(01-20-2021 08:15 PM)For the Dukes Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 04:12 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 01:57 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  According to the VCU folks ODU said they were leaving first but does it really matter who fired the first shot?

You got a link for that? Our AD is quoted as saying he met with VCU AD at F4 and was told the VCU was leaving, I've never seen anywhere where Teague contradicted him and certainly never heard that Richmond was planning on returning. If that were the case I highly doubt we would have left.

I worked at UR for 10 years. They were and are 100% happy in the A-10....they really only care about bball and get a lot of exposure in their prime student recruiting areas. They were not about to come back to the CAA after just reaching the sweet 16 in 2011.

I have no doubt Richmond cares little about football as mentioned above, yet, let this sink in, a tiny private school that does not care about football is JMU's biggest rival and the best home football game we will rver see. This is just sad... As long as the locals that attend ed VT are happy and have VT to support, oh well, good enough...

I remember in my 300 person gen ed psych lecture when the professor asked who our rival was and no one knew. We need a new conference

To be fair I think thats more of an overall FCS problem. I remember looking at a schedule poster my freshman year at TXST and other than Sam Houston State I couldnt tell you who any of our conference opponent logos belonged to. The only reason I knew SHSUs was because we played a playoff game at their dumpy stadium when I was in high school.

(01-20-2021 06:37 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 06:42 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 09:15 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 04:10 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:14 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  [quote='Steve1981' pid='17230166' dateline='1611069971']
No matter how long things take, just keep your program strong! That is the most important thing that you all as supporters can do. Very few have the power to change or pick leadership, president. No matter what, keep donating and communicating your vision that you hope for your program.

To be clear, I’m not an apologist for the administration when they make decisions I think are either wrong or just different than what I would have made. Yet, JMU is an extraordinarily well run institution, and is held in very high regard across the country.

Yes, you are, and no, it isn't.

Your understanding of JMU’s mission, it’s national rep in higher education, and what it takes to effectively administer a major university is less than zero.

Rabid fan support of a move to FBS FB is not a substitute for reason and rational decision making.

Perhaps you’d be happier in joining Haze and myself on the ODU board.

How exactly do you know that I visit the ODU board? Sounds like you are a closet ODU board lurker yourself. IFIFY above...

Nothing worse than an ODU board lurker.

(01-20-2021 08:15 PM)For the Dukes Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 04:12 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 01:57 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  According to the VCU folks ODU said they were leaving first but does it really matter who fired the first shot?

You got a link for that? Our AD is quoted as saying he met with VCU AD at F4 and was told the VCU was leaving, I've never seen anywhere where Teague contradicted him and certainly never heard that Richmond was planning on returning. If that were the case I highly doubt we would have left.

I worked at UR for 10 years. They were and are 100% happy in the A-10....they really only care about bball and get a lot of exposure in their prime student recruiting areas. They were not about to come back to the CAA after just reaching the sweet 16 in 2011.

I have no doubt Richmond cares little about football as mentioned above, yet, let this sink in, a tiny private school that does not care about football is JMU's biggest rival and the best home football game we will rver see. This is just sad... As long as the locals that attend ed VT are happy and have VT to support, oh well, good enough...

I remember in my 300 person gen ed psych lecture when the professor asked who our rival was and no one knew. We need a new conference

Yeah when I applied way back in 2003, our academic rivals were VT, most had to decide between JMU and VT. I always assumed our Bball rivals were GMU, VCU, and ODU. Football we've never really had one, but back then it was probably UD/W&M.. then we had something good going with AppSt, then NDSU. But, today, I don't see anyone in the CAA as a rival in any sport.. it's all so mehh.

(01-20-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 09:21 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:22 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Prior to his retirement, Tom Yeager had all the legal documents ready for signatures that would have brought Richmond back to the CAA and GW was going to join with them.

So what happened? Selig at ODU let his counterpart at VCU know that ODU was heading to CUSA for all sports. With this knowledge, VCU knew they were losing their biggest rival in the CAA. They and GMU decided to leave for the A10. This blew up the UR and GW move to the CAA.

Think about how great the rivalries would have been in that CAA. Six Virginia schools and GW together in a conference and all within 2 1/2 hours of each other. Add in UD, which is basically an upper MD school given its proximity to the MD state line. That is the geographical, high caliber basketball league many will be seeking post COVID.

That league would not have gotten JMU and ODU to FBS, but it checks all the boxes for basketball which is having a multi bid league, regional travel and great rivalries.

That's not what happened. Teague informed Selig that VCU was leaving the CAA for the A10 and GMU likely was too. Then ODU explored other avenues and courted CUSA.

According to the VCU folks ODU said they were leaving first but does it really matter who fired the first shot?

You got a link for that? Our AD is quoted as saying he met with VCU AD at F4 and was told the VCU was leaving, I've never seen anywhere where Teague contradicted him and certainly never heard that Richmond was planning on returning. If that were the case I highly doubt we would have left.

That is correct. VCU knew ODU was shopping for a football home but didn't really play into VCU's decision. UofR was never leaving the A-10 and returning to the CAA. They were instrumental in getting VCU into the A-10. I understand Mason didn't start shopping conferences until after VCU, ODU and Georgia St. left.

(01-20-2021 04:12 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 01:57 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 09:21 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  That's not what happened. Teague informed Selig that VCU was leaving the CAA for the A10 and GMU likely was too. Then ODU explored other avenues and courted CUSA.

According to the VCU folks ODU said they were leaving first but does it really matter who fired the first shot?

You got a link for that? Our AD is quoted as saying he met with VCU AD at F4 and was told the VCU was leaving, I've never seen anywhere where Teague contradicted him and certainly never heard that Richmond was planning on returning. If that were the case I highly doubt we would have left.

I worked at UR for 10 years. They were and are 100% happy in the A-10....they really only care about bball and get a lot of exposure in their prime student recruiting areas. They were not about to come back to the CAA after just reaching the sweet 16 in 2011.

I have no doubt Richmond cares little about football as mentioned above, yet, let this sink in, a tiny private school that does not care about football is JMU's biggest rival and the best home football game we will rver see. This is just sad... As long as the locals that attend ed VT are happy and have VT to support, oh well, good enough...

Gosh, I really hate the ticks and it's hard for me to say this but....It's actually pretty wise for them to focus on MBB and football as secondary. For "mid-major" type schools the money is in basketball and if you want to be relevant in any way in football you need to compete with VT, WV, UVA. My personal opinion; if JMU moves up to FBS, when or even can we compete for the market shares in VA? Just look at ODU...outside of the Tidewater area, not many sports fans could tell you what conference they play in. How many ODU games are televised outside of the local area?

My support for JMU to FBS is less about business and more for selfish reasons. I want to watch better football games.

(01-21-2021 01:34 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 04:12 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 01:57 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  According to the VCU folks ODU said they were leaving first but does it really matter who fired the first shot?

You got a link for that? Our AD is quoted as saying he met with VCU AD at F4 and was told the VCU was leaving, I've never seen anywhere where Teague contradicted him and certainly never heard that Richmond was planning on returning. If that were the case I highly doubt we would have left.

I worked at UR for 10 years. They were and are 100% happy in the A-10....they really only care about bball and get a lot of exposure in their prime student recruiting areas. They were not about to come back to the CAA after just reaching the sweet 16 in 2011.

I have no doubt Richmond cares little about football as mentioned above, yet, let this sink in, a tiny private school that does not care about football is JMU's biggest rival and the best home football game we will rver see. This is just sad... As long as the locals that attend ed VT are happy and have VT to support, oh well, good enough...

Gosh, I really hate the ticks and it's hard for me to say this but....It's actually pretty wise for them to focus on MBB and football as secondary. For "mid-major" type schools the money is in basketball and if you want to be relevant in any way in football you need to compete with VT, WV, UVA. My personal opinion; if JMU moves up to FBS, when or even can we compete for the market shares in VA? Just look at ODU...outside of the Tidewater area, not many sports fans could tell you what conference they play in. How many ODU games are televised outside of the local area?

My support for JMU to FBS is less about business and more for selfish reasons. I want to watch better football games.

I don't want to compete with VT, WV, UVA - just ASU, CCU, and Liberty.

ASU, CCU, & Liberty outperformed VT & UVA last year.

I'm ok with only occasionally being better than VY & UVA like ASU, CCU, and Liberty.

(01-21-2021 01:34 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 04:12 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 01:57 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  According to the VCU folks ODU said they were leaving first but does it really matter who fired the first shot?

You got a link for that? Our AD is quoted as saying he met with VCU AD at F4 and was told the VCU was leaving, I've never seen anywhere where Teague contradicted him and certainly never heard that Richmond was planning on returning. If that were the case I highly doubt we would have left.

I worked at UR for 10 years. They were and are 100% happy in the A-10....they really only care about bball and get a lot of exposure in their prime student recruiting areas. They were not about to come back to the CAA after just reaching the sweet 16 in 2011.

I have no doubt Richmond cares little about football as mentioned above, yet, let this sink in, a tiny private school that does not care about football is JMU's biggest rival and the best home football game we will rver see. This is just sad... As long as the locals that attend ed VT are happy and have VT to support, oh well, good enough...

Gosh, I really hate the ticks and it's hard for me to say this but....It's actually pretty wise for them to focus on MBB and football as secondary. For "mid-major" type schools the money is in basketball and if you want to be relevant in any way in football you need to compete with VT, WV, UVA. My personal opinion; if JMU moves up to FBS, when or even can we compete for the market shares in VA?

JMU has spent a quarter billion on athletic facilities and coach salaries have crept up too, we are past the if and can? stage and well into the start doing stage for both football and basketball.

Whom is at the wheel of the purple bus? It's not King or Bourne. Will Alger's absence on the bus become clearly evident when Charlie the King is gone?

From my narrow knowledge and perspective is that the CAA did do a good raid of the American, getting NorthEastern and Hofstra in to the CAA and then had Richmond vote with the CAA to take control of A10 Football. Both mention programs then dropped football. This seem positive in getting football and not bad for basketball.

Then JMU did a very major, impressive, exciting upgrade to Bridgeforth. This added gasoline to the idea of FBS football. But seems was mostly in the eyes of the fans and do not know what the administration was thinking. Except they were on board on joining the MAC as the 14 team if UMass accepted the all sports invite. That was the peak of the FBS interest on the administrations part.

So here's what would bother me if I focused on it.

We were in a much better position conference and affiliation wise 15-20 years ago.

In the early 2000's the CAA was much better in football, and also included UMass. Additionally 1AA had a lot of teams that have since moved up to FBS.

Basketball wise we had a ton better conference and real rivalries. I don't know of a rivalry we have in the CAA that comes close to matching ODU, VCU, GMU, or RU (a few years earlier) when they were conference mates

Our facilities upgrades have been an "A".

Our affiliation grade compared to 15 years ago is a "D" "at best".

(01-21-2021 04:18 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  From my narrow knowledge and perspective is that the CAA did do a good raid of the American, getting NorthEastern and Hofstra in to the CAA and then had Richmond vote with the CAA to take control of A10 Football. Both mention programs then dropped football. This seem positive in getting football and not bad for basketball.

Then JMU did a very major, impressive, exciting upgrade to Bridgeforth. This added gasoline to the idea of FBS football. But seems was mostly in the eyes of the fans and do not know what the administration was thinking. Except they were on board on joining the MAC as the 14 team if UMass accepted the all sports invite. That was the peak of the FBS interest on the administrations part.

Northeastern was added to be the 6th CAA football school so the CAA would have the numbers to make football a CAA sport. GA State was added to try and pacify UNCW and others who wanted a southern school. Once CAA football was assured to be a reality, Richmond, Nova, and the others fell in line.

wow I am impressed, already at 900+ posts.

(01-21-2021 05:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 04:18 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  From my narrow knowledge and perspective is that the CAA did do a good raid of the American, getting NorthEastern and Hofstra in to the CAA and then had Richmond vote with the CAA to take control of A10 Football. Both mention programs then dropped football. This seem positive in getting football and not bad for basketball.

Then JMU did a very major, impressive, exciting upgrade to Bridgeforth. This added gasoline to the idea of FBS football. But seems was mostly in the eyes of the fans and do not know what the administration was thinking. Except they were on board on joining the MAC as the 14 team if UMass accepted the all sports invite. That was the peak of the FBS interest on the administrations part.

Northeastern was added to be the 6th CAA football school so the CAA would have the numbers to make football a CAA sport. GA State was added to try and pacify UNCW and others who wanted a southern school. Once CAA football was assured to be a reality, Richmond, Nova, and the others fell in line.

Richmond was the swing vote and the A10 put no pressure on them and UR voted for the CAA. The A10 reluctantly took over the Yankee Football conference. If the A10 wanted football, they would have required Fordham to bring all sports, including football, which they left in the Patriot Conference and pressured Richmond to vote with the A10.

The addition of GA State de-stabilized CAA Football as the move south was a hardship for northern teams. Was cited as a significant FBS like travel cost/expenses that UMass finally moved on to FBS. URI responded by starting the move to the NEC and then CAA blinked. Convinced URI to stay by adding 2 northern teams, Albany and Stony Brook. Since then UNH made a major stadium upgrade.

(01-21-2021 01:18 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 09:21 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:22 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Prior to his retirement, Tom Yeager had all the legal documents ready for signatures that would have brought Richmond back to the CAA and GW was going to join with them.

So what happened? Selig at ODU let his counterpart at VCU know that ODU was heading to CUSA for all sports. With this knowledge, VCU knew they were losing their biggest rival in the CAA. They and GMU decided to leave for the A10. This blew up the UR and GW move to the CAA.

Think about how great the rivalries would have been in that CAA. Six Virginia schools and GW together in a conference and all within 2 1/2 hours of each other. Add in UD, which is basically an upper MD school given its proximity to the MD state line. That is the geographical, high caliber basketball league many will be seeking post COVID.

That league would not have gotten JMU and ODU to FBS, but it checks all the boxes for basketball which is having a multi bid league, regional travel and great rivalries.

That's not what happened. Teague informed Selig that VCU was leaving the CAA for the A10 and GMU likely was too. Then ODU explored other avenues and courted CUSA.

According to the VCU folks ODU said they were leaving first but does it really matter who fired the first shot?

You got a link for that? Our AD is quoted as saying he met with VCU AD at F4 and was told the VCU was leaving, I've never seen anywhere where Teague contradicted him and certainly never heard that Richmond was planning on returning. If that were the case I highly doubt we would have left.

That is correct. VCU knew ODU was shopping for a football home but didn't really play into VCU's decision. UofR was never leaving the A-10 and returning to the CAA. They were instrumental in getting VCU into the A-10. I understand Mason didn't start shopping conferences until after VCU, ODU and Georgia St. left.

As I said previously, who decided to leave first isn’t important. You two are obviously closer to your programs than I am so if you say VCU told ODU they were leaving, I won’t argue with you. I will stand by my UR & GW to the CAA because it wasn’t a rumor. I heard it directly from a source who was involved.

Hey, just checking back in to see if JMU is still monitoring the landscape. Good Luck JMU!

(01-21-2021 05:53 PM)hburg Wrote:  wow I am impressed, already at 900+ posts.

and virtually no new rumors

(01-22-2021 10:24 AM)FBS Dave Wrote:  Hey, just checking back in to see if JMU is still monitoring the landscape. Good Luck JMU!

Don't forget "fluid"...the landscape is always fluid (apparently like a lava flow)

(01-21-2021 11:36 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 01:18 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 12:16 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 09:21 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  That's not what happened. Teague informed Selig that VCU was leaving the CAA for the A10 and GMU likely was too. Then ODU explored other avenues and courted CUSA.

According to the VCU folks ODU said they were leaving first but does it really matter who fired the first shot?

You got a link for that? Our AD is quoted as saying he met with VCU AD at F4 and was told the VCU was leaving, I've never seen anywhere where Teague contradicted him and certainly never heard that Richmond was planning on returning. If that were the case I highly doubt we would have left.

That is correct. VCU knew ODU was shopping for a football home but didn't really play into VCU's decision. UofR was never leaving the A-10 and returning to the CAA. They were instrumental in getting VCU into the A-10. I understand Mason didn't start shopping conferences until after VCU, ODU and Georgia St. left.

As I said previously, who decided to leave first isn’t important. You two are obviously closer to your programs than I am so if you say VCU told ODU they were leaving, I won’t argue with you. I will stand by my UR & GW to the CAA because it wasn’t a rumor. I heard it directly from a source who was involved.

So these two schools were making plans to join the CAA at the same time that they were voting in the A10 to admit VCU? I'm skeptical of your sources, none of it makes sense.

Was in HBG today, right in front of the athletic dept on university drive. Out pulls a car with a JMU plate that says, JMU-CAA. I say to the wife, "that's about right" and she says, "about right would be CAA-JMU on a CAA plate"

She was right, CAA at all cost we are.

liberty, coastal, app, gsu x2, umass, odu, uconn... the list goes on - we're getting lapped

^ no new information here, but this thread would not be complete without posts with no new information

(01-22-2021 10:24 AM)FBS Dave Wrote:  Hey, just checking back in to see if JMU is still monitoring the landscape. Good Luck JMU!

There are two absolutes in life.... the sun will rise tomorrow and JMU's admin will continue to monitor the situation.