(09-28-2021 02:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:02 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  https://youtu.be/bKR6UHw5sBs

I guess they, Colbert, and you missed the parts of the report that dramatically increased the numbers of explicit mismatches and errors in mail in ballots --

23,344 mail-in ballots were received from voters’ previous addresses (illegal ballots)

10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than noted as received

2,592 more duplicate ballots than original ballots sent to duplication.

2,382 in-person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County.

2,081 voters who moved out of state during the 29-day period preceding the election.

17,322 duplicates were found, with some voters having cast the same ballot three to four times.

For the ballots that didnt suffer those issues (and there is no way to know how the above voted, mind you), the actual tally did increase Biden's win total by a little under 1,000 votes.

But , if you are going to crow about those results, at least know and address the underlying very serious issues that the audit brought to the fore.

That seems to be a problem with letting Colbert be your news anchor of choice, mind you.

Responses to a number of those claims from Maricopa County officials:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...848270001/

Regarding the illegal ballot claim:

Quote:The only "critical" claim that Cyber Ninjas identified in its report was that 23,344 voters had their ballots mailed to old addresses.

The county cites numerous legal reasons why this would be the case, including if the voter is in the military, if the voters recently moved and hadn't updated their driver's license address, or had requested a one-time temporary address request.

Cyber Ninjas used a commercial database service called Melissa to try to find voters' addresses and compare them with the voters' addresses in the county's database. They used this method to identify several discrepancies, including voters they claimed had moved out of state before they voted and people who had died before they voted.

But that database is not always accurate and does not always have all voter information. The contractors admitted as much when, later in their report, they noted that they couldn’t locate information for about 86,391 voters using the service.

Or, ya know, just drink the conspiracy stuff from a water hose.

(09-28-2021 04:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 02:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:02 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  https://youtu.be/bKR6UHw5sBs

I guess they, Colbert, and you missed the parts of the report that dramatically increased the numbers of explicit mismatches and errors in mail in ballots --

23,344 mail-in ballots were received from voters’ previous addresses (illegal ballots)

10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than noted as received

2,592 more duplicate ballots than original ballots sent to duplication.

2,382 in-person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County.

2,081 voters who moved out of state during the 29-day period preceding the election.

17,322 duplicates were found, with some voters having cast the same ballot three to four times.

For the ballots that didnt suffer those issues (and there is no way to know how the above voted, mind you), the actual tally did increase Biden's win total by a little under 1,000 votes.

But , if you are going to crow about those results, at least know and address the underlying very serious issues that the audit brought to the fore.

That seems to be a problem with letting Colbert be your news anchor of choice, mind you.

Responses to a number of those claims from Maricopa County officials:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...848270001/

Regarding the illegal ballot claim:

Quote:The only "critical" claim that Cyber Ninjas identified in its report was that 23,344 voters had their ballots mailed to old addresses.

The county cites numerous legal reasons why this would be the case, including if the voter is in the military, if the voters recently moved and hadn't updated their driver's license address, or had requested a one-time temporary address request.

Cyber Ninjas used a commercial database service called Melissa to try to find voters' addresses and compare them with the voters' addresses in the county's database. They used this method to identify several discrepancies, including voters they claimed had moved out of state before they voted and people who had died before they voted.

But that database is not always accurate and does not always have all voter information. The contractors admitted as much when, later in their report, they noted that they couldn’t locate information for about 86,391 voters using the service.

Or, ya know, just drink the conspiracy stuff from a water hose.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...-by-point/

(09-28-2021 04:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 02:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:02 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  https://youtu.be/bKR6UHw5sBs

I guess they, Colbert, and you missed the parts of the report that dramatically increased the numbers of explicit mismatches and errors in mail in ballots --

23,344 mail-in ballots were received from voters’ previous addresses (illegal ballots)

10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than noted as received

2,592 more duplicate ballots than original ballots sent to duplication.

2,382 in-person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County.

2,081 voters who moved out of state during the 29-day period preceding the election.

17,322 duplicates were found, with some voters having cast the same ballot three to four times.

For the ballots that didnt suffer those issues (and there is no way to know how the above voted, mind you), the actual tally did increase Biden's win total by a little under 1,000 votes.

But , if you are going to crow about those results, at least know and address the underlying very serious issues that the audit brought to the fore.

That seems to be a problem with letting Colbert be your news anchor of choice, mind you.

Responses to a number of those claims from Maricopa County officials:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...848270001/

Regarding the illegal ballot claim:

Quote:The only "critical" claim that Cyber Ninjas identified in its report was that 23,344 voters had their ballots mailed to old addresses.

The county cites numerous legal reasons why this would be the case, including if the voter is in the military, if the voters recently moved and hadn't updated their driver's license address, or had requested a one-time temporary address request.

Cyber Ninjas used a commercial database service called Melissa to try to find voters' addresses and compare them with the voters' addresses in the county's database. They used this method to identify several discrepancies, including voters they claimed had moved out of state before they voted and people who had died before they voted.

But that database is not always accurate and does not always have all voter information. The contractors admitted as much when, later in their report, they noted that they couldn’t locate information for about 86,391 voters using the service.

Or, ya know, just drink the conspiracy stuff from a water hose.

I am just denoting the discrepancies that they found. And noting the fury that you seemingly feel the need to stamp out.

No matter how much you flail your arms, there are discrepancies. A whole fkload of them. When one reads the vaunted link you provide, it amounts to 'no one really knows'.

Funny that. But, apparently the issue of discrepancies of this magnitude you are fit and fiddle to fight on Suribachi for, denoting mere mention of them as 'conspiracy stuff from a water hose'.

I personally would like to know more. I guess you do not. Sounds like fun. Go git 'em pardner.....

(09-28-2021 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 02:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:02 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  https://youtu.be/bKR6UHw5sBs

I guess they, Colbert, and you missed the parts of the report that dramatically increased the numbers of explicit mismatches and errors in mail in ballots --

23,344 mail-in ballots were received from voters’ previous addresses (illegal ballots)

10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than noted as received

2,592 more duplicate ballots than original ballots sent to duplication.

2,382 in-person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County.

2,081 voters who moved out of state during the 29-day period preceding the election.

17,322 duplicates were found, with some voters having cast the same ballot three to four times.

For the ballots that didnt suffer those issues (and there is no way to know how the above voted, mind you), the actual tally did increase Biden's win total by a little under 1,000 votes.

But , if you are going to crow about those results, at least know and address the underlying very serious issues that the audit brought to the fore.

That seems to be a problem with letting Colbert be your news anchor of choice, mind you.

Responses to a number of those claims from Maricopa County officials:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...848270001/

Regarding the illegal ballot claim:

Quote:The only "critical" claim that Cyber Ninjas identified in its report was that 23,344 voters had their ballots mailed to old addresses.

The county cites numerous legal reasons why this would be the case, including if the voter is in the military, if the voters recently moved and hadn't updated their driver's license address, or had requested a one-time temporary address request.

Cyber Ninjas used a commercial database service called Melissa to try to find voters' addresses and compare them with the voters' addresses in the county's database. They used this method to identify several discrepancies, including voters they claimed had moved out of state before they voted and people who had died before they voted.

But that database is not always accurate and does not always have all voter information. The contractors admitted as much when, later in their report, they noted that they couldn’t locate information for about 86,391 voters using the service.

Or, ya know, just drink the conspiracy stuff from a water hose.

I am just denoting the discrepancies that they found. And noting the fury that you seemingly feel the need to stamp out.

No matter how much you flail your arms, there are discrepancies. A whole fkload of them. When one reads the vaunted link you provide, it amounts to 'no one really knows'.

Funny that. But, apparently the issue of discrepancies of this magnitude you are fit and fiddle to fight on Suribachi for, denoting mere mention of them as 'conspiracy stuff from a water hose'.

I personally would like to know more. I guess you do not. Sounds like fun. Go git 'em pardner.....

What’s it like relying on hyperbole and intentional exaggerations to make your points?

(09-28-2021 05:08 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 02:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:02 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  https://youtu.be/bKR6UHw5sBs

I guess they, Colbert, and you missed the parts of the report that dramatically increased the numbers of explicit mismatches and errors in mail in ballots --

23,344 mail-in ballots were received from voters’ previous addresses (illegal ballots)

10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than noted as received

2,592 more duplicate ballots than original ballots sent to duplication.

2,382 in-person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County.

2,081 voters who moved out of state during the 29-day period preceding the election.

17,322 duplicates were found, with some voters having cast the same ballot three to four times.

For the ballots that didnt suffer those issues (and there is no way to know how the above voted, mind you), the actual tally did increase Biden's win total by a little under 1,000 votes.

But , if you are going to crow about those results, at least know and address the underlying very serious issues that the audit brought to the fore.

That seems to be a problem with letting Colbert be your news anchor of choice, mind you.

Responses to a number of those claims from Maricopa County officials:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...848270001/

Regarding the illegal ballot claim:

Quote:The only "critical" claim that Cyber Ninjas identified in its report was that 23,344 voters had their ballots mailed to old addresses.

The county cites numerous legal reasons why this would be the case, including if the voter is in the military, if the voters recently moved and hadn't updated their driver's license address, or had requested a one-time temporary address request.

Cyber Ninjas used a commercial database service called Melissa to try to find voters' addresses and compare them with the voters' addresses in the county's database. They used this method to identify several discrepancies, including voters they claimed had moved out of state before they voted and people who had died before they voted.

But that database is not always accurate and does not always have all voter information. The contractors admitted as much when, later in their report, they noted that they couldn’t locate information for about 86,391 voters using the service.

Or, ya know, just drink the conspiracy stuff from a water hose.

I am just denoting the discrepancies that they found. And noting the fury that you seemingly feel the need to stamp out.

No matter how much you flail your arms, there are discrepancies. A whole fkload of them. When one reads the vaunted link you provide, it amounts to 'no one really knows'.

Funny that. But, apparently the issue of discrepancies of this magnitude you are fit and fiddle to fight on Suribachi for, denoting mere mention of them as 'conspiracy stuff from a water hose'.

I personally would like to know more. I guess you do not. Sounds like fun. Go git 'em pardner.....

What’s it like relying on hyperbole and intentional exaggerations to make your points?

Pot, kettle

(09-28-2021 05:08 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 02:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:02 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  https://youtu.be/bKR6UHw5sBs

I guess they, Colbert, and you missed the parts of the report that dramatically increased the numbers of explicit mismatches and errors in mail in ballots --

23,344 mail-in ballots were received from voters’ previous addresses (illegal ballots)

10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than noted as received

2,592 more duplicate ballots than original ballots sent to duplication.

2,382 in-person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County.

2,081 voters who moved out of state during the 29-day period preceding the election.

17,322 duplicates were found, with some voters having cast the same ballot three to four times.

For the ballots that didnt suffer those issues (and there is no way to know how the above voted, mind you), the actual tally did increase Biden's win total by a little under 1,000 votes.

But , if you are going to crow about those results, at least know and address the underlying very serious issues that the audit brought to the fore.

That seems to be a problem with letting Colbert be your news anchor of choice, mind you.

Responses to a number of those claims from Maricopa County officials:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...848270001/

Regarding the illegal ballot claim:

Quote:The only "critical" claim that Cyber Ninjas identified in its report was that 23,344 voters had their ballots mailed to old addresses.

The county cites numerous legal reasons why this would be the case, including if the voter is in the military, if the voters recently moved and hadn't updated their driver's license address, or had requested a one-time temporary address request.

Cyber Ninjas used a commercial database service called Melissa to try to find voters' addresses and compare them with the voters' addresses in the county's database. They used this method to identify several discrepancies, including voters they claimed had moved out of state before they voted and people who had died before they voted.

But that database is not always accurate and does not always have all voter information. The contractors admitted as much when, later in their report, they noted that they couldn’t locate information for about 86,391 voters using the service.

Or, ya know, just drink the conspiracy stuff from a water hose.

I am just denoting the discrepancies that they found. And noting the fury that you seemingly feel the need to stamp out.

No matter how much you flail your arms, there are discrepancies. A whole fkload of them. When one reads the vaunted link you provide, it amounts to 'no one really knows'.

Funny that. But, apparently the issue of discrepancies of this magnitude you are fit and fiddle to fight on Suribachi for, denoting mere mention of them as 'conspiracy stuff from a water hose'.

I personally would like to know more. I guess you do not. Sounds like fun. Go git 'em pardner.....

What’s it like relying on hyperbole and intentional exaggerations to make your points?

I dont know, perhaps you tell me Mr 'only thing about capitalism', and Mr 'how dare you say socialist when that word isnt used', and Mr 'lets just make up a whole passle of **** and say that someone said it' from the the other thread.

Kind of humorous puerile response there, lad. Go git, em.

(09-28-2021 05:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 05:08 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 02:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess they, Colbert, and you missed the parts of the report that dramatically increased the numbers of explicit mismatches and errors in mail in ballots --

23,344 mail-in ballots were received from voters’ previous addresses (illegal ballots)

10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than noted as received

2,592 more duplicate ballots than original ballots sent to duplication.

2,382 in-person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County.

2,081 voters who moved out of state during the 29-day period preceding the election.

17,322 duplicates were found, with some voters having cast the same ballot three to four times.

For the ballots that didnt suffer those issues (and there is no way to know how the above voted, mind you), the actual tally did increase Biden's win total by a little under 1,000 votes.

But , if you are going to crow about those results, at least know and address the underlying very serious issues that the audit brought to the fore.

That seems to be a problem with letting Colbert be your news anchor of choice, mind you.

Responses to a number of those claims from Maricopa County officials:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...848270001/

Regarding the illegal ballot claim:

Quote:The only "critical" claim that Cyber Ninjas identified in its report was that 23,344 voters had their ballots mailed to old addresses.

The county cites numerous legal reasons why this would be the case, including if the voter is in the military, if the voters recently moved and hadn't updated their driver's license address, or had requested a one-time temporary address request.

Cyber Ninjas used a commercial database service called Melissa to try to find voters' addresses and compare them with the voters' addresses in the county's database. They used this method to identify several discrepancies, including voters they claimed had moved out of state before they voted and people who had died before they voted.

But that database is not always accurate and does not always have all voter information. The contractors admitted as much when, later in their report, they noted that they couldn’t locate information for about 86,391 voters using the service.

Or, ya know, just drink the conspiracy stuff from a water hose.

I am just denoting the discrepancies that they found. And noting the fury that you seemingly feel the need to stamp out.

No matter how much you flail your arms, there are discrepancies. A whole fkload of them. When one reads the vaunted link you provide, it amounts to 'no one really knows'.

Funny that. But, apparently the issue of discrepancies of this magnitude you are fit and fiddle to fight on Suribachi for, denoting mere mention of them as 'conspiracy stuff from a water hose'.

I personally would like to know more. I guess you do not. Sounds like fun. Go git 'em pardner.....

What’s it like relying on hyperbole and intentional exaggerations to make your points?

I dont know, perhaps you tell me Mr 'only thing about capitalism', and Mr 'how dare you say socialist when that word isnt used', and Mr 'lets just make up a whole passle of **** and say that someone said it' from the the other thread.

Kind of humorous puerile response there, lad. Go git, em.

Dodge. Weave.

Really struck a nerve there by pointing out that criticizing someone for being greedy isn’t an inherently collectivist/socialist activity. It’s even bled into another thread!

Funny.

When Trumpistas claimed fraud in the election, the left said lies and conspiracy theories. How quickly they forget the lies that let to the Mueller investigation, and the conspiracy theories about collusion with Russia.

When some people claimed the vaccinations were unsafe, the lefties scoffed. How soon they forget Harris' statement that she would take the vaccines if Trump said to.


Afghanistan.
Del Rio.
Tax the rich.
Follow the science.


So much reversing and outright hypocrisy. It amazes me how these people can feel like they are the good guys. But I guess it is whatever Colbert says it is.

(09-28-2021 04:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 02:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:02 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  https://youtu.be/bKR6UHw5sBs

I guess they, Colbert, and you missed the parts of the report that dramatically increased the numbers of explicit mismatches and errors in mail in ballots --

23,344 mail-in ballots were received from voters’ previous addresses (illegal ballots)

10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than noted as received

2,592 more duplicate ballots than original ballots sent to duplication.

2,382 in-person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County.

2,081 voters who moved out of state during the 29-day period preceding the election.

17,322 duplicates were found, with some voters having cast the same ballot three to four times.

For the ballots that didnt suffer those issues (and there is no way to know how the above voted, mind you), the actual tally did increase Biden's win total by a little under 1,000 votes.

But , if you are going to crow about those results, at least know and address the underlying very serious issues that the audit brought to the fore.

That seems to be a problem with letting Colbert be your news anchor of choice, mind you.

Responses to a number of those claims from Maricopa County officials:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...848270001/

Regarding the illegal ballot claim:

Quote:The only "critical" claim that Cyber Ninjas identified in its report was that 23,344 voters had their ballots mailed to old addresses.

The county cites numerous legal reasons why this would be the case, including if the voter is in the military, if the voters recently moved and hadn't updated their driver's license address, or had requested a one-time temporary address request.

Cyber Ninjas used a commercial database service called Melissa to try to find voters' addresses and compare them with the voters' addresses in the county's database. They used this method to identify several discrepancies, including voters they claimed had moved out of state before they voted and people who had died before they voted.

But that database is not always accurate and does not always have all voter information. The contractors admitted as much when, later in their report, they noted that they couldn’t locate information for about 86,391 voters using the service.

Or, ya know, just drink the conspiracy stuff from a water hose.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...-by-point/

I would say that the posted link is accurate. Trump bootstrapped a lot into the numbers.

Here is the pertinent line in the WaPo article I think that nails the point:

Quote:One of the themes that you’ll see in Trump’s claims is his unwavering insistence that 1) the estimates provided by the team conducting the review are, in fact, ironclad and that 2) they necessarily represent fraud to President Biden’s benefit.

First they arent ironclad. Absolutely. But even if off by smaller numbers, they still represent a fkload of discrepancies.

Second, I dont think I ever said that 'all of the discrepancies go one way', or that they predominantly go one way.

But, the sheer fing magnitude of some of them does give cause for alarm about the accuracy of the process, and the potential for ill-intentioned misuse of that process.

For example, even if you halve the first point in numbers -- the mere fact that 10,000 to 20,000 votes potentially voting these ballots sent to a place that they dont reside seems pretty gd problematic to me. No matter *what* the breakdown in Trump/Biden votes. Even at half that number, that represents almost an entirety of the difference in the vote totals. That gives me some really pause for concern -- no matter how they went. It should for any logical, self-respecting objective observer.

The WaPo goes into detail on how Trump misquoted the numebrs, and findings of the report. The WaPo is accurate as to *Trump's* statements. Absolutely.

But the issues, even after removing the 'Trump alteration' lens, still remain. The WaPo does a good job in identifying the *Trump* misstatements in the report numbers. But, those arent the report numbers, are they?

Oh, and to be clear, I am not repeating Trump's claims as to the report. Funny that.

(09-28-2021 05:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 05:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 05:08 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Responses to a number of those claims from Maricopa County officials:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...848270001/

Regarding the illegal ballot claim:


Or, ya know, just drink the conspiracy stuff from a water hose.

I am just denoting the discrepancies that they found. And noting the fury that you seemingly feel the need to stamp out.

No matter how much you flail your arms, there are discrepancies. A whole fkload of them. When one reads the vaunted link you provide, it amounts to 'no one really knows'.

Funny that. But, apparently the issue of discrepancies of this magnitude you are fit and fiddle to fight on Suribachi for, denoting mere mention of them as 'conspiracy stuff from a water hose'.

I personally would like to know more. I guess you do not. Sounds like fun. Go git 'em pardner.....

What’s it like relying on hyperbole and intentional exaggerations to make your points?

I dont know, perhaps you tell me Mr 'only thing about capitalism', and Mr 'how dare you say socialist when that word isnt used', and Mr 'lets just make up a whole passle of **** and say that someone said it' from the the other thread.

Kind of humorous puerile response there, lad. Go git, em.

Dodge. Weave.

Really struck a nerve there by pointing out that criticizing someone for being greedy isn’t an inherently collectivist/socialist activity. It’s even bled into another thread!

Just denoting what a cute and utterly hypocritical statement yours is above given that context. If you want to go straight down the '******* and ad hom' route (like above) please go right ahead, lad.\

If you would like a conversation, I will be glad to have one. But, I am not the first one here to charge down the 'nothing but **** talk' like you just did above. Nor am I the one to continuously misquote, nor blow concepts up to idiotic extremes as you have done serially in the discussion on the issue of Interested's response to #s on the report.

JFK and Trump to be united at last!

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/qanon-su...statement/

Wisconsin’s Racine County GOP Finds 23,000 Voters with the Same Phone Number and 4,000 Voters Registered on 1/1/1918 (Biden Awarded State by 20,000 Votes) These numbers don’t make sense:

linky: https://www.scribd.com/document/53654397...from_embed

(11-02-2021 05:22 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  JFK and Trump to be united at last!

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/qanon-su...statement/

What a wild world we live in.

So did Jr come back?

I think there is a whole lot of associating complaints or concerns about the security of the election to the conclusions being put forth by people with skin in the game. What I mean is, if there are 30,000 potentially fraudulent votes... then this is a problem that needs to be addressed if we can. I'd rather have 30,000 people vote provisionally and only count their votes if it could swing the election than have 30,000 potentially fraudulent votes. Whether it is 30,000 for one guy and 0 for the other or 15,000 for each makes no difference... because if they can do it THIS time, they can do it NEXT time. And NEXT time it might make a difference. THIS time is really moot as far as I'm concerned.

Arguments about 'not being able to prove/charge fraud' are similarly misplaced. The entire 'secret ballot' aspect of voting makes it very difficult to PROVE all but the most egregiously obvious examples of fraud, and nobody is going to charge a crime they can't prove. That doesn't mean the crime didn't happen. It just means you can't do anything about it LAST time and the best you can hope to do is stop it in the future.

(11-03-2021 09:59 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I think there is a whole lot of associating complaints or concerns about the security of the election to the conclusions being put forth by people with skin in the game. What I mean is, if there are 30,000 potentially fraudulent votes... then this is a problem that needs to be addressed if we can. I'd rather have 30,000 people vote provisionally and only count their votes if it could swing the election than have 30,000 potentially fraudulent votes. Whether it is 30,000 for one guy and 0 for the other or 15,000 for each makes no difference... because if they can do it THIS time, they can do it NEXT time. And NEXT time it might make a difference. THIS time is really moot as far as I'm concerned.

Arguments about 'not being able to prove/charge fraud' are similarly misplaced. The entire 'secret ballot' aspect of voting makes it very difficult to PROVE all but the most egregiously obvious examples of fraud, and nobody is going to charge a crime they can't prove. That doesn't mean the crime didn't happen. It just means you can't do anything about it LAST time and the best you can hope to do is stop it in the future.

Some people like to bank at financial institutions that fully investigate and seek to prosecute and convict bankrobbers no matter how long ago the crime of stealing may have occurred. Others may not. Preferences. Enron (they had a stadium once, I heard?)

Thousands of intel officers refusing vaccine

Given the job they have done lately, maybe less is more.

Just wandered over here to see all of the discussion as to the attempted voter fraud by Youngkin's 17 year old son - who attempted TWICE in a 20-minute period to vote in Tuesday's election. But, of course ----> [crickets].

If it had been McAuliffe's son (I don't know if he has one), it would have 236 posts and 8,149 views by now. And, it would be the lead story on Faux News for 6 months. "See! Voter fraud!"

(11-05-2021 03:49 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Just wandered over here to see all of the discussion as to the attempted voter fraud by Youngkin's 17 year old son - who attempted TWICE in a 20-minute period to vote in Tuesday's election. But, of course ----> [crickets].

If it had been McAuliffe's son (I don't know if he has one), it would have 236 posts and 8,149 views by now. And, it would be the lead story on Faux News for 6 months. "See! Voter fraud!"

The news items I saw after reading this were no more than 3 hours old as a breaking story Apologies that no one here posted something on that in those 3 hours.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention (in a really funny accusatory manner given the timeframe issue).

If his son did this in an intentional manner, then shame on him (not to mention that he might just enjoy a front row education to the criminal liability system). If he did it as a confused minor, then I would surmise that he probably won’t be following his father to Rice based on what could be characterized not the brightest thing in the world to assume.

No matter what person is his parent, I would characterize this as a severe low level and idiotic way to manipulate an election —- I am far more concerned with highly organized methods of vote fraud that net hundreds if not thousands of votes. I am glad an ID policy stopped this dork dead in his tracks

(11-05-2021 03:49 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Just wandered over here to see all of the discussion as to the attempted voter fraud by Youngkin's 17 year old son - who attempted TWICE in a 20-minute period to vote in Tuesday's election. But, of course ----> [crickets].

If it had been McAuliffe's son (I don't know if he has one), it would have 236 posts and 8,149 views by now. And, it would be the lead story on Faux News for 6 months. "See! Voter fraud!"

"Faux News"...kind of telegraphs your bias.

But since you brought up fraud...

What does CNN have to say about the arrest in Durham's investigation?

link to entire Purdue filing: https://www.scribd.com/document/54594495...from_embed

Former Senator David Perdue Sues Fulton County for “Absentee Ballots…Scanned Multiple Times” and “16,000 Ballots” Not Counted in 2020 Election

Quote: Fulton County Board of Registration Elections Director Richard Barron and his agents including the other Respondents negligently, grossly negligently or intentionally engaged in and/or permitted multiple unlawful election acts and omissions by their failure, inter alia, to competently oversee the actions of the Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections employees, staff, agents, and/or contractors in the acceptance and tabulation and counting of absentee ballots, thousands of which were unlawfully marked by machines rather than legally registered Georgia voters. These acts and omissions, inter alia, circumvented the majority vote of the people of the State of Georgia and thereby affected the outcome of the statewide General Election on November 3, 2020 in several races including the United States Senate race of Petitioner Perdue

Fulton County Elections Board Members and Fulton County Board of Commissioners and their agents failed in their duty of oversight of the Elections Director, who was appointed to his position by the Fulton County Board of Commissioners and Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections. Together, the Respondents’ actions and inactions violated, and will continue to violate, the constitutional rights of one citizen, one vote, just as they violated the equal protection and due process rights of Senator David A. Perdue, an election candidate, and Elizabeth Grace Lennon, a voter, on November 3, 2020.
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12. The unlawful, erroneous, negligent, grossly negligent, willful, malicious, corrupt, deceitful, and intentional manipulation of votes by Respondents violates the principles of democracy and the foundation of the Georgia Republic and is what Georgia’s founding fathers sought to prohibit when they thoughtfully crafted the Georgia Constitution to guarantee all citizens the right to one vote and the right to seek relief from the judiciary to protect their one vote from dilution, discrimination, and debasement.
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17. Georgia law requires “[s]uperintendents, poll officers, and other officials engaged in the conducting of primaries and elections . . . [to] perform their duties in public.” O.C.G.A. § 21-2- 406. Respondents violated this provision of Georgia law as it relates to observers during the scanning of absentee ballots for Fulton County at State Farm Arena during the General Election.
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43. From November 3, 2020 to November 4, 2020, several batches of absentee ballots were scanned multiple times, and those votes corrupt and erroneous totals were unlawfully included in the certified number of votes submitted by Fulton County to the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office.

44. Additionally, about 161 batches of ballots representing approximately 16,000 ballots cast were withheld by Respondents from the certified results that were submitted to the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office.

(Reminder, Former Vice president Biden* was awarded Georgia by only around 12,000 votes without a thorough investigation.)

Purdue is now running for governor of Georgia in the Republican Primary against Brain Kemp and Vernon Jones. It is reasonable to doubt Purdue's willingness to fully pursue justice in overturning the fraudulent Georgia election result due to the timing of the filing after he announced for governor; nevertheless, anything that helps correct the stealing of the Presidential election in 2020 (as well as th two senate seats in the January 2021 runoff) would help our Constitutional Republic, no matter who it comes from.

link to entire Purdue filing: https://www.scribd.com/document/54594495...from_embed