(08-23-2020 07:49 AM)wylioats Wrote: With pride, I’ll always stand with hand over heart and sing the anthem and if someone has a problem with it, I’d have no problem in telling them to go f**k themselves.
Let see where our patriotism is rooted.
Key was a slave owner.
His third stanza includes these lyrics
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
He never spoke of the meaning of the words but since he wrote to his father proudly of his purchase of a woman and little girl and escaped slaves fighting for the British there is little doubt.
He star spangled banner became the National Anthem in 1931.
It became a tradition to play it at sporting events following WWII after the NFL made it a practice.
I stand and sing when it is played. I face the flag with my hand over my heart in respect. I do so because it is my choice, not because I am required to by my country or because of the maddening cries of a mob attempting to shame me into it.
The flag and the anthem are symbols of the freedoms we have fought for including the freedom to use another right, the freedom to protest. You have the personal right to your individual freedoms but not the right to abuse people for their choices nor try to force others to surrender personal beliefs to any nation including our own.
I see massive displays of disrespect in the stands on a regular basis but little is said. People do not stand, do not stop climbing to their seats, do not stop talking, do not stop Drinking and eating, scream and whistle during and at almost every playing the crowd does not wait until the end of the song to burst into screams.
Indifference to me is a greater show of disrespect than people who chose to kneel for a purpose. In the end the flag and the anthem gives as all the right to chose without being bullied for the choice.
Ageee. Indifference takes the cake..
Also if you research the actual tune to which the lyrics were set .. it was originally a bawdy effing and drinking tavern song young men sang To a god named Anacreon lol.
“The words of ‘To Anacreon in Heaven,’ the song that Francis Scott Key borrowed for the melody of ‘The Star-Spangled Banner,’ is a 1700’s paean to drinking and sex. Though understated, the line ‘I’ll instruct you, like me to entwine; The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine’ is unambiguous,” he wrote.
lol For the uninitiated, Venus is the goddess of love and sex; Bacchus, the god of wine. Entwining predates the word effing.
(This post was last modified: 08-25-2020 10:51 AM by snowtiger.)
(08-23-2020 07:49 AM)wylioats Wrote: With pride, I’ll always stand with hand over heart and sing the anthem and if someone has a problem with it, I’d have no problem in telling them to go f**k themselves.
Let see where our patriotism is rooted.
Key was a slave owner.
His third stanza includes these lyrics
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
He never spoke of the meaning of the words but since he wrote to his father proudly of his purchase of a woman and little girl and escaped slaves fighting for the British there is little doubt.
He star spangled banner became the National Anthem in 1931.
It became a tradition to play it at sporting events following WWII after the NFL made it a practice.
I stand and sing when it is played. I face the flag with my hand over my heart in respect. I do so because it is my choice, not because I am required to by my country or because of the maddening cries of a mob attempting to shame me into it.
The flag and the anthem are symbols of the freedoms we have fought for including the freedom to use another right, the freedom to protest. You have the personal right to your individual freedoms but not the right to abuse people for their choices nor try to force others to surrender personal beliefs to any nation including our own.
I see massive displays of disrespect in the stands on a regular basis but little is said. People do not stand, do not stop climbing to their seats, do not stop talking, do not stop Drinking and eating, scream and whistle during and at almost every playing the crowd does not wait until the end of the song to burst into screams.
Indifference to me is a greater show of disrespect than people who chose to kneel for a purpose. In the end the flag and the anthem gives as all the right to chose without being bullied for the choice.
Except those who choose to kneel are bullying team members who choose to stand with their hands on their hearts. They're expected to explain why they didn't kneel with the team.
if so tolerance needs practicing both ways. Nobody in either camp should attempt to force their beliefs and practices on anyone else. But you are generalizing by labeling everyone who kneels as a bully. Thats bull.
(This post was last modified: 08-25-2020 11:17 AM by Tigerx3.)
(08-23-2020 07:49 AM)wylioats Wrote: With pride, I’ll always stand with hand over heart and sing the anthem and if someone has a problem with it, I’d have no problem in telling them to go f**k themselves.
Let see where our patriotism is rooted.
Key was a slave owner.
His third stanza includes these lyrics
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
He never spoke of the meaning of the words but since he wrote to his father proudly of his purchase of a woman and little girl and escaped slaves fighting for the British there is little doubt.
He star spangled banner became the National Anthem in 1931.
It became a tradition to play it at sporting events following WWII after the NFL made it a practice.
I stand and sing when it is played. I face the flag with my hand over my heart in respect. I do so because it is my choice, not because I am required to by my country or because of the maddening cries of a mob attempting to shame me into it.
The flag and the anthem are symbols of the freedoms we have fought for including the freedom to use another right, the freedom to protest. You have the personal right to your individual freedoms but not the right to abuse people for their choices nor try to force others to surrender personal beliefs to any nation including our own.
I see massive displays of disrespect in the stands on a regular basis but little is said. People do not stand, do not stop climbing to their seats, do not stop talking, do not stop Drinking and eating, scream and whistle during and at almost every playing the crowd does not wait until the end of the song to burst into screams.
Indifference to me is a greater show of disrespect than people who chose to kneel for a purpose. In the end the flag and the anthem gives as all the right to chose without being bullied for the choice.
Except those who choose to kneel are bullying team members who choose to stand with their hands on their hearts. They're expected to explain why they didn't kneel with the team.
if so tolerance needs practicing both ways. Nobody in either camp should attempt to force their beliefs and practices on anyone else. But you are generalizing by labeling everyone who kneels as a bully. Thats bull.
Apologies... should have said "Except some of those"...
“Just because someone loves and respects the flag, our National Anthem and our country, it doesn’t mean they don’t care about social justice,” ~ Herschel Walker
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