(11-02-2020 04:20 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:17 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 11:21 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 10:17 AM)mairving Wrote:  Additional muscle? Keith Lee, William Bedford and Baskerville Holmes vs. Joey Dorsey, Robert Dozier and Antonio Anderson. The 85 team would win every one of those matchups.

Lee would have three fouls on Joey in first half. Unless Clougherty is officiating and then Keith might be in foul trouble.

It is legitimate to ask if you even watched any of the games. Do you know how many big men we fouled out in 5 NCAA games in 1985? ZERO. In 5 NCAA games we managed to get 4 fouls on #15 seed, Penn's big man in the first round and 4 fouls on #11 seed Boston College's big in the Sweet 16.

Lee had 22 fouls in 131 minutes; fouled out of 2 games; had 4 fouls in the other 3 games, averaged 4.5 fouls per game, and averaged 5 fouls per 29 minutes and 6.7 fouls per 40 minutes in the tournament.

Dorsey had 18 fouls in 178 minutes, fouled out of 2 games; had 3 or less fouls in all the other games, averaged 3 fouls per game, and averaged 5 fouls every 49 minutes and averaged 4 fouls per 40 minutes in the tournament.

BUT...Lee would have (apparently) had 3 fouls on Dorsey in the first half, even though the best the entire Memphis State team could do in a game in the 1985 NCAA Tournament, was get 4 fouls on Penn's Neil Bernstein and Boston College's Trevor Gordon.

IF the 1985 team had to play with a shot clock at the speed of the 2008 team; Lee wouldn't have lasted 15 minutes in any game without fouling out.

You are confusing athletes and basketball players. Keith probably has one of the highest basketball IQs to this day of Tiger players. And the games were called much differently in Keith's time than in Joey's time. Touch fouls all the time in the 80s. And if there was a shot clock back then all of the players would be in shape to play with a shot clock. It would be classic full court team vs a half court team. And in my opinion, Keith faced better competition than Joey ever did. Olajuwan, Ewing, Tisdale, the McCray's and Big John down at Tulane.

Year after year. Those were the days.

This one was actually a bit of work...

I went over our opponents from 1982-85 and 2006-09. Here is the list of players we faced that had good to great NBA careers. At the bottom is a list of players that had good college careers but not great NBA careers, or no NBA career at all. Very proud of unearthing Xavier McDaniel and Antoine Carr, btw. 4 points per game 1982 Milt Wagner not on the list, but on it onward. The players had to be good college players each year.

1982: Mitchell Wiggins, Hot Rod Williams, Derek Smith, Rodney McCray, Doc Rivers, Ed Pinckney
1983: Del Curry, Hot Rod Williams, Xavier McDaniel, Antoine Carr, Milt Wagner, Rodney McCray, Mitchell Wiggins, Patrick Ewing, Michael Young, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon
1984: Hot Rod Williams, Wayman Tisdale, Del Curry, Michael Young, Hakeem Olajuwon, Milt Wagner
1985: Reggie Miller, Billy Thompson, Del Curry, Danny Manning, Greg Dreiling, Michael Adams, Tisdale

NOTABLE: Jim Foster, Alvin Franklin, Alton Lee Gipson, John Pinone, Lancaster Gordon, Dereck Wittenburg, Sidney Lowe, Lorenzo Charles, Bobby Beecher, Tim McCalister, Daryll Kennedy, Perry Young, Anthony Bowie, Gary McClain, Dale Solomon, Thurl Bailey, Carl Henry, Kenny Fields, Jim Rowinski

2006: Arron Afflalo, Jordan Farmar, JR Redick, Shelden Williams, Lamarcus Aldridge, PJ Tucker, Daniel Gibson, CJ Watson
2007: Thad Young, Anthony Morrow, Jodie Meeks, Mike Conley
2008: Blake Griffin, OJ Mayo, Taj Gibson, Roy Hibbert, Jerryd Bayless, Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill,DJ Augustin, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Darren Collison, Mbah A Moute, Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers
2009: Dajuan Summers, Greg Monroe, Greivis Vasquez, Demarre Carroll

NOTABLE: Chris Lofton, JP Batista, Adam Morrison, Ronald Steele, Josh McRoberts, James White, Jajuan Smith, Patrick O'Bryant, Tony Bennett, Marcellus Sommerville, Javaris Crittenton, Randolph Morris, Ramar Smith, Wayne Chism, Tyler Smith, Josh Heytvelt, Acie Law, Greg Oden, Daequan Cook, Hasheem Thabeet, Stanley Robinsin, Rob McKiver, Stefon Jackson, Jarvis Varnado, Drew Neitzel, AJ Abrams, Brandon Rush, Jonny Flynn, Aubrey Coleman

Definitely more NBA legends and star power on the 1982-85 list. Lots of depth on the 2006-09 list.

(11-02-2020 04:17 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 11:21 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 10:17 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 09:25 AM)holyterror Wrote:  A great game, for sure. But the additional muscle in the lane of the 08 team might have made a difference.

Additional muscle? Keith Lee, William Bedford and Baskerville Holmes vs. Joey Dorsey, Robert Dozier and Antonio Anderson. The 85 team would win every one of those matchups.

Lee would have three fouls on Joey in first half. Unless Clougherty is officiating and then Keith might be in foul trouble.

It is legitimate to ask if you even watched any of the games. Do you know how many big men we fouled out in 5 NCAA games in 1985? ZERO. In 5 NCAA games we managed to get 4 fouls on #15 seed, Penn's big man in the first round and 4 fouls on #11 seed Boston College's big in the Sweet 16.

Lee had 22 fouls in 131 minutes; fouled out of 2 games; had 4 fouls in the other 3 games, averaged 4.5 fouls per game, and averaged 5 fouls per 29 minutes and 6.7 fouls per 40 minutes in the tournament.

Dorsey had 18 fouls in 178 minutes, fouled out of 2 games; had 3 or less fouls in all the other games, averaged 3 fouls per game, and averaged 5 fouls every 49 minutes and averaged 4 fouls per 40 minutes in the tournament.

BUT...Lee would have (apparently) had 3 fouls on Dorsey in the first half, even though the best the entire Memphis State team could do in a game in the 1985 NCAA Tournament, was get 4 fouls on Penn's Neil Bernstein and Boston College's Trevor Gordon.

IF the 1985 team had to play with a shot clock at the speed of the 2008 team; Lee wouldn't have lasted 15 minutes in any game without fouling out.

You are confusing athletes and basketball players. Keith probably has one of the highest basketball IQs to this day of Tiger players. And the games were called much differently in Keith's time than in Joey's time. Touch fouls all the time in the 80s. And if there was a shot clock back then all of the players would be in shape to play with a shot clock. It would be classic full court team vs a half court team. And in my opinion, Keith faced better competition than Joey ever did. Olajuwan, Ewing, Tisdale, the McCray's and Big John down at Tulane.

With no 3 point shot and no shot clock; Rose, Anderson and Allen would have been impenetrable, and Rose and CDR would have fouled out the entire Lee era team out on their own. The 2008 team was a collision between Dorsey and Dozier, and a missed 3 pointer away from being possibly the greatest NCAA team of all time. The 1985 team was squeaking out wins against mediocre competition like UAB, Boston College, Ole Piss and Tulane, and lost to South Carolina and Detroit Mercy.

The 1985 team beat a 10-16 Florida State team three times by a combined 11 points, with one of the games going into overtime.

You seem to be confused. You had one of the greatest teams in NCAA history staring you in the face, and you seem to think that a team that won 9 games by 5 points or less; lost two games to hot garbage, often scraping by, was better than them. You actually said that the 2008 team didn't have basketball players. How is that possible?

(11-02-2020 09:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:20 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:17 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 11:21 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Lee would have three fouls on Joey in first half. Unless Clougherty is officiating and then Keith might be in foul trouble.

It is legitimate to ask if you even watched any of the games. Do you know how many big men we fouled out in 5 NCAA games in 1985? ZERO. In 5 NCAA games we managed to get 4 fouls on #15 seed, Penn's big man in the first round and 4 fouls on #11 seed Boston College's big in the Sweet 16.

Lee had 22 fouls in 131 minutes; fouled out of 2 games; had 4 fouls in the other 3 games, averaged 4.5 fouls per game, and averaged 5 fouls per 29 minutes and 6.7 fouls per 40 minutes in the tournament.

Dorsey had 18 fouls in 178 minutes, fouled out of 2 games; had 3 or less fouls in all the other games, averaged 3 fouls per game, and averaged 5 fouls every 49 minutes and averaged 4 fouls per 40 minutes in the tournament.

BUT...Lee would have (apparently) had 3 fouls on Dorsey in the first half, even though the best the entire Memphis State team could do in a game in the 1985 NCAA Tournament, was get 4 fouls on Penn's Neil Bernstein and Boston College's Trevor Gordon.

IF the 1985 team had to play with a shot clock at the speed of the 2008 team; Lee wouldn't have lasted 15 minutes in any game without fouling out.

You are confusing athletes and basketball players. Keith probably has one of the highest basketball IQs to this day of Tiger players. And the games were called much differently in Keith's time than in Joey's time. Touch fouls all the time in the 80s. And if there was a shot clock back then all of the players would be in shape to play with a shot clock. It would be classic full court team vs a half court team. And in my opinion, Keith faced better competition than Joey ever did. Olajuwan, Ewing, Tisdale, the McCray's and Big John down at Tulane.

Year after year. Those were the days.

This one was actually a bit of work...

I went over our opponents from 1982-85 and 2006-09. Here is the list of players we faced that had good to great NBA careers. At the bottom is a list of players that had good college careers but not great NBA careers, or no NBA career at all. Very proud of unearthing Xavier McDaniel and Antoine Carr, btw. 4 points per game 1982 Milt Wagner not on the list, but on it onward. The players had to be good college players each year.

1982: Mitchell Wiggins, Hot Rod Williams, Derek Smith, Rodney McCray, Doc Rivers, Ed Pinckney
1983: Del Curry, Hot Rod Williams, Xavier McDaniel, Antoine Carr, Milt Wagner, Rodney McCray, Mitchell Wiggins, Patrick Ewing, Michael Young, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon
1984: Hot Rod Williams, Wayman Tisdale, Del Curry, Michael Young, Hakeem Olajuwon
1985: Reggie Miller, Billy Thompson, Del Curry, Danny Manning, Greg Dreiling, Michael Adams

NOTABLE: Jim Foster, Alvin Franklin, Alton Lee Gipson, John Pinone, Lancaster Gordon, Dereck Wittenburg, Sidney Lowe, Lorenzo Charles, Bobby Beecher, Tim McCalister, Daryll Kennedy, Perry Young, Anthony Bowie, Gary McClain, Dale Solomon, Thurl Bailey, Carl Henry, Kenny Fields, Jim Rowinski

2006: Arron Afflalo, Jordan Farmar, JR Redick, Shelden Williams, Lamarcus Aldridge, PJ Tucker, Daniel Gibson, CJ Watson
2007: Thad Young, Anthony Morrow, Jodie Meeks, Mike Conley
2008: Blake Griffin, OJ Mayo, Taj Gibson, Roy Hibbert, Jerryd Bayless, Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill,DJ Augustin, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Darren Collison, Mbah A Moute, Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers
2009: Dajuan Summers, Greg Monroe, Greivis Vasquez, Demarre Carroll

NOTABLE: Chris Lofton, JP Batista, Adam Morrison, Ronald Steele, Josh McRoberts, James White, Jajuan Smith, Patrick O'Bryant, Tony Bennett, Marcellus Sommerville, Javaris Crittenton, Randolph Morris, Ramar Smith, Wayne Chism, Tyler Smith, Josh Heytvelt, Acie Law, Greg Oden, Daequan Cook, Hasheem Thabeet, Stanley Robinsin, Rob McKiver, Stefon Jackson, Jarvis Varnado, Drew Neitzel, AJ Abrams, Brandon Rush, Jonny Flynn, Aubrey Coleman

Definitely more NBA legends and star power on the 1982-85 list. Lots of depth on the 2006-09 list.

When I say year after year, what I miss is seeing those same elite matchups in college for a few seasons. Quick scan of the list and I noticed several repeats in the 80s group and none in the 00s. That’s just what the college game in this era, but I still miss those days.

(11-02-2020 09:47 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 09:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:20 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:17 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  It is legitimate to ask if you even watched any of the games. Do you know how many big men we fouled out in 5 NCAA games in 1985? ZERO. In 5 NCAA games we managed to get 4 fouls on #15 seed, Penn's big man in the first round and 4 fouls on #11 seed Boston College's big in the Sweet 16.

Lee had 22 fouls in 131 minutes; fouled out of 2 games; had 4 fouls in the other 3 games, averaged 4.5 fouls per game, and averaged 5 fouls per 29 minutes and 6.7 fouls per 40 minutes in the tournament.

Dorsey had 18 fouls in 178 minutes, fouled out of 2 games; had 3 or less fouls in all the other games, averaged 3 fouls per game, and averaged 5 fouls every 49 minutes and averaged 4 fouls per 40 minutes in the tournament.

BUT...Lee would have (apparently) had 3 fouls on Dorsey in the first half, even though the best the entire Memphis State team could do in a game in the 1985 NCAA Tournament, was get 4 fouls on Penn's Neil Bernstein and Boston College's Trevor Gordon.

IF the 1985 team had to play with a shot clock at the speed of the 2008 team; Lee wouldn't have lasted 15 minutes in any game without fouling out.

You are confusing athletes and basketball players. Keith probably has one of the highest basketball IQs to this day of Tiger players. And the games were called much differently in Keith's time than in Joey's time. Touch fouls all the time in the 80s. And if there was a shot clock back then all of the players would be in shape to play with a shot clock. It would be classic full court team vs a half court team. And in my opinion, Keith faced better competition than Joey ever did. Olajuwan, Ewing, Tisdale, the McCray's and Big John down at Tulane.

Year after year. Those were the days.

This one was actually a bit of work...

I went over our opponents from 1982-85 and 2006-09. Here is the list of players we faced that had good to great NBA careers. At the bottom is a list of players that had good college careers but not great NBA careers, or no NBA career at all. Very proud of unearthing Xavier McDaniel and Antoine Carr, btw. 4 points per game 1982 Milt Wagner not on the list, but on it onward. The players had to be good college players each year.

1982: Mitchell Wiggins, Hot Rod Williams, Derek Smith, Rodney McCray, Doc Rivers, Ed Pinckney
1983: Del Curry, Hot Rod Williams, Xavier McDaniel, Antoine Carr, Milt Wagner, Rodney McCray, Mitchell Wiggins, Patrick Ewing, Michael Young, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon
1984: Hot Rod Williams, Wayman Tisdale, Del Curry, Michael Young, Hakeem Olajuwon
1985: Reggie Miller, Billy Thompson, Del Curry, Danny Manning, Greg Dreiling, Michael Adams

NOTABLE: Jim Foster, Alvin Franklin, Alton Lee Gipson, John Pinone, Lancaster Gordon, Dereck Wittenburg, Sidney Lowe, Lorenzo Charles, Bobby Beecher, Tim McCalister, Daryll Kennedy, Perry Young, Anthony Bowie, Gary McClain, Dale Solomon, Thurl Bailey, Carl Henry, Kenny Fields, Jim Rowinski

2006: Arron Afflalo, Jordan Farmar, JR Redick, Shelden Williams, Lamarcus Aldridge, PJ Tucker, Daniel Gibson, CJ Watson
2007: Thad Young, Anthony Morrow, Jodie Meeks, Mike Conley
2008: Blake Griffin, OJ Mayo, Taj Gibson, Roy Hibbert, Jerryd Bayless, Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill,DJ Augustin, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Darren Collison, Mbah A Moute, Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers
2009: Dajuan Summers, Greg Monroe, Greivis Vasquez, Demarre Carroll

NOTABLE: Chris Lofton, JP Batista, Adam Morrison, Ronald Steele, Josh McRoberts, James White, Jajuan Smith, Patrick O'Bryant, Tony Bennett, Marcellus Sommerville, Javaris Crittenton, Randolph Morris, Ramar Smith, Wayne Chism, Tyler Smith, Josh Heytvelt, Acie Law, Greg Oden, Daequan Cook, Hasheem Thabeet, Stanley Robinsin, Rob McKiver, Stefon Jackson, Jarvis Varnado, Drew Neitzel, AJ Abrams, Brandon Rush, Jonny Flynn, Aubrey Coleman

Definitely more NBA legends and star power on the 1982-85 list. Lots of depth on the 2006-09 list.

When I say year after year, what I miss is seeing those same elite matchups in college for a few seasons. Quick scan of the list and I noticed several repeats in the 80s group and none in the 00s. That’s just what the college game in this era, but I still miss those days.

100% true about the players, but not always the matchups. The reality is that Cincinnati didn't make the tournament once in Lee's 4 years.

1982: 13-12
1983: 10-17
1984: 1-25 (NOT a typo, won their first game of the season, then lost 25 in a row)
1985: 15-14

During Lee's tenure, Florida State, South Carolina and Tulane never made the tournament, and Virginia Tech made it once and lost in the 1st round.

(11-02-2020 10:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  1984: 1-25 (NOT a typo, won their first game of the season, then lost 25 in a row)

(11-02-2020 10:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 09:47 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 09:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:20 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:17 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  You are confusing athletes and basketball players. Keith probably has one of the highest basketball IQs to this day of Tiger players. And the games were called much differently in Keith's time than in Joey's time. Touch fouls all the time in the 80s. And if there was a shot clock back then all of the players would be in shape to play with a shot clock. It would be classic full court team vs a half court team. And in my opinion, Keith faced better competition than Joey ever did. Olajuwan, Ewing, Tisdale, the McCray's and Big John down at Tulane.

Year after year. Those were the days.

This one was actually a bit of work...

I went over our opponents from 1982-85 and 2006-09. Here is the list of players we faced that had good to great NBA careers. At the bottom is a list of players that had good college careers but not great NBA careers, or no NBA career at all. Very proud of unearthing Xavier McDaniel and Antoine Carr, btw. 4 points per game 1982 Milt Wagner not on the list, but on it onward. The players had to be good college players each year.

1982: Mitchell Wiggins, Hot Rod Williams, Derek Smith, Rodney McCray, Doc Rivers, Ed Pinckney
1983: Del Curry, Hot Rod Williams, Xavier McDaniel, Antoine Carr, Milt Wagner, Rodney McCray, Mitchell Wiggins, Patrick Ewing, Michael Young, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon
1984: Hot Rod Williams, Wayman Tisdale, Del Curry, Michael Young, Hakeem Olajuwon
1985: Reggie Miller, Billy Thompson, Del Curry, Danny Manning, Greg Dreiling, Michael Adams

NOTABLE: Jim Foster, Alvin Franklin, Alton Lee Gipson, John Pinone, Lancaster Gordon, Dereck Wittenburg, Sidney Lowe, Lorenzo Charles, Bobby Beecher, Tim McCalister, Daryll Kennedy, Perry Young, Anthony Bowie, Gary McClain, Dale Solomon, Thurl Bailey, Carl Henry, Kenny Fields, Jim Rowinski

2006: Arron Afflalo, Jordan Farmar, JR Redick, Shelden Williams, Lamarcus Aldridge, PJ Tucker, Daniel Gibson, CJ Watson
2007: Thad Young, Anthony Morrow, Jodie Meeks, Mike Conley
2008: Blake Griffin, OJ Mayo, Taj Gibson, Roy Hibbert, Jerryd Bayless, Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill,DJ Augustin, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Darren Collison, Mbah A Moute, Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers
2009: Dajuan Summers, Greg Monroe, Greivis Vasquez, Demarre Carroll

NOTABLE: Chris Lofton, JP Batista, Adam Morrison, Ronald Steele, Josh McRoberts, James White, Jajuan Smith, Patrick O'Bryant, Tony Bennett, Marcellus Sommerville, Javaris Crittenton, Randolph Morris, Ramar Smith, Wayne Chism, Tyler Smith, Josh Heytvelt, Acie Law, Greg Oden, Daequan Cook, Hasheem Thabeet, Stanley Robinsin, Rob McKiver, Stefon Jackson, Jarvis Varnado, Drew Neitzel, AJ Abrams, Brandon Rush, Jonny Flynn, Aubrey Coleman

Definitely more NBA legends and star power on the 1982-85 list. Lots of depth on the 2006-09 list.

When I say year after year, what I miss is seeing those same elite matchups in college for a few seasons. Quick scan of the list and I noticed several repeats in the 80s group and none in the 00s. That’s just what the college game in this era, but I still miss those days.

100% true about the players, but not always the matchups. The reality is that Cincinnati didn't make the tournament once in Lee's 4 years.

1982: 13-12
1983: 10-17
1984: 1-25 (NOT a typo, won their first game of the season, then lost 25 in a row)
1985: 15-14

During Lee's tenure, Florida State, South Carolina and Tulane never made the tournament, and Virginia Tech made it once and lost in the 1st round.

Gotcha. I got off track and was reminiscing about the college game of old. Had little to do with the thread but I tend to do that.

(11-02-2020 10:16 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 10:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 09:47 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 09:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:20 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  Year after year. Those were the days.

This one was actually a bit of work...

I went over our opponents from 1982-85 and 2006-09. Here is the list of players we faced that had good to great NBA careers. At the bottom is a list of players that had good college careers but not great NBA careers, or no NBA career at all. Very proud of unearthing Xavier McDaniel and Antoine Carr, btw. 4 points per game 1982 Milt Wagner not on the list, but on it onward. The players had to be good college players each year.

1982: Mitchell Wiggins, Hot Rod Williams, Derek Smith, Rodney McCray, Doc Rivers, Ed Pinckney
1983: Del Curry, Hot Rod Williams, Xavier McDaniel, Antoine Carr, Milt Wagner, Rodney McCray, Mitchell Wiggins, Patrick Ewing, Michael Young, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon
1984: Hot Rod Williams, Wayman Tisdale, Del Curry, Michael Young, Hakeem Olajuwon
1985: Reggie Miller, Billy Thompson, Del Curry, Danny Manning, Greg Dreiling, Michael Adams

NOTABLE: Jim Foster, Alvin Franklin, Alton Lee Gipson, John Pinone, Lancaster Gordon, Dereck Wittenburg, Sidney Lowe, Lorenzo Charles, Bobby Beecher, Tim McCalister, Daryll Kennedy, Perry Young, Anthony Bowie, Gary McClain, Dale Solomon, Thurl Bailey, Carl Henry, Kenny Fields, Jim Rowinski

2006: Arron Afflalo, Jordan Farmar, JR Redick, Shelden Williams, Lamarcus Aldridge, PJ Tucker, Daniel Gibson, CJ Watson
2007: Thad Young, Anthony Morrow, Jodie Meeks, Mike Conley
2008: Blake Griffin, OJ Mayo, Taj Gibson, Roy Hibbert, Jerryd Bayless, Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill,DJ Augustin, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Darren Collison, Mbah A Moute, Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers
2009: Dajuan Summers, Greg Monroe, Greivis Vasquez, Demarre Carroll

NOTABLE: Chris Lofton, JP Batista, Adam Morrison, Ronald Steele, Josh McRoberts, James White, Jajuan Smith, Patrick O'Bryant, Tony Bennett, Marcellus Sommerville, Javaris Crittenton, Randolph Morris, Ramar Smith, Wayne Chism, Tyler Smith, Josh Heytvelt, Acie Law, Greg Oden, Daequan Cook, Hasheem Thabeet, Stanley Robinsin, Rob McKiver, Stefon Jackson, Jarvis Varnado, Drew Neitzel, AJ Abrams, Brandon Rush, Jonny Flynn, Aubrey Coleman

Definitely more NBA legends and star power on the 1982-85 list. Lots of depth on the 2006-09 list.

When I say year after year, what I miss is seeing those same elite matchups in college for a few seasons. Quick scan of the list and I noticed several repeats in the 80s group and none in the 00s. That’s just what the college game in this era, but I still miss those days.

100% true about the players, but not always the matchups. The reality is that Cincinnati didn't make the tournament once in Lee's 4 years.

1982: 13-12
1983: 10-17
1984: 1-25 (NOT a typo, won their first game of the season, then lost 25 in a row)
1985: 15-14

During Lee's tenure, Florida State, South Carolina and Tulane never made the tournament, and Virginia Tech made it once and lost in the 1st round.

Gotcha. I got off track and was reminiscing about the college game of old. Had little to do with the thread but I tend to do that.

We all get nostalgic, I especially do.

No other Tiger team could deal with the size and athleticism of the guards of the 2008 team. Perhaps they would have issues with Kenon, Lee, or Bedford but the guard advantage would outweigh that.

(11-02-2020 10:40 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  No other Tiger team could deal with the size and athleticism of the guards of the 2008 team. Perhaps they would have issues with Kenon, Lee, or Bedford but the guard advantage would outweigh that.

That is true, but I think the fair way to compare is peer versus peer. If they were 5 years apart you can do the matchups, but you can't do it when every single team paid no attention to weight training, nutrition and physical conditioning wasn't nearly as good. As a physical specimen, Dozier was much bigger and stronger than Lee and Bedford. I am pretty sure Antonio Anderson could have guarded Lee.

I learned a trick from a friend with hockey that applies to basketball. Go to Youtube and put the 1985 Villanova game and the 2008 Kansas game on your computer screen half size, side by side. In the 1985 game, the players will look tiny and will be running around at half the speed of the 2008 teams.

(11-02-2020 10:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 10:40 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  No other Tiger team could deal with the size and athleticism of the guards of the 2008 team. Perhaps they would have issues with Kenon, Lee, or Bedford but the guard advantage would outweigh that.

That is true, but I think the fair way to compare is peer versus peer. If they were 5 years apart you can do the matchups, but you can't do it when every single team paid no attention to weight training, nutrition and physical conditioning wasn't nearly as good. As a physical specimen, Dozier was much bigger and stronger than Lee and Bedford. I am pretty sure Antonio Anderson could have guarded Lee.

I learned a trick from a friend with hockey that applies to basketball. Go to Youtube and put the 1985 Villanova game and the 2008 Kansas game on your computer screen half size, side by side. In the 1985 game, the players will look tiny and will be running around at half the speed of the 2008 teams.

I agree and I was honestly being generous to the past teams. The difference in size and athleticism across the board the last 15 years compared to 30-40 years ago would look like men against boys.

That's not a slight against the past teams. They didn't have access to the same fitness regimes, nutrition, or specialization that more recent athletes do.

(11-02-2020 11:04 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 10:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 10:40 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  No other Tiger team could deal with the size and athleticism of the guards of the 2008 team. Perhaps they would have issues with Kenon, Lee, or Bedford but the guard advantage would outweigh that.

That is true, but I think the fair way to compare is peer versus peer. If they were 5 years apart you can do the matchups, but you can't do it when every single team paid no attention to weight training, nutrition and physical conditioning wasn't nearly as good. As a physical specimen, Dozier was much bigger and stronger than Lee and Bedford. I am pretty sure Antonio Anderson could have guarded Lee.

I learned a trick from a friend with hockey that applies to basketball. Go to Youtube and put the 1985 Villanova game and the 2008 Kansas game on your computer screen half size, side by side. In the 1985 game, the players will look tiny and will be running around at half the speed of the 2008 teams.

I agree and I was honestly being generous to the past teams. The difference in size and athleticism across the board the last 15 years compared to 30-40 years ago would look like men against boys.

That's not a slight against the past teams. They didn't have access to the same fitness regimes, nutrition, or specialization that more recent athletes do.

and honestly the biggest difference wouldn't be with the stars of each team but with the depth. 73 for example. Finch, Robinson, and Kenon would still be good but the difference between the 4th-8th players on each team would be massive in terms of size and athleticism.