(12-15-2020 07:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Awww, here I was thinking it was only UC fans on this board who think they shouldn't have to play to prove it. Nothing but a bunch of bigger cry babies on twitter.

Here is the thing, don't cancel games because you are scared to play. You didn't just do it once, but twice. It's hilarious you all are upset the committee won't play along and expects you to actually play. You're not OSU lol you can't just play 3 games and make it in.

My god Tulsa fans are a bunch of babies

(12-15-2020 07:37 PM)Lurkercat Wrote:  I know this is a troll thread for uc fans, but I'm still baffled how both uc and tulsa get screwed. Uc sliding is more high profile rn because they're top 10, but how is tulsa still stuck in the low 20s? I really thought they'd be like 18 or so by now... Committee is so crooked it's disgusting

Imagine Louisiana each week looking up to see Iowa St. continue to rise, while Cajuns stand still at #19. at one point the committee said Iowa st.

(12-15-2020 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ive been saying for years the non-power schools will never see the playoff in the current configuration. You have about a dozen or so on the Committee, and all but a couple are strongly tied to the P5. They meet...they talk...they reach a "consensus" (in other words--they cut a deal or compromise), and then, once they have decided who's getting in---they only then think up some stat that would have all 4 in the final top 4.

On one hand, I agree with you that the backgrounds of the CFP committee members are far too tilted towards the P5. That is pretty obvious and it shouldn't be that way.

But on the other hand, it doesn't seem to have had much of an outcome-bias, because if we look at the teams chosen for the playoffs by the CFP, they are identical to the teams that a BCS formula would have selected, and the same as if we had used just the human polls to pick the teams.

Now, the Massey Composite has disagreed with the CFP on occasion, but never in any ways that people have found controversial. E.g., in 2014, when many thought TCU should have gotten in over Ohio State, the MC did say TCU should have gotten in - but instead of FSU, the only unbeaten team and the defending champ. In 2017, when there was controversy over Alabama getting in over Ohio State, the MC said Ohio State belonged - but instead of an Oklahoma team that had the same record and beat them head to head, not Alabama. And regarding the G5, the two unbeaten UCF teams in 2017 and 2018 were ranked 9 and 8 respectively so nowhere near the playoffs.

So while I agree that the CFP is very unbalanced between P5 and G5, its decisions don't reflect that bias, at least not compared to other entities. To the extent that there have been subjective biases (compared to computers) they have all involved P5 vs P5, not a case of a G5 getting left out.

That’s all fine an dandy re the top 4^^

Go back to the BCS system for all 25 teams. I’m seeing if you can find those rankings still this year.

(12-15-2020 07:55 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 07:37 PM)Lurkercat Wrote:  I know this is a troll thread for uc fans, but I'm still baffled how both uc and tulsa get screwed. Uc sliding is more high profile rn because they're top 10, but how is tulsa still stuck in the low 20s? I really thought they'd be like 18 or so by now... Committee is so crooked it's disgusting

Imagine Louisiana each week looking up to see Iowa St. continue to rise, while Cajuns stand still at #19. at one point the committee said Iowa st.

Yes this is probably more egregious. If a P5 had beaten the current #6, and their only loss was the current #12, they'd probably be too 8.

The cfp is a genius scam that keeps the g5 fighting each other for a single scrap instead of joining together to fight this trash. Coastal for example needs to stop comparing itself to Cincy, and start comparing itself to isu, uga, uf. They have a much better resume

(12-15-2020 07:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ive been saying for years the non-power schools will never see the playoff in the current configuration. You have about a dozen or so on the Committee, and all but a couple are strongly tied to the P5. They meet...they talk...they reach a "consensus" (in other words--they cut a deal or compromise), and then, once they have decided who's getting in---they only then think up some stat that would have all 4 in the final top 4.

On one hand, I agree with you that the backgrounds of the CFP committee members are far too tilted towards the P5. That is pretty obvious and it shouldn't be that way.

But on the other hand, it doesn't seem to have had much of an outcome-bias, because if we look at the teams chosen for the playoffs by the CFP, they are identical to the teams that a BCS formula would have selected, and the same as if we had used just the human polls to pick the teams.

Now, the Massey Composite has disagreed with the CFP on occasion, but never in any ways that people have found controversial. E.g., in 2014, when many thought TCU should have gotten in over Ohio State, the MC did say TCU should have gotten in - but instead of FSU, the only unbeaten team and the defending champ. In 2017, when there was controversy over Alabama getting in over Ohio State, the MC said Ohio State belonged - but instead of an Oklahoma team that had the same record and beat them head to head, not Alabama. UCF, the only unbeaten team, was not in the equation either.

So while I agree that the CFP is very unbalanced between P5 and G5, its decisions don't reflect that bias, at least not compared to other entities.

I’m not even sure it’s a P5 vs. G5 thing, I think it’s a name/brand thing.

Indiana, a one loss (in a close game on the road to a team the committee has deemed playoff worthy) Big ten team and ranked behind 4 other 2 loss teams.

3 of those teams happen to be Oklahoma, Georgia, and Florida despite massively flawed resumes. Three of the biggest brands in football. Iowa State is only up there so they can move Oklahoma up farther when they beat Iowa State Saturday.

Alabama
Notre Dame
Clemson
Ohio State
Florida
Georgia
Oklahoma

They’re just missing Michigan and Texas from competing from having their perfect scenario.

(12-15-2020 07:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Awww, here I was thinking it was only UC fans on this board who think they shouldn't have to play to prove it. Nothing but a bunch of bigger cry babies on twitter.

Here is the thing, don't cancel games because you are scared to play. You didn't just do it once, but twice. It's hilarious you all are upset the committee won't play along and expects you to actually play. You're not OSU lol you can't just play 3 games and make it in.

Good lord tin foil hat guy. You need a hobby. Embarrassing yourself on a message board is clownish. Get some rest.

Cincinnati drops to #9...must mean there is serious talk of a COVID year expansion to an eight team CFP.

LOL

Coastal Conway right on their heels.

I think a dominating win over 19 should get Coastal over UC and its 8 game superspreader schedule.

I applaud the committee

The number of games that the team is prepared for is important.

Coastal Conway has a more disciplined program and played a tougher Schedule. UC's toughest game was Army.

Covington clearly dodged the toughest game on its schedule not once but twice.

They deserve this.

I think we should sue. It’s a cartel. This is about money and nothing else

Cure Bowl is gonna be the greatest melt in UC history.

I think the Tulsa fans think this is how you manufacture a "rivalry." Maybe it's because they've never really had a real rivalry...I don't know. But it's like they think that if they're obnoxious enough and get enough people to "not like them" then they have a "rivalry."

Sorry to break it you, but you're just annoying. After this game is over, I won't care about what excuse for a bowl game Tulsa actually draws. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, Tulsa could not go bowling at all and I'd be fine with that. Or maybe you'll luck out into a decent game like the Military Bowl in Annapolis and some random ACC team will destroy you. Also, fine by me. Tulsa will always be...Tulsa...and all you Okies will still be stuck in Oklahoma.

Enjoy your five minutes of fun because the Bearcats will not let you enjoy Saturday night. And after this game is over and the "Golden Hurricane" mopes back to Tulsa and unranked hell, you can go bother some other fanbase and try to make a "rivalry" somewhere else.

Buh-bye.

That was a pretty good melt.

(12-15-2020 07:36 PM)Acres Wrote:  At this point , Aresco and other group of five conferences presidents have to come out full throttle and claim the truth. Their is corruption in the committee and this should be clear evidence of that.

Aresco needs to be on the phone every week with Larry Scott, the Pac-12 commish.

(12-15-2020 07:31 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 07:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Awww, here I was thinking it was only UC fans on this board who think they shouldn't have to play to prove it. Nothing but a bunch of bigger cry babies on twitter.

Here is the thing, don't cancel games because you are scared to play. You didn't just do it once, but twice. It's hilarious you all are upset the committee won't play along and expects you to actually play. You're not OSU lol you can't just play 3 games and make it in.

Tulsa fans are by far the most obnoxious fan base on this board. Really wish we hadn't added your tiny ass school that adds nothing to our bottom line or reputation. Enjoy your Cinderella season. You're in for a rude awakening on Saturday.

USFFan

I'm torn.

One half of me likes seeing new teams go on a nice conference run. Tulsa have improved GREATLY this year.

One half of me is nervous about how much damage a Tulsa win does to the conference brand. Tulsa needed a hail mary to beat a 6-5 Tulane at home AND needed ref help away to ECU.

Here's the ugly part: this COVID year is going to win Monty 4-5 more years at Tulsa, and prior to this year he was a 4-8ish coach at best that was past the "sell by date".

Tulsa is a good school and does more with less. Congrats to them on a really good season.

Don't judge an entire fan base just because a couple of know-it-all jerks like to act like douches on a message board. I have been to a number of games at Tulsa and have found the Hurricane fans I have met to be really nice folks.

How in the world any AAC team fan could laugh about the conference getting screwed over is just beyond me.

If we'd have beaten Toolsa saturday... we'd be 24th.

(12-15-2020 09:22 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 07:31 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 07:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Awww, here I was thinking it was only UC fans on this board who think they shouldn't have to play to prove it. Nothing but a bunch of bigger cry babies on twitter.

Here is the thing, don't cancel games because you are scared to play. You didn't just do it once, but twice. It's hilarious you all are upset the committee won't play along and expects you to actually play. You're not OSU lol you can't just play 3 games and make it in.

Tulsa fans are by far the most obnoxious fan base on this board. Really wish we hadn't added your tiny ass school that adds nothing to our bottom line or reputation. Enjoy your Cinderella season. You're in for a rude awakening on Saturday.

USFFan

You gotta admit Tulsa fans terrorizing this board and trolling Cincy is a once in a generation spectacle.

Just bask in the wonder of it all.