in football. They don’t seem to be interested. UCLA played them once in 1999 and beat them 38-7. The California schools are not going to be interested in adding a school from Idaho that is not up to their academic standards and needs to recruit California athletes to have success in football. For Olympic sports, no one in the west wants Boise State.
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(12-16-2020 11:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-16-2020 11:06 PM)46566 Wrote:  I honestly see all sports to the PAC 12 or football only to the AAC as Boises only options.

I don't think the PAC or even the AAC is a viable option for Boise, which is why I think this coach is just blowing smoke that won't amount to anything.

The only possible realistic option is dumping the Olympic sports in the WAC or WCC (big step down) and going independent in football. But they must see how independence hasn't actually worked out for BYU.

I agree about blowing smoke. Honestly the only team I see having independence working in the MWC is Hawaii because it's olympic sports are already separate from the MWC and week 0 gives schools the option to rearrange late season conference games if they want to play hawaii.
I don't know how Boise State could bring in teams to play in Idaho in November. At least UConn could possibly offer a away basketball game or something as a offering for a neutral or late home game.

I'm actually curious if Boise State is actually overvalued by the tv contract and people because of their past success. I'm wondering if the MWC actually needs Boise State long term. Should Boise State leave a obviously NMSU would most likely be added while a obvious huge step down in football quality it could be a slight uptick in basketball quality. Would UTEP be interested in a MWC invite or want to stay in the C-USA? I'm also wondering if it's worth keeping Wyoming if UTEP says yes. It's just to me trips to Wyoming doesn't make much sense without a Idaho school.
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(12-16-2020 10:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-16-2020 09:50 PM)blazr Wrote:  Boise St HC says school has to move on from MWC

- I don't think AAC takes a football-only member and that's what Boise would be in that conference. They've avoided it so far and outright ruled it out in public articles

Um, the head coach saying that Boise should move on from the MW isn't exactly the same thing as "Boise State" looking to move on from the MW. The latter implies that this is the view of the Boise State community, or at least its leadership.

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But the email also indicates the AD was contacting other leagues trying to find a landing spot for their olympic sports....so I suspect it ran a little deeper than just Harsin being miffed. Lets not forget that the MW has made it clear that the special deal Boise currently enjoys is to end with the conclusion of the current TV contract (5 seasons remain on the deal).

As for Boise in the AAC---why not? If a team in El Paso can share a all-sports conference with a team in Norfolk--no reason Boise couldnt play just 4 conference games on the road--3 of which would be in Texas, Oklahoma, or Louisiana. When you really analyze it---for "football only"---the travel isnt really going to be that big of a deal. Boise's big problem is---"What do we do with our olympic sports?"

They didnt have a great answers in 2012---and--judging from the email---- it appears they didnt have any answers at all in 2020....all they had was a "talk to us after Covid". As for "football only" memberships being dead----I believe Aresco has indicated fairly recently in a radio interview that an all sports or a "football only" addition are both possibilities for #12.
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(12-17-2020 12:53 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  
(12-17-2020 12:17 AM)blazr Wrote:  I think football-only memberships have gone the way of the Titanic. The Big East debacle, which was the C7 saying they’d had enough of FBS jockeying and shuffling which put their schedules & opponents up in the air, was both the unavoidable critical mass of those deals and the highly visible consequence.

Once a conf steps on that path there is no turning back and, with history as precedent, immediate friction behind closed doors.


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The military academies and Hawaii are unique. Maybe BYU as well.
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(12-17-2020 01:18 AM)46566 Wrote:  Honestly the only team I see having independence working in the MWC is Hawaii because it's olympic sports are already separate from the MWC and week 0 gives schools the option to rearrange late season conference games if they want to play hawaii.
I don't know how Boise State could bring in teams to play in Idaho in November.

Hawai'i isn't getting non-conference home games in November, either. They have none listed on their announced future schedules.

On the other hand, BYU is doing well as a football indy even without getting quality non-con home games in November. The next three years, their only announced non-con November home games are against FCS teams.
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(12-16-2020 09:50 PM)blazr Wrote:  Boise St HC says school has to move on from MWC

- I don't think AAC takes a football-only member and that's what Boise would be in that conference. They've avoided it so far and outright ruled it out in public articles

- PAC12? Again, how to weigh Boise's non-football programs? In this scenario, the case can be made that P5 money could quickly boost all other sports. But it's still in Boise, Idaho. Every conference has outliers, though, and Boise would be less of an outlier than if they joined...

- BigXII...this is a conference that desperately needs quality adds, probably 2, if they want to hold on to UT and OU. It's not being kicked around in public, but everyone knows it has to happen soon and has to have been the topic of discussion of MANY behind the scenes meetings. Is Boise palatable to UT & OU? I don't think so, but where else are they going to pick teams from? Would have to be G5 schools but none come close to "blue bloods" UT & OU standards...

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Their options are AAC football only or join the expanding list of independent teams.
BYU could be a annual season ending game they are trying to turn that into a rivalry.
U Mass , U Conn and NMSU are not good football programs but are higher rated schools. Not much different than playing Wyoming or UNM.
The thought I guess would be to schedule a couple lower P5 schools each year home and home.

Olympic sports
Big West last time with a travel subsidy
Become the Big Sky's twelfth team.
WAC might be preferred they would rather not be in conference with Idaho and Idaho St. That whole athletic flagship horseshit .
Summit might be an option
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Unfortunately the only realistic option is probably going independent. Would probably be a mistake
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(12-17-2020 12:53 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  
(12-17-2020 12:17 AM)blazr Wrote:  I think football-only memberships have gone the way of the Titanic. The Big East debacle, which was the C7 saying they’d had enough of FBS jockeying and shuffling which put their schedules & opponents up in the air, was both the unavoidable critical mass of those deals and the highly visible consequence.

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And Hawaii and the MWC.

I don't know why the Big 12 and West Virginia put up with each other outside of football season. This Friday West Virginia's women's team is flying all the way to Oklahoma State. I'm sure they can't wait. They won't even let them play two games on one trip, it's a single game. The men's basketball team makes some money, how much money does the women's basketball team make? Then how about the other sports?
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I still maintain that the best solution is for the AAC to add 3 Western members for all sports: BYU, Boise St, and AFA/SDSU.

You have the 3 newcomers join Wich St/Navy, Tulsa, SMU, and Houston in a West division.

With the best of the West now in the AAC it’s a de facto P6. Unless the MAC/SBC/C-USA/MWC produce an undefeated champ and the AAC champ has multiple losses the AAC champ is pretty much a lock for the NY6.
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(12-17-2020 12:53 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  
(12-17-2020 12:17 AM)blazr Wrote:  I think football-only memberships have gone the way of the Titanic. The Big East debacle, which was the C7 saying they’d had enough of FBS jockeying and shuffling which put their schedules & opponents up in the air, was both the unavoidable critical mass of those deals and the highly visible consequence.

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Navy is located on the east coast a couple hours from Temple. Idaho is so far from the other AAC schools. Additionally, Boise State doesn't fit the profile of a Pac 12 school.
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(12-17-2020 07:29 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I still maintain that the best solution is for the AAC to add 3 Western members for all sports: BYU, Boise St, and AFA/SDSU.

You have the 3 newcomers join Wich St/Navy, Tulsa, SMU, and Houston in a West division.

With the best of the West now in the AAC it’s a de facto P6. Unless the MAC/SBC/C-USA/MWC produce an undefeated champ and the AAC champ has multiple losses the AAC champ is pretty much a lock for the NY6.

Do the people actually making the decisions at Houston, SMU, and Tulsa want that? Do they get giddy at the idea of having to send their teams out there? SMU and Tulsa shared a conference with those schools and couldn’t wait to get back East. Houston didn’t consider it from the beginning. It’s a non-starter.
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(12-17-2020 07:29 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I still maintain that the best solution is for the AAC to add 3 Western members for all sports: BYU, Boise St, and AFA/SDSU.

You have the 3 newcomers join Wich St/Navy, Tulsa, SMU, and Houston in a West division.

With the best of the West now in the AAC it’s a de facto P6. Unless the MAC/SBC/C-USA/MWC produce an undefeated champ and the AAC champ has multiple losses the AAC champ is pretty much a lock for the NY6.

Elsewhere I had suggested that the AAC think bigger.

West: Army, Navy, Air Force, BYU, Boise, San Diego State, SMU and Houston

East: Cincinnati, Temple, East Carolina, UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulane and Tulsa

All the new adds and Navy are football only. The other ten schools, are all sports and Wichita State is Olympic Sports only.

This would likely require that ESPN guarantee the champion a seat at the NY6 table when the CFP deal is renegotiated.
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