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What will happen if this vote is fraudulent and after unraveling all of this, it turns out that Trump is declared the winner - lawfully? The key word there is "lawfully". Those with the power to declare it, actually find voting fraud on a scale that almost stole the election.

As it currently stands - Biden is the winner. The reality is that in order for Trump to overcome this, it HAS to be from some kind of fraud being discovered and corrected.

The social unrest over this will be the worst we have ever seen and worse still, the message will be:

Trump Stole the election
Trump cheated
Trump is illegitimate

Trump..... Trump...... Trump.....


If this comes to fruition - the perpetrators of this attempted election coup will be the Democrats. The rioting and looting and burning that will undoubtedly occur will be at the feet of the Democratic Party - yet it will all be deflected like teflon.

Somehow Democrat cheating will all be Trumps fault?

In some perverted way I want to see this unravel just to see how this is spun into Trumps fault.... but the damage that will be done to the cities and innocent businesses is far too much to fathom for any of us right now.

If all this happens - the mainstream "news" media will officially be dead. It will no longer be relied upon for presentation of news, it will devolve into Entertainment Tonight.



In complete honesty, I think Joe Biden - not as a puppet of the party - would be a decent president. I also think that if this does unravel in a scenario as I describe above, labeling Joe Biden a "cheater" would be inaccurate as well. Joe is not calling the shots and organizing any of this.

(11-18-2020 09:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if this vote is fraudulent and after unraveling all of this, it turns out that Trump is declared the winner - lawfully? The key word there is "lawfully". Those with the power to declare it, actually find voting fraud on a scale that almost stole the election.

Trump will not be declared the winner. There is no power to do find voting fraud on a scale that would alter an election.

The problem has to be dealt with in advance, by improving detection methods. After the fact is too late.

I’d rather ask what happens if everything continues on track, Biden is certified and then afterwards it becomes evident to all but the cheerleading partisans that there was widespread fraud that was ignored or overlooked?

(11-18-2020 09:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-18-2020 09:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if this vote is fraudulent and after unraveling all of this, it turns out that Trump is declared the winner - lawfully? The key word there is "lawfully". Those with the power to declare it, actually find voting fraud on a scale that almost stole the election.

Trump will not be declared the winner. There is no power to do find voting fraud on a scale that would alter an election.

The problem has to be dealt with in advance, by improving detection methods. After the fact is too late.

The Electoral College has the power to nullify the election. They can simply not vote for a winner.

Should that happen, by law each state will get one vote in the House to pick a new President.

I think you are all missing the point here.....

Other than Biden just winning, any other scenario will be portrayed as Trumps Fault and any of those other scenarios is because of Democrat shenanigans NOT Trump. Trump loses even if he wins in the court of media and those who need a reason to break and steal stuff.....


The unrest will be bad and people will die.... you can bet your arse I will shoot someone to defend myself against these petulant children. Soy will be spilled in the street everywhere....

(11-18-2020 09:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if this vote is fraudulent and after unraveling all of this, it turns out that Trump is declared the winner - lawfully? The key word there is "lawfully". Those with the power to declare it, actually find voting fraud on a scale that almost stole the election.

As it currently stands - Biden is the winner. The reality is that in order for Trump to overcome this, it HAS to be from some kind of fraud being discovered and corrected.

The social unrest over this will be the worst we have ever seen and worse still, the message will be:

Trump Stole the election
Trump cheated
Trump is illegitimate

Trump..... Trump...... Trump.....


If this comes to fruition - the perpetrators of this attempted election coup will be the Democrats. The rioting and looting and burning that will undoubtedly occur will be at the feet of the Democratic Party - yet it will all be deflected like teflon.

Somehow Democrat cheating will all be Trumps fault?

In some perverted way I want to see this unravel just to see how this is spun into Trumps fault.... but the damage that will be done to the cities and innocent businesses is far too much to fathom for any of us right now.

If all this happens - the mainstream "news" media will officially be dead. It will no longer be relied upon for presentation of news, it will devolve into Entertainment Tonight.



In complete honesty, I think Joe Biden - not as a puppet of the party - would be a decent president. I also think that if this does unravel in a scenario as I describe above, labeling Joe Biden a "cheater" would be inaccurate as well. Joe is not calling the shots and organizing any of this.

ET is a lot more factual. And Julie Moran and Leeza Gibbons were hot (not sure who is on there now).

(11-18-2020 09:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-18-2020 09:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if this vote is fraudulent and after unraveling all of this, it turns out that Trump is declared the winner - lawfully? The key word there is "lawfully". Those with the power to declare it, actually find voting fraud on a scale that almost stole the election.

Trump will not be declared the winner. There is no power to do find voting fraud on a scale that would alter an election.

The problem has to be dealt with in advance, by improving detection methods. After the fact is too late.

Well if there was software fraud, he could be. But that doesn't appear to be anything but remote at this point.

(11-18-2020 09:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if this vote is fraudulent and after unraveling all of this, it turns out that Trump is declared the winner - lawfully? The key word there is "lawfully". Those with the power to declare it, actually find voting fraud on a scale that almost stole the election.

As it currently stands - Biden is the winnerNo winner has been lawfully declared, so we don't know who won yet.

The Dems told us before Nov 3 that Biden was "ahead by 16-18 points- that was a LIE.
The Dems told us before Nov 3 that there would be no voter fraud found- that was a LIE as numerous cases of voter fraud have been found in multiple jurisdictions, in multiple states.
The Dems told us before Nov 3 that zero dead people would be found to have voted because that just doesn't happen- that was a LIE as numerous factual cases have been shown and proved to be votes from people who are dead and counted in the ballot totals.
The Dems proclaimed Biden the winner-that is a LIE as no one has been certified yet, and the election is still too close to call, with president Trump currently leading 232-227 in Electoral votes and multiple recounts and investigations into actual miscounted, "misplaced" and fraudulent ballots still being found in multiple jurisdictions--a scale that demands being looked into thoroughly before any decisions or declarations are made, because it is in ALL American citizens' interest that there be zero fraud allowed in any of our elections, whether they change the outcome declared or not.

What will happen?

Easy answer there. The MSM will twist it as Trump stealing the election and all bloody hell will break loose. Book it.

One point to the OP - don’t fall into the Biden is just a happy grandpa BS. He was in on the spying on Trump, he is the muskiest or swamp creatures, a dirty dealer who only looks out for himself and his family. He is Nancy Pelosi with a better delivery and a nice store bought smile.

(11-18-2020 09:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-18-2020 09:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if this vote is fraudulent and after unraveling all of this, it turns out that Trump is declared the winner - lawfully? The key word there is "lawfully". Those with the power to declare it, actually find voting fraud on a scale that almost stole the election.

Trump will not be declared the winner. There is no power to do find voting fraud on a scale that would alter an election.

The problem has to be dealt with in advance, by improving detection methods. After the fact is too late.

And that is exactly why this will be the death of America if it is allowed to continue. Elections are a travesty and by that America is not a great ideal any longer. No longer a nation of free people. The only question now is will the soul of America, the true patriots, rise to save even the useful idiots from themselves.

(11-18-2020 11:55 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-18-2020 09:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if this vote is fraudulent and after unraveling all of this, it turns out that Trump is declared the winner - lawfully? The key word there is "lawfully". Those with the power to declare it, actually find voting fraud on a scale that almost stole the election.

As it currently stands - Biden is the winnerNo winner has been lawfully declared, so we don't know who won yet.

The Dems told us before Nov 3 that Biden was "ahead by 16-18 points- that was a LIE.
The Dems told us before Nov 3 that there would be no voter fraud found- that was a LIE as numerous cases of voter fraud have been found in multiple jurisdictions, in multiple states.
The Dems told us before Nov 3 that zero dead people would be found to have voted because that just doesn't happen- that was a LIE as numerous factual cases have been shown and proved to be votes from people who are dead and counted in the ballot totals.
The Dems proclaimed Biden the winner-that is a LIE as no one has been certified yet, and the election is still too close to call, with president Trump currently leading 232-227 in Electoral votes and multiple recounts and investigations into actual miscounted, "misplaced" and fraudulent ballots still being found in multiple jurisdictions--a scale that demands being looked into thoroughly before any decisions or declarations are made, because it is in ALL American citizens' interest that there be zero fraud allowed in any of our elections, whether they change the outcome declared or not.

If you have evidence of all the voter fraud and dead people you should send it to Rudy, because they haven't presented any in court under oath.

(11-18-2020 11:55 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]The Demspollsters told us before Nov 3 that Biden was "ahead by 16-18 points- that was a LIE.

Nationally, polls prior to the election had Biden at around +8. Some had Biden with a double digit lead, but for the most part, it ranged between +4 to +12. The way this election is turning out, Biden will win the popular vote by ~+4. So while they were off, it's not as dramatic as you're portraying.

I think the 16-18 points you're referring to was the single WaPo/ABC poll in the state of Wisconsin which even at the time seemed a bit unrealistic. Turns out... perhaps the methodology involved in polling is flawed. Maybe Trump voters aren't as willing to share their voting intentions with pollsters as much as other segments of the population? There are Trump supporters on this very board who admitted to lying to pollsters, telling them they intended to vote for Biden.

In fact, I recall Biden's own campaign coming out a couple weeks prior to the election saying that the race was going to much closer than pollsters were reporting.

Anyway, I know that I will be taking any information from pollsters with a grain of salt in the future.

Quote:The Dems told us before Nov 3 that there would be no voter fraud found- that was a LIE as numerous cases of voter fraud have been found in multiple jurisdictions, in multiple states.

Anyone who told you there would be absolutely no voter fraud found would be mistaken. Clearly, zero fraud is unrealistic. We're a huge nation, and when there are 150 million people casting ballots, some morons on both sides are going to attempt it. I believe most democrats contend instead that voter fraud is extremely rare, and scenarios where it effects the results of elections are ever rarer.

Trump's own commission he tasked with uncovering voter fraud came up with basically nothing.

Quote:The Dems told us before Nov 3 that zero dead people would be found to have voted because that just doesn't happen- that was a LIE as numerous factual cases have been shown and proved to be votes from people who are dead and counted in the ballot totals.

How many dead people voted? How many of those can be explained due to family members having similar names, clerical issues (such as someone typing 1888 instead of 1988), or other technical issues. Do you actually know this?

CNN examined 50 cases of "dead people" that the Trump campaign allege voted. They found that 37 were dead and had no record of voting in the 2020 election, 5 were actually alive and had voted, and the remainder were alive but had not voted?

0 for 50 there.

Quote:The Dems proclaimed Biden the winner-that is a LIE as no one has been certified yet, and the election is still too close to call, with president Trump currently leading 232-227 in Electoral votes and multiple recounts and investigations into actual miscounted, "misplaced" and fraudulent ballots still being found in multiple jurisdictions--a scale that demands being looked into thoroughly before any decisions or declarations are made, because it is in ALL American citizens' interest that there be zero fraud allowed in any of our elections, whether they change the outcome declared or not.

The Dems proclaimed Biden the winner after 5 days of waiting for the dust to settle. By that point, most media outlets agreed that Trump's path to victory was extremely unlikely. Biden will win this election with a greater margin of victory than Trump had in many of the battleground states he had won in 2016.

Yet in 2016, the same media outlets you malign this cycle deemed Trump President-Elect in the wee hours of Wednesday morning. The following day, he was in the White House seated next to Obama.

At that point, the election was not certified yet, but he was still the President-Elect and had started his transition process.

(11-18-2020 12:10 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-18-2020 11:55 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-18-2020 09:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if this vote is fraudulent and after unraveling all of this, it turns out that Trump is declared the winner - lawfully? The key word there is "lawfully". Those with the power to declare it, actually find voting fraud on a scale that almost stole the election.

As it currently stands - Biden is the winnerNo winner has been lawfully declared, so we don't know who won yet.

The Dems told us before Nov 3 that Biden was "ahead by 16-18 points- that was a LIE.
The Dems told us before Nov 3 that there would be no voter fraud found- that was a LIE as numerous cases of voter fraud have been found in multiple jurisdictions, in multiple states.
The Dems told us before Nov 3 that zero dead people would be found to have voted because that just doesn't happen- that was a LIE as numerous factual cases have been shown and proved to be votes from people who are dead and counted in the ballot totals.
The Dems proclaimed Biden the winner-that is a LIE as no one has been certified yet, and the election is still too close to call, with president Trump currently leading 232-227 in Electoral votes and multiple recounts and investigations into actual miscounted, "misplaced" and fraudulent ballots still being found in multiple jurisdictions--a scale that demands being looked into thoroughly before any decisions or declarations are made, because it is in ALL American citizens' interest that there be zero fraud allowed in any of our elections, whether they change the outcome declared or not.

If you have evidence of all the voter fraud and dead people you should send it to Rudy, because they haven't presented any in court under oath.

Pay attention. Tucker ran off a list - with pictures- just the other night.

(11-18-2020 12:34 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: [ -> ]Turns out... perhaps the methodology involved in polling is flawed.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Oh, btw, you owe me a new keyboard for that one.
That's such a big Whopper that you just stole the title from Burger King.