(09-27-2020 02:16 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 08:44 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 07:01 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 06:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 04:45 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Okay so that is where your angst is rooted in gotcha. They weren't bashing they were saying its fiscally irresponsible and they do have a point and if you don't like that its fine. Speculation happens all the time and there's no stopping it and if you want to get mad because some one is speculating then there won't be an end to that madness. As per not playing FB this season you have no clue what is happening in the 757 even i don't so may be they have a reason why they chose not to instead of appealing to someone ego's that doesn't know what they have to deal with.

Ha! For the majority of G5 programs just playing in the FBS is irresponsible. We know there will be obscene amounts of money spent without a major financial return. ODU should have known that before joining. At North Texas we view our football program as marketing for the university. In that sense it becomes a matter of increased enrollment and overall interest in our university. Turning a profit is secondary.

Alright then you guys continue marketing and let us do what fits best for us. You don't need to be butt hurt because the ODU AD complained about being a geographical outlier and thus costing us a lot of additional money for travel. Turning in profit? I don't think any of the G5's do that even in their best years. For G5's its mostly about keeping their athletic deptartments afloat.

Well that is the thing about being in a conference... some decisions you make do effect the rest of C-USA.

1. When ODU complains about the burden of conferencing in C-USA, it negatively impacts the perception of our conference and hurts C-USA's ability to market our product.

2. When ODU's local paper or department writer publishes articles about wanting to realign C-USA, it negatively impacts the perception of the conference, and furthers the perception of C-USA instability.

3. And, when ODU unilaterally decides to cancel their football season, it leaves conference members with holes in their schedules, and and forces them to buy an FCS game, or expose their team to another P5 road game that (before the NCAA's everyone's eligibility rule) would have negatively impacted their ability to finish bowl eligible.

You fail to realize that some of ODU's actions do effect the rest of C-USA, and mostly in negative ways. What ODU has done to your fellow conference members is at the very least inconsiderate, and costly. ODU fans may not like the topic, but it is certainly worth questioning.

That's some next level shade right there. You are saying you were not able to market your product because of something ODU AD or the local news paper guy said? Wow who are these guys you are trying to market to that are paying so much attention to ODU and what its saying? I don't believe that and i don't think anyone in the 757 or VA for that matter cares what UNT does or what a dallas newspaper has to say. That is some wild **** and as per your third point which is valid i am sure ODU AD gave the conference teams and the league office notice ahead of the schedule so you can adjust and its not like any of us are gonna play a full schedule this season so that is a moot point. Yes i realize some actions individual schools take have effect on the conference but no where near that impacts the marketability of a fellow school. Come on man

Nowhere in my comment did I say anything about individual universities. I said some of ODU's actions are negatively impacting Conference USA as a whole, and even creating additional burdens for other members.

(09-27-2020 02:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 02:16 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 08:44 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 07:01 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 06:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Ha! For the majority of G5 programs just playing in the FBS is irresponsible. We know there will be obscene amounts of money spent without a major financial return. ODU should have known that before joining. At North Texas we view our football program as marketing for the university. In that sense it becomes a matter of increased enrollment and overall interest in our university. Turning a profit is secondary.

Alright then you guys continue marketing and let us do what fits best for us. You don't need to be butt hurt because the ODU AD complained about being a geographical outlier and thus costing us a lot of additional money for travel. Turning in profit? I don't think any of the G5's do that even in their best years. For G5's its mostly about keeping their athletic deptartments afloat.

Well that is the thing about being in a conference... some decisions you make do effect the rest of C-USA.

1. When ODU complains about the burden of conferencing in C-USA, it negatively impacts the perception of our conference and hurts C-USA's ability to market our product.

2. When ODU's local paper or department writer publishes articles about wanting to realign C-USA, it negatively impacts the perception of the conference, and furthers the perception of C-USA instability.

3. And, when ODU unilaterally decides to cancel their football season, it leaves conference members with holes in their schedules, and and forces them to buy an FCS game, or expose their team to another P5 road game that (before the NCAA's everyone's eligibility rule) would have negatively impacted their ability to finish bowl eligible.

You fail to realize that some of ODU's actions do effect the rest of C-USA, and mostly in negative ways. What ODU has done to your fellow conference members is at the very least inconsiderate, and costly. ODU fans may not like the topic, but it is certainly worth questioning.

That's some next level shade right there. You are saying you were not able to market your product because of something ODU AD or the local news paper guy said? Wow who are these guys you are trying to market to that are paying so much attention to ODU and what its saying? I don't believe that and i don't think anyone in the 757 or VA for that matter cares what UNT does or what a dallas newspaper has to say. That is some wild **** and as per your third point which is valid i am sure ODU AD gave the conference teams and the league office notice ahead of the schedule so you can adjust and its not like any of us are gonna play a full schedule this season so that is a moot point. Yes i realize some actions individual schools take have effect on the conference but no where near that impacts the marketability of a fellow school. Come on man

Nowhere in my comment did I say anything about individual universities. I said some of ODU's actions are negatively impacting Conference USA as a whole, and even creating additional burdens for other members.

hmm...care to elaborate on that bolded part? additional burdens now i really want to know what those are.

(09-27-2020 03:15 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 02:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 02:16 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 08:44 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 07:01 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Alright then you guys continue marketing and let us do what fits best for us. You don't need to be butt hurt because the ODU AD complained about being a geographical outlier and thus costing us a lot of additional money for travel. Turning in profit? I don't think any of the G5's do that even in their best years. For G5's its mostly about keeping their athletic deptartments afloat.

Well that is the thing about being in a conference... some decisions you make do effect the rest of C-USA.

1. When ODU complains about the burden of conferencing in C-USA, it negatively impacts the perception of our conference and hurts C-USA's ability to market our product.

2. When ODU's local paper or department writer publishes articles about wanting to realign C-USA, it negatively impacts the perception of the conference, and furthers the perception of C-USA instability.

3. And, when ODU unilaterally decides to cancel their football season, it leaves conference members with holes in their schedules, and and forces them to buy an FCS game, or expose their team to another P5 road game that (before the NCAA's everyone's eligibility rule) would have negatively impacted their ability to finish bowl eligible.

You fail to realize that some of ODU's actions do effect the rest of C-USA, and mostly in negative ways. What ODU has done to your fellow conference members is at the very least inconsiderate, and costly. ODU fans may not like the topic, but it is certainly worth questioning.

That's some next level shade right there. You are saying you were not able to market your product because of something ODU AD or the local news paper guy said? Wow who are these guys you are trying to market to that are paying so much attention to ODU and what its saying? I don't believe that and i don't think anyone in the 757 or VA for that matter cares what UNT does or what a dallas newspaper has to say. That is some wild **** and as per your third point which is valid i am sure ODU AD gave the conference teams and the league office notice ahead of the schedule so you can adjust and its not like any of us are gonna play a full schedule this season so that is a moot point. Yes i realize some actions individual schools take have effect on the conference but no where near that impacts the marketability of a fellow school. Come on man

Nowhere in my comment did I say anything about individual universities. I said some of ODU's actions are negatively impacting Conference USA as a whole, and even creating additional burdens for other members.

hmm...care to elaborate on that bolded part? additional burdens now i really want to know what those are.

How about the fact that eight other schools need to find an extra conference game? Especially the ones who are vying for the CUSA title?

(09-27-2020 04:17 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 03:15 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 02:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 02:16 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 08:44 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Well that is the thing about being in a conference... some decisions you make do effect the rest of C-USA.

1. When ODU complains about the burden of conferencing in C-USA, it negatively impacts the perception of our conference and hurts C-USA's ability to market our product.

2. When ODU's local paper or department writer publishes articles about wanting to realign C-USA, it negatively impacts the perception of the conference, and furthers the perception of C-USA instability.

3. And, when ODU unilaterally decides to cancel their football season, it leaves conference members with holes in their schedules, and and forces them to buy an FCS game, or expose their team to another P5 road game that (before the NCAA's everyone's eligibility rule) would have negatively impacted their ability to finish bowl eligible.

You fail to realize that some of ODU's actions do effect the rest of C-USA, and mostly in negative ways. What ODU has done to your fellow conference members is at the very least inconsiderate, and costly. ODU fans may not like the topic, but it is certainly worth questioning.

That's some next level shade right there. You are saying you were not able to market your product because of something ODU AD or the local news paper guy said? Wow who are these guys you are trying to market to that are paying so much attention to ODU and what its saying? I don't believe that and i don't think anyone in the 757 or VA for that matter cares what UNT does or what a dallas newspaper has to say. That is some wild **** and as per your third point which is valid i am sure ODU AD gave the conference teams and the league office notice ahead of the schedule so you can adjust and its not like any of us are gonna play a full schedule this season so that is a moot point. Yes i realize some actions individual schools take have effect on the conference but no where near that impacts the marketability of a fellow school. Come on man

Nowhere in my comment did I say anything about individual universities. I said some of ODU's actions are negatively impacting Conference USA as a whole, and even creating additional burdens for other members.

hmm...care to elaborate on that bolded part? additional burdens now i really want to know what those are.

How about the fact that eight other schools need to find an extra conference game? Especially the ones who are vying for the CUSA title?

^ This is certainly the most glaring example.

(09-27-2020 08:46 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  Hugh Freeze is a heck of a coach. Wonder how long he will be there.

Good question. He’s 51 years old — 9/27 is actually his birthday, according to the interwebs — so he’s probably got a lot of mileage left on him if he can keep his nose clean.

Two things keeping him at Liberty, IMHO: for one thing, his base salary is a reported $2m per year, plus bonuses. Very difficult to see how a G5 would be able to match/surpass that. So right off the bat, Liberty’s investment is probably safe unless a P5 comes calling. And for most P5’s — not all, but most — they will be able to choose from candidates who don’t have the aura/stigma of sleaze and bullshït that is at the core of his image.

So, Freeze might just be in Lynchburg a good long while. But let’s face it, with a guy like that you never really know. If he quit tomorrow to take the job at some random place in the lower P5, would anyone really be that surprised?

(09-27-2020 09:29 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 09:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 05:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 02:31 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 01:27 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Would you say the same thing about Army and Navy?

Of course, if they played like this. Why wouldn't I? Is this a trick question.

Lol, no need to get defensive. Was only asking.

Seriously, not defensive. I just don't see the relevance, or the relationship to what we were talking about. LOL!

Fair enough. I saw relevance though in that you emphasized how few passing yards both teams had and how many times they had both rushed the ball so far. That's Army and Navy in a nutshell. Last year for example, Army rushed the ball 743 times on 869 plays from scrimmage and completed only 47% of their passes. Navy rushed the ball 773 times on 877 plays from scrimmage, though they completed a slightly higher 52% of their passes. Neither team is normally known to have a good quarterback who would survive in any other system aside from the run-heavy triple option that they run.

And doesn't Georgia Southern run a triple option also? I know they run the ball about 3 times as much as they pass. I also know that in 2018, when they went 10-3, they committed only 5 turnovers in the entire season, the fewest by an FBS team in the modern era. I don't know what ULL runs because I don't watch them, but what little I do know is that they run the ball about 3 times as much as they pass also.

Mind you, I didn't watch this game as you apparently did, but there seems to be a lot of relevance here between Georgia Southern and ULL who have built their offenses around the ground game and Army and Navy who do the same. Maybe I'm just looking at this all wrong though. I was born in Germany after all, not the football country that's Texas and Louisiana. lol

Army and Navy are not immune from criticism. But nobody ever mentioned Army or Navy until you did. Why would you bring them into the conversation, and ask me if I would essentially criticize the two service academies the same way I had the two SBC stooges? Of course I would, IF THEY WERE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

Army and Navy may run offense's that are analogous to what i saw yesterday between GSA Southern and ULL, but it really had nothing to do with the game or the conversation.

Oh well......we've already talked about it way too much, and I never understood why it was introduced into the conversation to begin with.

(09-27-2020 07:10 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Oh well......we've already talked about it way too much, and I never understood why it was introduced into the conversation to begin with.

If you stop and think about it, this ^^^ describes about 90% of all online commentary, regardless of the topic.

Liberty = jr the voyeur

(09-27-2020 05:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 04:17 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 03:15 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 02:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 02:16 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  That's some next level shade right there. You are saying you were not able to market your product because of something ODU AD or the local news paper guy said? Wow who are these guys you are trying to market to that are paying so much attention to ODU and what its saying? I don't believe that and i don't think anyone in the 757 or VA for that matter cares what UNT does or what a dallas newspaper has to say. That is some wild **** and as per your third point which is valid i am sure ODU AD gave the conference teams and the league office notice ahead of the schedule so you can adjust and its not like any of us are gonna play a full schedule this season so that is a moot point. Yes i realize some actions individual schools take have effect on the conference but no where near that impacts the marketability of a fellow school. Come on man

Nowhere in my comment did I say anything about individual universities. I said some of ODU's actions are negatively impacting Conference USA as a whole, and even creating additional burdens for other members.

hmm...care to elaborate on that bolded part? additional burdens now i really want to know what those are.

How about the fact that eight other schools need to find an extra conference game? Especially the ones who are vying for the CUSA title?

^ This is certainly the most glaring example.

I think that part is beaten to dearh on the board. We simply couldn't afford to play while playing by the rules of the state we are in.

(09-27-2020 07:10 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 09:29 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 09:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 05:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 02:31 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Of course, if they played like this. Why wouldn't I? Is this a trick question.

Lol, no need to get defensive. Was only asking.

Seriously, not defensive. I just don't see the relevance, or the relationship to what we were talking about. LOL!

Fair enough. I saw relevance though in that you emphasized how few passing yards both teams had and how many times they had both rushed the ball so far. That's Army and Navy in a nutshell. Last year for example, Army rushed the ball 743 times on 869 plays from scrimmage and completed only 47% of their passes. Navy rushed the ball 773 times on 877 plays from scrimmage, though they completed a slightly higher 52% of their passes. Neither team is normally known to have a good quarterback who would survive in any other system aside from the run-heavy triple option that they run.

And doesn't Georgia Southern run a triple option also? I know they run the ball about 3 times as much as they pass. I also know that in 2018, when they went 10-3, they committed only 5 turnovers in the entire season, the fewest by an FBS team in the modern era. I don't know what ULL runs because I don't watch them, but what little I do know is that they run the ball about 3 times as much as they pass also.

Mind you, I didn't watch this game as you apparently did, but there seems to be a lot of relevance here between Georgia Southern and ULL who have built their offenses around the ground game and Army and Navy who do the same. Maybe I'm just looking at this all wrong though. I was born in Germany after all, not the football country that's Texas and Louisiana. lol

Army and Navy are not immune from criticism. But nobody ever mentioned Army or Navy until you did. Why would you bring them into the conversation, and ask me if I would essentially criticize the two service academies the same way I had the two SBC stooges? Of course I would, IF THEY WERE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

Army and Navy may run offense's that are analogous to what i saw yesterday between GSA Southern and ULL, but it really had nothing to do with the game or the conversation.

Oh well......we've already talked about it way too much, and I never understood why it was introduced into the conversation to begin with.

Wow, okay. Again, it was a valid question because they run similar offenses to the teams you brought up. But it had nothing to do with the game? If you wanna go there, what sense does it make to even bring up the Georgia Southern/ULL game in the middle of a Liberty/FIU thread in the first place? Talk about things that have nothing to do with a game or conversation; let's just start there next time. lol