(12-17-2020 09:26 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  BCS was 2/3 human.

I don't think originally it was that human biased but it was reformulated when some of the blue bloods got their feelings hurt. The major key for the BCS was the ability for two G5 teams to make an at large bid. The CFP simply eliminated a Power5 conference and made their bid the de-facto bridesmaid spot for G5 teams. This gave the others another spot to put a 3 or 4 loss team in. SMH. I remember when TCU and Boise both got into the Fiesta Bowl because the BCS formula guaranteed it. Now a group of people with special interest can arbitrarily bump you out because you conflict with their agenda.

clt says the top 8 teams should be chosen via computer using the following factors:

wins
loses
market
airport
light rail on campus
price of a t shirt
pristine creeks

Just listened to another Paul Finebaum interview, I never listen to the guy, I just happened to be changing my XM stations when he had another reporter on talking about this.

They basically said nothing is going to change because those in control are happy, obviously if you're a crook and you're getting away with it why would you want to stop?

Boycott the playoffs, don't watch it. They don't exist to me, until they get it right and include teams from our conferences, they can suck it.

(12-17-2020 03:54 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Just listened to another Paul Finebaum interview, I never listen to the guy, I just happened to be changing my XM stations when he had another reporter on talking about this.

They basically said nothing is going to change because those in control are happy, obviously if you're a crook and you're getting away with it why would you want to stop?

Boycott the playoffs, don't watch it. They don't exist to me, until they get it right and include teams from our conferences, they can suck it.

Why are the crooks? The Marshall and Western and the rest of the G5 Presidents voted to give them this power. Being fair has nothing to do with it and be honest when I ask you this question...

I believe you said you work for GM. Lets say your neighbor also works for GM and put in the same amount of hours as you. He's bringing home $500 a week less than you. After you going to give him $250 of your money...

he's working just as hard as you and putting in the same hours . Nope you are going to do whats best for you and your family. Are you a crook for not doing whats best for you? Like it or not these people are following the rules the rest of our schools, gave them the power to do. It just so happens they also get to make up the rules and change them as they see fit.

As for Boycott the playoffs, the amount of people that give a damn about the P5, doing whats fair. Or using one set of metrics for the P5, and another for the G5 .....

too small to be even noticed

Let me put it another way. Fans on this board value playing a middle of the pack P5 school in a bowl game over a CC. That most likely goes for every conference in the G5 . So are they really being unfair by only wanting P5 schools?

I dont get being upset because the P5 dont respect us when most G5 fans respect a middle of the pack P5 over every G5 when it comes to bowls. I personally liked Western playing one of the top 2 or 3 AAC rather than a 6-6 P5 in a bowl game. But some G5 fans want it both ways.

(12-17-2020 04:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 03:54 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Just listened to another Paul Finebaum interview, I never listen to the guy, I just happened to be changing my XM stations when he had another reporter on talking about this.

They basically said nothing is going to change because those in control are happy, obviously if you're a crook and you're getting away with it why would you want to stop?

Boycott the playoffs, don't watch it. They don't exist to me, until they get it right and include teams from our conferences, they can suck it.

Why are the crooks? The Marshall and Western and the rest of the G5 Presidents voted to give them this power. Being fair has nothing to do with it and be honest when I ask you this question...

I believe you said you work for GM. Lets say your neighbor also works for GM and put in the same amount of hours as you. He's bringing home $500 a week less than you. After you going to give him $250 of your money...

he's working just as hard as you and putting in the same hours . Nope you are going to do whats best for you and your family. Are you a crook for not doing whats best for you? Like it or not these people are following the rules the rest of our schools, gave them the power to do. It just so happens they also get to make up the rules and change them as they see fit.

As for Boycott the playoffs, the amount of people that give a damn about the P5, doing whats fair. Or using one set of metrics for the P5, and another for the G5 .....

too small to be even noticed

Let me put it another way. Fans on this board value playing a middle of the pack P5 school in a bowl game over a CC. That most likely goes for every conference in the G5 . So are they really being unfair by only wanting P5 schools?

I dont get being upset because the P5 dont respect us when most G5 fans respect a middle of the pack P5 over every G5 when it comes to bowls. I personally liked Western playing one of the top 2 or 3 AAC rather than a 6-6 P5 in a bowl game. But some G5 fans want it both ways.

Your position on this is spot on. For some reason your analogy reminds me of when we constantly hear the Chinese are stealing the intellectual property from American companies doing business in China. They aren’t stealing, the American companies agreed in order to gain access to their market. Now we turn around and claim they are stealing. The G5 schools agreed to this because it was the best offer on the table. You can’t be a tough negotiator when you have nothing to negotiate with.

As stated earlier based on the viewers early in this season the P5 hold the cards and they know. No one cares if a few G5 fans get all pissed off and don’t watch the playoffs.

I would love for someone to tell me how the G5 schools can force any type of change. If every G5 school said we aren’t playing until we get equal and fair representation they would just say ok, bye and close the door.

I believe that G5 Presidents have voted under presser from P5 schools out of fear that they would up and leave with all the money. Yes we agreed to to the deal, but so did Native Americans on every single treaty they signed with European Colonizers. As for the Chinese analogy that's hogwash too. You don't take into account a country's complete disregard for intellectual property and their propensity for corporate espionage.

(12-17-2020 05:46 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I believe that G5 Presidents have voted under presser from P5 schools out of fear that they would up and leave with all the money. Yes we agreed to to the deal, but so did Native Americans on every single treaty they signed with European Colonizers. As for the Chinese analogy that's hogwash too. You don't take into account a country's complete disregard for intellectual property and their propensity for corporate espionage.

Quite obvious you just don’t get it.

(12-17-2020 04:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 03:54 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Just listened to another Paul Finebaum interview, I never listen to the guy, I just happened to be changing my XM stations when he had another reporter on talking about this.

They basically said nothing is going to change because those in control are happy, obviously if you're a crook and you're getting away with it why would you want to stop?

Boycott the playoffs, don't watch it. They don't exist to me, until they get it right and include teams from our conferences, they can suck it.

Why are the crooks? The Marshall and Western and the rest of the G5 Presidents voted to give them this power. Being fair has nothing to do with it and be honest when I ask you this question...

I believe you said you work for GM. Lets say your neighbor also works for GM and put in the same amount of hours as you. He's bringing home $500 a week less than you. After you going to give him $250 of your money...

he's working just as hard as you and putting in the same hours . Nope you are going to do whats best for you and your family. Are you a crook for not doing whats best for you? Like it or not these people are following the rules the rest of our schools, gave them the power to do. It just so happens they also get to make up the rules and change them as they see fit.

As for Boycott the playoffs, the amount of people that give a damn about the P5, doing whats fair. Or using one set of metrics for the P5, and another for the G5 .....

too small to be even noticed

Let me put it another way. Fans on this board value playing a middle of the pack P5 school in a bowl game over a CC. That most likely goes for every conference in the G5 . So are they really being unfair by only wanting P5 schools?

I dont get being upset because the P5 dont respect us when most G5 fans respect a middle of the pack P5 over every G5 when it comes to bowls. I personally liked Western playing one of the top 2 or 3 AAC rather than a 6-6 P5 in a bowl game. But some G5 fans want it both ways.

WKUYG, I am not a lawyer, but there are laws protecting employees from such scenarios. For example.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/a...pay-claims

Again, my stance is this.

I feel this committee has created a lack of confidence to the current contract, as it is presented. The schools affected have the right to bring a legal claim against the NCAA in breach of contract. Considering the committee represents the NCAA in this case, and each FBS school agreed upon this current deal, I think there is sufficient evidence to claim breach of contract. There is NO path for a team at our level to access this playoff.

I am just a dude on a message board, and your right, my protest may not matter, but it matters to me. My confidence in this system is broken. I will root for Marshall and the other schools in this conference. I will follow whomever gets the NY6, and root for their upset.

There is a path. Basically schedule Ohio state, alabama, Clemson, and Georgia, and beat them all on the road, and win all your conference games by 30+. If that happens, they’d have to give you the 4 seed.

This guy heads the CFP committee. Executive Director Bill Hancock.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/staff...hancock/11


Here are the members. Note, there is only one G5 connection, University of Wyoming AD Tom Burman.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/news/...-2021.aspx


Finally, most laughably, here was a direct quote from their site.

"The playoff is a phenomenal success." Absolute joke.

(12-17-2020 06:08 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 04:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 03:54 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Just listened to another Paul Finebaum interview, I never listen to the guy, I just happened to be changing my XM stations when he had another reporter on talking about this.

They basically said nothing is going to change because those in control are happy, obviously if you're a crook and you're getting away with it why would you want to stop?

Boycott the playoffs, don't watch it. They don't exist to me, until they get it right and include teams from our conferences, they can suck it.

Why are the crooks? The Marshall and Western and the rest of the G5 Presidents voted to give them this power. Being fair has nothing to do with it and be honest when I ask you this question...

I believe you said you work for GM. Lets say your neighbor also works for GM and put in the same amount of hours as you. He's bringing home $500 a week less than you. After you going to give him $250 of your money...

he's working just as hard as you and putting in the same hours . Nope you are going to do whats best for you and your family. Are you a crook for not doing whats best for you? Like it or not these people are following the rules the rest of our schools, gave them the power to do. It just so happens they also get to make up the rules and change them as they see fit.

As for Boycott the playoffs, the amount of people that give a damn about the P5, doing whats fair. Or using one set of metrics for the P5, and another for the G5 .....

too small to be even noticed

Let me put it another way. Fans on this board value playing a middle of the pack P5 school in a bowl game over a CC. That most likely goes for every conference in the G5 . So are they really being unfair by only wanting P5 schools?

I dont get being upset because the P5 dont respect us when most G5 fans respect a middle of the pack P5 over every G5 when it comes to bowls. I personally liked Western playing one of the top 2 or 3 AAC rather than a 6-6 P5 in a bowl game. But some G5 fans want it both ways.

WKUYG, I am not a lawyer, but there are laws protecting employees from such scenarios. For example.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/a...pay-claims

Again, my stance is this.

I feel this committee has created a lack of confidence to the current contract, as it is presented. The schools affected have the right to bring a legal claim against the NCAA in breach of contract. Considering the committee represents the NCAA in this case, and each FBS school agreed upon this current deal, I think there is sufficient evidence to claim breach of contract. There is NO path for a team at our level to access this playoff.

I am just a dude on a message board, and your right, my protest may not matter, but it matters to me. My confidence in this system is broken. I will root for Marshall and the other schools in this conference. I will follow whomever gets the NY6, and root for their upset.

I'm not even disagreeing with you on your feelings or that it should be different. Like you i'm going to be pulling for CC if they get a NY6 game. I personally would like to see them in one.

Where I disagree is you think its its against some law or a court could change the way things are ran. Our schools signed up for the P5 to control the outcome of who plays in the big money bowls.

Unless those president are true idiots they knew what was going to happen when they signed giving the P5 voting control. Not one of us would think CC should be in over our team if we were a P5 school looking to get that spot.

So in that regard we are no different than those being called crooks. But you knew this was going to happen a week to ten days ago because you even said that CC best bowl out come would probably be playing Marshall.

(12-17-2020 08:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 06:08 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 04:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 03:54 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Just listened to another Paul Finebaum interview, I never listen to the guy, I just happened to be changing my XM stations when he had another reporter on talking about this.

They basically said nothing is going to change because those in control are happy, obviously if you're a crook and you're getting away with it why would you want to stop?

Boycott the playoffs, don't watch it. They don't exist to me, until they get it right and include teams from our conferences, they can suck it.

Why are the crooks? The Marshall and Western and the rest of the G5 Presidents voted to give them this power. Being fair has nothing to do with it and be honest when I ask you this question...

I believe you said you work for GM. Lets say your neighbor also works for GM and put in the same amount of hours as you. He's bringing home $500 a week less than you. After you going to give him $250 of your money...

he's working just as hard as you and putting in the same hours . Nope you are going to do whats best for you and your family. Are you a crook for not doing whats best for you? Like it or not these people are following the rules the rest of our schools, gave them the power to do. It just so happens they also get to make up the rules and change them as they see fit.

As for Boycott the playoffs, the amount of people that give a damn about the P5, doing whats fair. Or using one set of metrics for the P5, and another for the G5 .....

too small to be even noticed

Let me put it another way. Fans on this board value playing a middle of the pack P5 school in a bowl game over a CC. That most likely goes for every conference in the G5 . So are they really being unfair by only wanting P5 schools?

I dont get being upset because the P5 dont respect us when most G5 fans respect a middle of the pack P5 over every G5 when it comes to bowls. I personally liked Western playing one of the top 2 or 3 AAC rather than a 6-6 P5 in a bowl game. But some G5 fans want it both ways.

WKUYG, I am not a lawyer, but there are laws protecting employees from such scenarios. For example.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/a...pay-claims

Again, my stance is this.

I feel this committee has created a lack of confidence to the current contract, as it is presented. The schools affected have the right to bring a legal claim against the NCAA in breach of contract. Considering the committee represents the NCAA in this case, and each FBS school agreed upon this current deal, I think there is sufficient evidence to claim breach of contract. There is NO path for a team at our level to access this playoff.

I am just a dude on a message board, and your right, my protest may not matter, but it matters to me. My confidence in this system is broken. I will root for Marshall and the other schools in this conference. I will follow whomever gets the NY6, and root for their upset.

I'm not even disagreeing with you on your feelings or that it should be different. Like you i'm going to be pulling for CC if they get a NY6 game. I personally would like to see them in one.

Where I disagree is you think its its against some law or a court could change the way things are ran. Our schools signed up for the P5 to control the outcome of who plays in the big money bowls.

Unless those president are true idiots they knew what was going to happen when they signed giving the P5 voting control. Not one of us would think CC should be in over our team if we were a P5 school looking to get that spot.

So in that regard we are no different than those being called crooks. But you knew this was going to happen a week to ten days ago because you even said that CC best bowl out come would probably be playing Marshall.

Yeah, if we are lucky enough to get passed UAB, I still think Coastal Carolina is on a collision course with Marshall.

If not Marshall, I can absolutely see the CFP committee doubling down on its bias's and setting up a #9 Cincinnati vs #10 Coastal Carolina NY6 matchup to protect their precious P5 schools from playing our scary, scrubby and dirty G5's.

I would place Coastal Carolina's potential bowl opponents Marshall or Cincinnati at about an 80% chance.

(12-17-2020 06:08 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 04:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 03:54 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Just listened to another Paul Finebaum interview, I never listen to the guy, I just happened to be changing my XM stations when he had another reporter on talking about this.

They basically said nothing is going to change because those in control are happy, obviously if you're a crook and you're getting away with it why would you want to stop?

Boycott the playoffs, don't watch it. They don't exist to me, until they get it right and include teams from our conferences, they can suck it.

Why are the crooks? The Marshall and Western and the rest of the G5 Presidents voted to give them this power. Being fair has nothing to do with it and be honest when I ask you this question...

I believe you said you work for GM. Lets say your neighbor also works for GM and put in the same amount of hours as you. He's bringing home $500 a week less than you. After you going to give him $250 of your money...

he's working just as hard as you and putting in the same hours . Nope you are going to do whats best for you and your family. Are you a crook for not doing whats best for you? Like it or not these people are following the rules the rest of our schools, gave them the power to do. It just so happens they also get to make up the rules and change them as they see fit.

As for Boycott the playoffs, the amount of people that give a damn about the P5, doing whats fair. Or using one set of metrics for the P5, and another for the G5 .....

too small to be even noticed

Let me put it another way. Fans on this board value playing a middle of the pack P5 school in a bowl game over a CC. That most likely goes for every conference in the G5 . So are they really being unfair by only wanting P5 schools?

I dont get being upset because the P5 dont respect us when most G5 fans respect a middle of the pack P5 over every G5 when it comes to bowls. I personally liked Western playing one of the top 2 or 3 AAC rather than a 6-6 P5 in a bowl game. But some G5 fans want it both ways.

WKUYG, I am not a lawyer, but there are laws protecting employees from such scenarios. For example.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/a...pay-claims

Again, my stance is this.

I feel this committee has created a lack of confidence to the current contract, as it is presented. The schools affected have the right to bring a legal claim against the NCAA in breach of contract. Considering the committee represents the NCAA in this case, and each FBS school agreed upon this current deal, I think there is sufficient evidence to claim breach of contract. There is NO path for a team at our level to access this playoff.

I am just a dude on a message board, and your right, my protest may not matter, but it matters to me. My confidence in this system is broken. I will root for Marshall and the other schools in this conference. I will follow whomever gets the NY6, and root for their upset.

Thank you for my morning “the world is not fair so I’m gonna sue” laugh.

"The system is rigged. You signed up to the system knowing it was rigged, because you have no money to object to what is fair/right in the first place. You stupid, poor bastards; we laugh at your pathetic little undeserving programs." -Signed Kansas, Vanderbilt, Syracuse, Washington St,.. (you know, REAL athletics programs in P5 conferences!)

(12-17-2020 08:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 08:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 06:08 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 04:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 03:54 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Just listened to another Paul Finebaum interview, I never listen to the guy, I just happened to be changing my XM stations when he had another reporter on talking about this.

They basically said nothing is going to change because those in control are happy, obviously if you're a crook and you're getting away with it why would you want to stop?

Boycott the playoffs, don't watch it. They don't exist to me, until they get it right and include teams from our conferences, they can suck it.

Why are the crooks? The Marshall and Western and the rest of the G5 Presidents voted to give them this power. Being fair has nothing to do with it and be honest when I ask you this question...

I believe you said you work for GM. Lets say your neighbor also works for GM and put in the same amount of hours as you. He's bringing home $500 a week less than you. After you going to give him $250 of your money...

he's working just as hard as you and putting in the same hours . Nope you are going to do whats best for you and your family. Are you a crook for not doing whats best for you? Like it or not these people are following the rules the rest of our schools, gave them the power to do. It just so happens they also get to make up the rules and change them as they see fit.

As for Boycott the playoffs, the amount of people that give a damn about the P5, doing whats fair. Or using one set of metrics for the P5, and another for the G5 .....

too small to be even noticed

Let me put it another way. Fans on this board value playing a middle of the pack P5 school in a bowl game over a CC. That most likely goes for every conference in the G5 . So are they really being unfair by only wanting P5 schools?

I dont get being upset because the P5 dont respect us when most G5 fans respect a middle of the pack P5 over every G5 when it comes to bowls. I personally liked Western playing one of the top 2 or 3 AAC rather than a 6-6 P5 in a bowl game. But some G5 fans want it both ways.

WKUYG, I am not a lawyer, but there are laws protecting employees from such scenarios. For example.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/a...pay-claims

Again, my stance is this.

I feel this committee has created a lack of confidence to the current contract, as it is presented. The schools affected have the right to bring a legal claim against the NCAA in breach of contract. Considering the committee represents the NCAA in this case, and each FBS school agreed upon this current deal, I think there is sufficient evidence to claim breach of contract. There is NO path for a team at our level to access this playoff.

I am just a dude on a message board, and your right, my protest may not matter, but it matters to me. My confidence in this system is broken. I will root for Marshall and the other schools in this conference. I will follow whomever gets the NY6, and root for their upset.

I'm not even disagreeing with you on your feelings or that it should be different. Like you i'm going to be pulling for CC if they get a NY6 game. I personally would like to see them in one.

Where I disagree is you think its its against some law or a court could change the way things are ran. Our schools signed up for the P5 to control the outcome of who plays in the big money bowls.

Unless those president are true idiots they knew what was going to happen when they signed giving the P5 voting control. Not one of us would think CC should be in over our team if we were a P5 school looking to get that spot.

So in that regard we are no different than those being called crooks. But you knew this was going to happen a week to ten days ago because you even said that CC best bowl out come would probably be playing Marshall.

Yeah, if we are lucky enough to get passed UAB, I still think Coastal Carolina is on a collision course with Marshall.

If not Marshall, I can absolutely see the CFP committee doubling down on its bias's and setting up a #9 Cincinnati vs #10 Coastal Carolina NY6 matchup to protect their precious P5 schools from playing our scary, scrubby and dirty G5's.

I would place Coastal Carolina's potential bowl opponents Marshall or Cincinnati at about an 80% chance.

I hope Tulsa can knock Cincinnati off and Coastal gets that NY6 bid.