Getting absolutely destroyed in the boards. Should I just proactively drop in the “this is the way coach is going to play get used to it?” At this point we would have been better staying on the bus. EZU second half turn around!m? We’ll need it


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So far Siddle has made good adjustments at the half. Let's see what he comes up with tonight to make this respectable.

Reading the comments is comical.

Siddle inherited one of our worst teams, coached by our worst coach ever. His starting PG, who made all the difference last year, hasn't played a game yet. He didn't have any sort of off season to implement an entirely new system and y'all are abandoning ship already.

GTFOH

No one is abandoning ship. Just saying, well, we needed more size.... again


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(12-12-2020 06:07 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  No one is abandoning ship. Just saying, well, we needed more size.... again


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Well, i'm sure Siddle had his choice of quality big men to choose from across the country who were interested in joining the powerhouse UNCW squad he inherited. Freshman recruits who can contribute immediately and high level transfers were ready to go I heard. He must have refused to bring them in.

Up until now “ he didn’t need them” now he couldn’t get them.... got it


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I'm very optimistic about the Siddle era. But living and dying with a 4-guard lineup clearly comes with a cost at this level of basketball. It's a trade-off I'm more than willing to make if we can compete at a high level in the CAA in the early years of the Siddle era, much like under Keatts.

But if the ultimate goal is to not only win the CAA but to win an NCAA Tournament game (say, 4 years from now), like Keatts wasn't able to do, then days like these certainly highlight what we'd need to get out of that 4-guard style in order to win at the highest level.

(12-12-2020 06:15 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Up until now “ he didn’t need them” now he couldn’t get them.... got it


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lol. Who said he didn't need them? I suppose he could have canned Dodd and Bowden his first year here and tried to get two other big men. But I thought that was frowned upon when Keatts did it? He only has so many scholarships, how many should be for big men when we run a four guard offense? He brought in Steere, and i'm not sure why he isn't playing, but I have confidence in Siddle that it is for a reason.

What players that he's brought in would you prefer we didn't have in order to have a fourth big man? Pridgen, Harvey, Carr? Don't forget, we have Jenkins on scholarship thanks to stupidity and Estime who went out injured. Use some common sense here instead of emotional outbursts.

Nobody is abandoning ship. It’s perfectly okay to be critical of decisions in one hand while still supporting the coach and team with both.




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(12-12-2020 06:21 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I'm very optimistic about the Siddle era. But living and dying with a 4-guard lineup clearly comes with a cost at this level of basketball. It's a trade-off I'm more than willing to make if we can compete at a high level in the CAA in the early years of the Siddle era, much like under Keatts.

But if the ultimate goal is to not only win the CAA but to win an NCAA Tournament game (say, 4 years from now), like Keatts wasn't able to do, then days like these certainly highlight what we'd need to get out of that 4-guard style in order to win at the highest level.

I doubt Siddle is unaware. But it's his first year, and he had to recruit to a really bad team. Big men aren't just falling out of trees for crappy mid majors, so take the best players you can get, regardless of position. Steere is about as good as we could ask for to get an immediate impact.

Just a reminder, does anyone remember the recruiting class that was incoming when Keatts left? It TAKES TIME to build from a really bad team. Not to mention, He would have had Cacok and Bryce two more years. Our biggest mistake wasn't recruiting big men, it was letting Siddle go to NCSU instead of hiring him as HC. We were on our way to the next level, and I can't believe anyone is questioning that.

1. We had a big man. He’s currently playing for another team this year and doing fairly well.

2. Jenkins should NOT still be on scholarship. That’s nothing against his character, he simply doesn’t have the skill to be on scholarship at a school with athletic budget issues.

3. I do recall someone here saying we don’t need big men, specifically referencing the Keatts era. Like I did above, I’m simply reminding some here that while we enjoyed CAA success, Keatts lack of big men kept us from winning an NCAAT game. It was also his lack of scheme changes in-game, but that’s another story for another day, which also goes back to coaching criticism. Point being, we might be able to beat a bunch of mid majors with this style of basketball, but we will always get our **** packed against good P6 teams. That’s the truth, it doesn’t matter if you don’t want to hear it.


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(12-12-2020 06:34 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Nobody is abandoning ship. It’s perfectly okay to be critical of decisions in one hand while still supporting the coach and team with both.




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Kind of early, dontcha' think? Dude hasn't even had a full roster yet and his starting PG, who is far better than any other we have, hasn't played a game yet.

(12-12-2020 06:42 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(12-12-2020 06:34 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Nobody is abandoning ship. It’s perfectly okay to be critical of decisions in one hand while still supporting the coach and team with both.




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Kind of early, dontcha' think? Dude hasn't even had a full roster yet and his starting PG, who is far better than any other we have, hasn't played a game yet.

No. I don’t think anything I’ve pointed out so far is unfair regardless. Most notably the in-game coaching decisions. Steere played a number of minutes against a crappy D2 squad. He hasn’t played at all today in a game in which we are vastly out-sized and can’t buy rebounds. Getting hammered by 20 now with 5 min remaining and he still hasn’t seen the court.

That’s not good coaching, IMO. Sorry. It’s not too early to state the obvious.


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I don’t have my computer with me nor the time to go back hunting . But I can say with 100% certainty on numerous occasions you stated we didn’t need big men for our system ...... etc etc


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(12-12-2020 06:40 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  1. We had a big man. He’s currently playing for another team this year and doing fairly well.

2. Jenkins should NOT still be on scholarship. That’s nothing against his character, he simply doesn’t have the skill to be on scholarship at a school with athletic budget issues.

3. I do recall someone here saying we don’t need big men, specifically referencing the Keatts era. Like I did above, I’m simply reminding some here that while we enjoyed CAA success, Keatts lack of big men kept us from winning an NCAAT game. It was also his lack of scheme changes in-game, but that’s another story for another day, which also goes back to coaching criticism. Point being, we might be able to beat a bunch of mid majors with this style of basketball, but we will always get our **** packed against good P6 teams. That’s the truth, it doesn’t matter if you don’t want to hear it.


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Further to this, we don’t have probably the best rebounder in this squad to offset the size


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It's going to be close here at the end in terms of beating the spread....

78-58 final. We didn't cover the spread.

(12-12-2020 06:40 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  1. We had a big man. He’s currently playing for another team this year and doing fairly well.

2. Jenkins should NOT still be on scholarship. That’s nothing against his character, he simply doesn’t have the skill to be on scholarship at a school with athletic budget issues.

3. I do recall someone here saying we don’t need big men, specifically referencing the Keatts era. Like I did above, I’m simply reminding some here that while we enjoyed CAA success, Keatts lack of big men kept us from winning an NCAAT game. It was also his lack of scheme changes in-game, but that’s another story for another day, which also goes back to coaching criticism. Point being, we might be able to beat a bunch of mid majors with this style of basketball, but we will always get our **** packed against good P6 teams. That’s the truth, it doesn’t matter if you don’t want to hear it.


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Kept us from winning an NCAA tournament game....really? He was here three freakin' years total. Went to the NCAA his last two years BEFORE one of the best big men in the history of the CAA was even a junior. And that "small ball" forced UVA to sit their big man, because we were destroying them. We had a "big man" against Duke, but we came in as a low seed, from a crappy CAA, and had to play Duke and UVA as a result. Our only win in the NCAA, ever, was as a 13 seed against a weak USC team from the Pac 10.

What this is making ME remember, is how spoiled and unrealistic UNCW fans are. We're actually complaining about a coach who took an awful team to a tie for conference champs the first year after Buzz, then won the conference two years in a row and won the CAA tournament two years in a row and on to the NCAA. Cacok wasn't even on the team until his second year. Complaining why? Because we got to the NCAA, but didn't win one of two games we played. Games that we were in until the last few minutes.

You need to put your W&M hat on for a minute, and complain about the ability for them to "win" an NCAA game.

(12-12-2020 06:59 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  78-58 final. We didn't cover the spread.

Alright. Time to pony up. Who took the gambling advice?


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UNCW fans? Spoiled? Please. We lived through the Benny Moss and CB eras. We also watched two of our conference mates make Final 4 runs while we, unfortunately, lost heart-breakers in the NCAA Tournament at every turn.

Shooting for the ultimate goal of winning one, just one, NCAA Tournament game is not unrealistic or overly ambitious. And it's not unreasonable to be looking for clues already to see if our new HC could be the guy to get us there. We root for a quality program and want quality results. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

No one is jumping ship, no one is being overly critical of our new HC. As I recall, 82, you wanted us to hire Burke over Siddle at HC. I was on the other side of the coin. So if I'm on your list of "spoiled" Seahawk fans, you're barking up the wrong tree there. You also predicted we'd only lose by 5 today while the rest of us were a lot more realistic.

This will all take time and that's perfectly acceptable. Getting Phillips back will be crucial to any success we have in this first season. But some of the small, in-game decisions made can certainly be questioned a bit.