(11-18-2020 11:55 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: The Demspollsters told us before Nov 3 that Biden was "ahead by 16-18 points- that was a LIE.
Nationally, polls prior to the election had Biden at around +8. Some had Biden with a double digit lead, but for the most part, it ranged between +4 to +12. The way this election is turning out, Biden will win the popular vote by ~+4. So while they were off, it's not as dramatic as you're portraying.
I think the 16-18 points you're referring to was the single WaPo/ABC poll in the state of Wisconsin which even at the time seemed a bit unrealistic. Turns out... perhaps the methodology involved in polling is flawed. Maybe Trump voters aren't as willing to share their voting intentions with pollsters as much as other segments of the population? There are Trump supporters on this very board who admitted to lying to pollsters, telling them they intended to vote for Biden.
In fact, I recall Biden's own campaign coming out a couple weeks prior to the election saying that the race was going to much closer than pollsters were reporting.
Anyway, I know that I will be taking any information from pollsters with a grain of salt in the future.
Quote:The Dems told us before Nov 3 that there would be no voter fraud found- that was a LIE as numerous cases of voter fraud have been found in multiple jurisdictions, in multiple states.
Anyone who told you there would be absolutely no voter fraud found would be mistaken. Clearly, zero fraud is unrealistic. We're a huge nation, and when there are 150 million people casting ballots, some morons on both sides are going to attempt it. I believe most democrats contend instead that voter fraud is extremely rare, and scenarios where it effects the results of elections are ever rarer.
Trump's own commission he tasked with uncovering voter fraud came up with basically nothing.
Quote:The Dems told us before Nov 3 that zero dead people would be found to have voted because that just doesn't happen- that was a LIE as numerous factual cases have been shown and proved to be votes from people who are dead and counted in the ballot totals.
How many dead people voted? How many of those can be explained due to family members having similar names, clerical issues (such as someone typing 1888 instead of 1988), or other technical issues. Do you actually know this?
CNN examined 50 cases of "dead people" that the Trump campaign allege voted. They found that 37 were dead and had no record of voting in the 2020 election, 5 were actually alive and had voted, and the remainder were alive but had not voted?
0 for 50 there.
Quote:The Dems proclaimed Biden the winner-that is a LIE as no one has been certified yet, and the election is still too close to call, with president Trump currently leading 232-227 in Electoral votes and multiple recounts and investigations into actual miscounted, "misplaced" and fraudulent ballots still being found in multiple jurisdictions--a scale that demands being looked into thoroughly before any decisions or declarations are made, because it is in ALL American citizens' interest that there be zero fraud allowed in any of our elections, whether they change the outcome declared or not.
The Dems proclaimed Biden the winner after 5 days of waiting for the dust to settle. By that point, most media outlets agreed that Trump's path to victory was extremely unlikely. Biden will win this election with a greater margin of victory than Trump had in many of the battleground states he had won in 2016.
Yet in 2016, the same media outlets you malign this cycle deemed Trump President-Elect in the wee hours of Wednesday morning. The following day, he was in the White House seated next to Obama.
At that point, the election was not certified yet, but he was still the President-Elect and had started his transition process.
And Julie Moran and Leeza Gibbons were hot (not sure who is on there now).
