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CAA to use Atlantic Bank Arena & Convo as “Bubble” for Basketball?
Big article in the DNR today about the CAA adopting an NBA-type bubble to play conference basketball, and using JMU facilities to support the concept.

Thoughts? If the CAA could pull off the organization it would provide some real exciting MBB in the ‘Burg!
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(09-16-2020 01:53 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Big article in the DNR today about the CAA adopting an NBA-type bubble to play conference basketball, and using JMU facilities to support the concept.

Thoughts? If the CAA could pull off the organization it would provide some real exciting MBB in the ‘Burg!

But wait.........you mean wouldn't this be dangerous and irresponsible to the citizens of Harrisonburg.

Seriously I have no issue with this at all......but if this is OK, get all the students back on campus and have in person classes
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(09-16-2020 01:59 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 01:53 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Big article in the DNR today about the CAA adopting an NBA-type bubble to play conference basketball, and using JMU facilities to support the concept.

Thoughts? If the CAA could pull off the organization it would provide some real exciting MBB in the ‘Burg!

But wait.........you mean wouldn't this be dangerous and irresponsible to the citizens of Harrisonburg.

Seriously I have no issue with this at all......but if this is OK, get all the students back on campus and have in person classes

I assume the players would be kept under limited circulation in the community, and live attendance at the games would be tightly restricted too. This move would advantage JMU only in as much as every game would essentially be a home game. Fans wouldn’t benefit, unless the games were broadcast regionally (or by that damn online outfit the CAA contracted with).
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(09-16-2020 01:59 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 01:53 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Big article in the DNR today about the CAA adopting an NBA-type bubble to play conference basketball, and using JMU facilities to support the concept.

Thoughts? If the CAA could pull off the organization it would provide some real exciting MBB in the ‘Burg!

But wait.........you mean wouldn't this be dangerous and irresponsible to the citizens of Harrisonburg.

I think the answer to this is very possibly yes.

The whole point of "adopting an NBA-type bubble" is that everyone is sectioned off from the general public. The entire campus set up at Disney hinges on no exposure to the outside world. I'll be the first to say how extremely impressed I've been at the success of this model.

That being said, what's being floated per Bourne raises more questions than it answers:

"Whether it is some form of comprehensive bubble [this makes sense], partial bubble [this is not a thing], something that we move around regionally [this is dangerous], I think something along those lines is something we are going to have to look at."
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(09-16-2020 02:30 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  The whole point of "adopting an NBA-type bubble" is that everyone is sectioned off from the general public. The entire campus set up at Disney hinges on no exposure to the outside world. I'll be the first to say how extremely impressed I've been at the success of this model.

That's just not true. Disney employees that work in the bubble are not also living in the bubble. From what I've heard they have access to more testing and some incentives to test, but they're living at home and going about their normal lives outside of work.
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RE: CAA to use Atlantic Bank Arena & Convo as “Bubble” for Basketball?
(09-16-2020 02:30 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 01:59 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 01:53 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Big article in the DNR today about the CAA adopting an NBA-type bubble to play conference basketball, and using JMU facilities to support the concept.

Thoughts? If the CAA could pull off the organization it would provide some real exciting MBB in the ‘Burg!

But wait.........you mean wouldn't this be dangerous and irresponsible to the citizens of Harrisonburg.

I think the answer to this is very possibly yes.

The whole point of "adopting an NBA-type bubble" is that everyone is sectioned off from the general public. The entire campus set up at Disney hinges on no exposure to the outside world. I'll be the first to say how extremely impressed I've been at the success of this model.

That being said, what's being floated per Bourne raises more questions than it answers:

"Whether it is some form of comprehensive bubble [this makes sense], partial bubble [this is not a thing], something that we move around regionally [this is dangerous], I think something along those lines is something we are going to have to look at."

By the time basketball season starts the access to cheap rapid testing is going to be very good which is one of the reasons why the Big Ten is playing. If you were to do the bubble you would bring teams in ahead of time and put them in hotels. You would test everyone to ensure you are clean and then you would play like a tournament where maybe you get in 4 games each over a 5 day period. You would then do the same thing either in the same place or a different area a few weeks later. This would allow you less travel and the ability to get the same amount of games in in a more controlled environment.

As long as they have access to rapid testing (which should not be an issue of cost as basketball teams are small) this can easily work.
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RE: CAA to use Atlantic Bank Arena & Convo as “Bubble” for Basketball?
(09-16-2020 02:40 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:30 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 01:59 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 01:53 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Big article in the DNR today about the CAA adopting an NBA-type bubble to play conference basketball, and using JMU facilities to support the concept.

Thoughts? If the CAA could pull off the organization it would provide some real exciting MBB in the ‘Burg!

But wait.........you mean wouldn't this be dangerous and irresponsible to the citizens of Harrisonburg.

I think the answer to this is very possibly yes.

The whole point of "adopting an NBA-type bubble" is that everyone is sectioned off from the general public. The entire campus set up at Disney hinges on no exposure to the outside world. I'll be the first to say how extremely impressed I've been at the success of this model.

That being said, what's being floated per Bourne raises more questions than it answers:

"Whether it is some form of comprehensive bubble [this makes sense], partial bubble [this is not a thing], something that we move around regionally [this is dangerous], I think something along those lines is something we are going to have to look at."

By the time basketball season starts the access to cheap rapid testing is going to be very good which is one of the reasons why the Big Ten is playing. If you were to do the bubble you would bring teams in ahead of time and put them in hotels. You would test everyone to ensure you are clean and then you would play like a tournament where maybe you get in 4 games each over a 5 day period. You would then do the same thing either in the same place or a different area a few weeks later. This would allow you less travel and the ability to get the same amount of games in in a more controlled environment.

As long as they have access to rapid testing (which should not be an issue of cost as basketball teams are small) this can easily work.

JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers
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(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:40 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:30 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 01:59 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 01:53 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Big article in the DNR today about the CAA adopting an NBA-type bubble to play conference basketball, and using JMU facilities to support the concept.

Thoughts? If the CAA could pull off the organization it would provide some real exciting MBB in the ‘Burg!

But wait.........you mean wouldn't this be dangerous and irresponsible to the citizens of Harrisonburg.

I think the answer to this is very possibly yes.

The whole point of "adopting an NBA-type bubble" is that everyone is sectioned off from the general public. The entire campus set up at Disney hinges on no exposure to the outside world. I'll be the first to say how extremely impressed I've been at the success of this model.

That being said, what's being floated per Bourne raises more questions than it answers:

"Whether it is some form of comprehensive bubble [this makes sense], partial bubble [this is not a thing], something that we move around regionally [this is dangerous], I think something along those lines is something we are going to have to look at."

By the time basketball season starts the access to cheap rapid testing is going to be very good which is one of the reasons why the Big Ten is playing. If you were to do the bubble you would bring teams in ahead of time and put them in hotels. You would test everyone to ensure you are clean and then you would play like a tournament where maybe you get in 4 games each over a 5 day period. You would then do the same thing either in the same place or a different area a few weeks later. This would allow you less travel and the ability to get the same amount of games in in a more controlled environment.

As long as they have access to rapid testing (which should not be an issue of cost as basketball teams are small) this can easily work.

JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

LOL.......parents and students are heated now.......if JMU even floated that idea it would be toxic. But hey they might......they were so tone deaf as to launch a giving week right after tuition was due and sending students home......so it is within the realm of possibilities when it comes to Alger.
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(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

Honestly, I've had the same thought. If you keep them on [an empty] campus, it's kind of an ideal setup for sports.

It's what WNBA's essentially been doing at IMG Academy.
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RE: CAA to use Atlantic Bank Arena & Convo as “Bubble” for Basketball?
(09-16-2020 03:01 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:40 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:30 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 01:59 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  But wait.........you mean wouldn't this be dangerous and irresponsible to the citizens of Harrisonburg.

I think the answer to this is very possibly yes.

The whole point of "adopting an NBA-type bubble" is that everyone is sectioned off from the general public. The entire campus set up at Disney hinges on no exposure to the outside world. I'll be the first to say how extremely impressed I've been at the success of this model.

That being said, what's being floated per Bourne raises more questions than it answers:

"Whether it is some form of comprehensive bubble [this makes sense], partial bubble [this is not a thing], something that we move around regionally [this is dangerous], I think something along those lines is something we are going to have to look at."

By the time basketball season starts the access to cheap rapid testing is going to be very good which is one of the reasons why the Big Ten is playing. If you were to do the bubble you would bring teams in ahead of time and put them in hotels. You would test everyone to ensure you are clean and then you would play like a tournament where maybe you get in 4 games each over a 5 day period. You would then do the same thing either in the same place or a different area a few weeks later. This would allow you less travel and the ability to get the same amount of games in in a more controlled environment.

As long as they have access to rapid testing (which should not be an issue of cost as basketball teams are small) this can easily work.

JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

LOL.......parents and students are heated now.......if JMU even floated that idea it would be toxic. But hey they might......they were so tone deaf as to launch a giving week right after tuition was due and sending students home......so it is within the realm of possibilities when it comes to Alger.
I’m certainly not happy with the way the administration handled everything. However, the giving week wasn’t primarily targeting parents of current students and the launch was a few days before the decision to send students home.
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I'm all for anything that gets the facility use. It's a damn shame that after all these years that we've been waiting on this, it's almost certainly going to open in silence.
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JMU's philosophical cautious approach monitoring machine predicted 15 years ago that JMU would inevitably literally become the home of the CAA so how is this surprising?

It is about time.
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(09-16-2020 03:49 PM)Top Dawg Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 03:01 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:40 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:30 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  I think the answer to this is very possibly yes.

The whole point of "adopting an NBA-type bubble" is that everyone is sectioned off from the general public. The entire campus set up at Disney hinges on no exposure to the outside world. I'll be the first to say how extremely impressed I've been at the success of this model.

That being said, what's being floated per Bourne raises more questions than it answers:

"Whether it is some form of comprehensive bubble [this makes sense], partial bubble [this is not a thing], something that we move around regionally [this is dangerous], I think something along those lines is something we are going to have to look at."

By the time basketball season starts the access to cheap rapid testing is going to be very good which is one of the reasons why the Big Ten is playing. If you were to do the bubble you would bring teams in ahead of time and put them in hotels. You would test everyone to ensure you are clean and then you would play like a tournament where maybe you get in 4 games each over a 5 day period. You would then do the same thing either in the same place or a different area a few weeks later. This would allow you less travel and the ability to get the same amount of games in in a more controlled environment.

As long as they have access to rapid testing (which should not be an issue of cost as basketball teams are small) this can easily work.

JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

LOL.......parents and students are heated now.......if JMU even floated that idea it would be toxic. But hey they might......they were so tone deaf as to launch a giving week right after tuition was due and sending students home......so it is within the realm of possibilities when it comes to Alger.
I’m certainly not happy with the way the administration handled everything. However, the giving week wasn’t primarily targeting parents of current students and the launch was a few days before the decision to send students home.

OK maybe/maybe not......but i find it very odd that the social media posting and promotion of this ill-time/tone deaf giving basically became silent. They realized it was a bad idea and awful timing. I have yet to see any posting or publications to money raised. I guess it is out there if I really look....but typically JMU is beating me over the head with information about it.
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(09-16-2020 03:12 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

Honestly, I've had the same thought. If you keep them on [an empty] campus, it's kind of an ideal setup for sports.

It's what WNBA's essentially been doing at IMG Academy.

Hopefully you are just joking.

It would be 100% irresponsible to keep campus in a sorta quasi closed/lockdown state.....with only online classes and host CAA bball in a bubble.

I want sports back and think they should be back now......but I am also 100% against having sports at the college level if Colleges & Universities cannot first satisfy their primary mission of in-person education.

I am not saying professors are not trying but this total online approach this fall is not much better than in was last spring and there was 6 months to plan to make it better. It is still mainly students watching videos and youtubes and teaching themselves.
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(09-17-2020 08:10 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 03:12 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

Honestly, I've had the same thought. If you keep them on [an empty] campus, it's kind of an ideal setup for sports.

It's what WNBA's essentially been doing at IMG Academy.

Hopefully you are just joking.

It would be 100% irresponsible to keep campus in a sorta quasi closed/lockdown state.....with only online classes and host CAA bball in a bubble.

I want sports back and think they should be back now......but I am also 100% against having sports at the college level if Colleges & Universities cannot first satisfy their primary mission of in-person education.

I am not saying professors are not trying but this total online approach this fall is not much better than in was last spring and there was 6 months to plan to make it better. It is still mainly students watching videos and youtubes and teaching themselves.

I was thinking about it primarily from a logistics standpoint.

That being said, it's been evident that in-person learning at JMU for thousands of students is currently not feasible. If the campus is going to sit empty otherwise due to this fact, what specifically would be irresponsible about utilizing the campus for something that likely would be successful?

Why should the content of what's being taught be dramatically different between in-person and online? To me, that sounds like a failing of the professors, not the environment in which they teach.
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(09-17-2020 08:10 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 03:12 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

Honestly, I've had the same thought. If you keep them on [an empty] campus, it's kind of an ideal setup for sports.

It's what WNBA's essentially been doing at IMG Academy.

Hopefully you are just joking.

It would be 100% irresponsible to keep campus in a sorta quasi closed/lockdown state.....with only online classes and host CAA bball in a bubble.

I want sports back and think they should be back now......but I am also 100% against having sports at the college level if Colleges & Universities cannot first satisfy their primary mission of in-person education.

I am not saying professors are not trying but this total online approach this fall is not much better than in was last spring and there was 6 months to plan to make it better. It is still mainly students watching videos and youtubes and teaching themselves.

That's too bad if that is the case and professors should have to teach in person classes over zoom in my opinion at least a majority of the time. I could understand maybe that not happening in the spring as everything was new, but if that is happening now I would be pissed if I was paying and my kid was not getting that.

I know in my local district the online is much more organized than it was in the spring. Students have set schedules, go to class online where attendance is taken, and lessons are all taught live. My son is going hybrid with half day in person every other day and so far so good. Only big difference is the day is overall slightly shorter to allow for travel from school to remote in the afternoon. Most districts that are full remote have teachers in the classrooms teaching to students at home as well so they have white boards, etc.
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(09-17-2020 08:48 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 08:10 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 03:12 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

Honestly, I've had the same thought. If you keep them on [an empty] campus, it's kind of an ideal setup for sports.

It's what WNBA's essentially been doing at IMG Academy.

Hopefully you are just joking.

It would be 100% irresponsible to keep campus in a sorta quasi closed/lockdown state.....with only online classes and host CAA bball in a bubble.

I want sports back and think they should be back now......but I am also 100% against having sports at the college level if Colleges & Universities cannot first satisfy their primary mission of in-person education.

I am not saying professors are not trying but this total online approach this fall is not much better than in was last spring and there was 6 months to plan to make it better. It is still mainly students watching videos and youtubes and teaching themselves.

That's too bad if that is the case and professors should have to teach in person classes over zoom in my opinion at least a majority of the time. I could understand maybe that not happening in the spring as everything was new, but if that is happening now I would be pissed if I was paying and my kid was not getting that.

I know in my local district the online is much more organized than it was in the spring. Students have set schedules, go to class online where attendance is taken, and lessons are all taught live. My son is going hybrid with half day in person every other day and so far so good. Only big difference is the day is overall slightly shorter to allow for travel from school to remote in the afternoon. Most districts that are full remote have teachers in the classrooms teaching to students at home as well so they have white boards, etc.

It is not nearly as different from the Spring as JMU would have you believe.
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(09-17-2020 08:39 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 08:10 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 03:12 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

Honestly, I've had the same thought. If you keep them on [an empty] campus, it's kind of an ideal setup for sports.

It's what WNBA's essentially been doing at IMG Academy.

Hopefully you are just joking.

It would be 100% irresponsible to keep campus in a sorta quasi closed/lockdown state.....with only online classes and host CAA bball in a bubble.

I want sports back and think they should be back now......but I am also 100% against having sports at the college level if Colleges & Universities cannot first satisfy their primary mission of in-person education.

I am not saying professors are not trying but this total online approach this fall is not much better than in was last spring and there was 6 months to plan to make it better. It is still mainly students watching videos and youtubes and teaching themselves.

I was thinking about it primarily from a logistics standpoint.

That being said, it's been evident that in-person learning at JMU for thousands of students is currently not feasible. If the campus is going to sit empty otherwise due to this fact, what specifically would be irresponsible about utilizing the campus for something that likely would be successful?

Why should the content of what's being taught be dramatically different between in-person and online? To me, that sounds like a failing of the professors, not the environment in which they teach.

And online learning at home for @3000 on-campus students is not viable for one of many valid reasons.

So all the CAA men's and women's bball teams should be co-located with all these students. That seems quite irresponsible for JMU Campus, Harrisonburg, as well as the local environments from where all these student-athletes originate from.
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(09-17-2020 09:04 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  And online learning at home for @3000 on-campus students is not viable for one of many valid reasons.

So all the CAA men's and women's bball teams should be co-located with all these students. That seems quite irresponsible for JMU Campus, Harrisonburg, as well as the local environments from where all these student-athletes originate from.

Gee, seems like we need some clarifications.

Aside from your previously stated frustrations with the way that professors are, in practice, handling their content for online learning (which obviously is not a measure of institutional viability), please enlighten us as to the "many valid reasons" why online learning is "not viable." As someone who works for a successful online-only academic institution of higher learning, you have my curiosity piqued.

Unless you think using IMG Academy or Disney World as bubbles is irresponsible (which have both reported zero positive cases for players once in the bubble), and I can't fathom why you would given their stark success, I don't understand what point about irresponsibility you could possibly be making if JMU were to replicate the concept. Much like the Lakers coming from LA and the Celtics coming from Boston, where they originate from is categorically irrelevant if there's zero spread. Obvious caveat being that I'm only in favor of, specifically, a full 'bubble' as opposed to whatever other 'partial bubble' or 'regional' nonsense is being floated.
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RE: CAA to use Atlantic Bank Arena & Convo as “Bubble” for Basketball?
Can someone give me a cliff notes version of how the Bubble would work?

I understand a group of schools playing at one city.

But will they play a whole season or a bunch of their games during a short period of time?

Would it be something like 16 schools coming to play their season at Harrisonburg during a one month period of time?

I've read a few articles, but have not read anything on how it would actually work.
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