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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-24-2020 02:32 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
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(08-24-2020 10:37 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/BrianMacWriter/statu...9895764993

Seems odd to just play 1 game this fall but would be interesting to see what happens

It would provide a lot of practice for the teams.

But if they play these games, they cannot play in spring correct?

Is it worth sacrificing a chance at a spring season and playoffs to play 3 or 4 random OOC games this fall that are basically just exhibitons? I don’t think so

The spring is a big "if".....

No way in hell they hold back NDSU from playing in the spring, even if they play some in the fall.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
Correct. They are accurately calling any bluff about what Duke Dawg is claiming.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-24-2020 02:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:32 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 12:46 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 10:37 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/BrianMacWriter/statu...9895764993

Seems odd to just play 1 game this fall but would be interesting to see what happens

It would provide a lot of practice for the teams.

But if they play these games, they cannot play in spring correct?

Is it worth sacrificing a chance at a spring season and playoffs to play 3 or 4 random OOC games this fall that are basically just exhibitons? I don’t think so

The spring is a big "if".....

No way in hell they hold back NDSU from playing in the spring, even if they play some in the fall.

Pretty sure they already said a few weeks back you can’t do both. So if you play this fall, you are out for spring.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:32 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
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(08-24-2020 10:37 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/BrianMacWriter/statu...9895764993

Seems odd to just play 1 game this fall but would be interesting to see what happens

It would provide a lot of practice for the teams.

But if they play these games, they cannot play in spring correct?

Is it worth sacrificing a chance at a spring season and playoffs to play 3 or 4 random OOC games this fall that are basically just exhibitons? I don’t think so

The spring is a big "if".....

No way in hell they hold back NDSU from playing in the spring, even if they play some in the fall.

Pretty sure they already said a few weeks back you can’t do both. So if you play this fall, you are out for spring.

Believe this is what you are referring to:
Quote:Brett McMurphy @Brett_McMurphy

NCAA President Mark Emmert: “We cannot, at this point, have fall NCAA championships." This does not impact FBS football. Also, other fall sports may compete in regular season competitions, but without chance to win a national title

This may not apply to football. Highly unlikely NDSU would be left out of spring by playing a couple games in the fall.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-24-2020 04:26 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:32 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 12:46 PM)Dukester Wrote:  It would provide a lot of practice for the teams.

But if they play these games, they cannot play in spring correct?

Is it worth sacrificing a chance at a spring season and playoffs to play 3 or 4 random OOC games this fall that are basically just exhibitons? I don’t think so

The spring is a big "if".....

No way in hell they hold back NDSU from playing in the spring, even if they play some in the fall.

Pretty sure they already said a few weeks back you can’t do both. So if you play this fall, you are out for spring.

Believe this is what you are referring to:
Quote:Brett McMurphy @Brett_McMurphy

NCAA President Mark Emmert: “We cannot, at this point, have fall NCAA championships." This does not impact FBS football. Also, other fall sports may compete in regular season competitions, but without chance to win a national title

This may not apply to football. Highly unlikely NDSU would be left out of spring by playing a couple games in the fall.

so where is the line drawn.

NDSU plays 1 or 2 games and is allowed to play in spring.

what do you do with Central Arkansas? they have 9 games scheduled this fall.

you going to let them play a conference schedule and playoffs in spring too? and then turn around and play next fall?

that's a lot of football in 12 months and seems highly unlikely.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
My interpretation of Emmerts comments is a bit different. He is saying teams can compete in games if they choose this fall but there won’t be a championship to compete in this fall. He doesn’t specifically say that if schools play in the fall they can’t play in the spring or the championship games if played in the spring.

The reality is sanctioned championships are not being played until it is safe to do so. If schools want to schedule games, they are doing so at their own risk. The NCAA won’t take on the liability of organizing events. The NCAA can move everything to the spring in hopes it will be safe then but if it isn’t, more cancellations will occur.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
So Duke Dawg is just guessing, but presenting it as established fact again. Lines up.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-24-2020 04:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 04:26 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:32 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  But if they play these games, they cannot play in spring correct?

Is it worth sacrificing a chance at a spring season and playoffs to play 3 or 4 random OOC games this fall that are basically just exhibitons? I don’t think so

The spring is a big "if".....

No way in hell they hold back NDSU from playing in the spring, even if they play some in the fall.

Pretty sure they already said a few weeks back you can’t do both. So if you play this fall, you are out for spring.

Believe this is what you are referring to:
Quote:Brett McMurphy @Brett_McMurphy

NCAA President Mark Emmert: “We cannot, at this point, have fall NCAA championships." This does not impact FBS football. Also, other fall sports may compete in regular season competitions, but without chance to win a national title

This may not apply to football. Highly unlikely NDSU would be left out of spring by playing a couple games in the fall.

so where is the line drawn.

NDSU plays 1 or 2 games and is allowed to play in spring.

what do you do with Central Arkansas? they have 9 games scheduled this fall.

you going to let them play a conference schedule and playoffs in spring too? and then turn around and play next fall?

that's a lot of football in 12 months and seems highly unlikely.

Seems pretty unfair that NDSU gets a month of practice in Sept for what is basically a glorified scrimmage in Oct and then gets to compete in the spring. That’s a lot of extra practices that most teams aren’t getting, assuming we actually play in the spring.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
Didn’t want to start another thread on “news“ that’s really just a guessing game, and that would only remotely impact NDSU scheduling, so I’m sharing it here:

In the most recent 2021 mock NFL draft by 247sports NDSU QB Trey Lance is projected as the 4th pick in the 1st round. Two QBs (the 1st and 2nd picks) are chosen ahead of Lance.

Should FCS FB actually get played in the Spring, and assuming there is a championship playoff that includes NDSU, it would be interesting to see if Lance decided to sit or play for NDSU.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:32 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 12:46 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 10:37 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/BrianMacWriter/statu...9895764993

Seems odd to just play 1 game this fall but would be interesting to see what happens

It would provide a lot of practice for the teams.

But if they play these games, they cannot play in spring correct?

Is it worth sacrificing a chance at a spring season and playoffs to play 3 or 4 random OOC games this fall that are basically just exhibitons? I don’t think so

The spring is a big "if".....

No way in hell they hold back NDSU from playing in the spring, even if they play some in the fall.

Pretty sure they already said a few weeks back you can’t do both. So if you play this fall, you are out for spring.


And a month ago everyone was going to play fall football. EVERY decision these days is in jello. There is no way they have a spring season and tell a handful of teams, especially & including NDSU, they cannot play because they played some games in the fall. Not going to happen.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-25-2020 04:30 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Didn’t want to start another thread on “news“ that’s really just a guessing game, and that would only remotely impact NDSU scheduling, so I’m sharing it here:

In the most recent 2021 mock NFL draft by 247sports NDSU QB Trey Lance is projected as the 4th pick in the 1st round. Two QBs (the 1st and 2nd picks) are chosen ahead of Lance.

Should FCS FB actually get played in the Spring, and assuming there is a championship playoff that includes NDSU, it would be interesting to see if Lance decided to sit or play for NDSU.

I'd be very happy for Trey if he was selected in the next draft. 04-cheers
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-25-2020 07:58 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:32 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 12:46 PM)Dukester Wrote:  It would provide a lot of practice for the teams.

But if they play these games, they cannot play in spring correct?

Is it worth sacrificing a chance at a spring season and playoffs to play 3 or 4 random OOC games this fall that are basically just exhibitons? I don’t think so

The spring is a big "if".....

No way in hell they hold back NDSU from playing in the spring, even if they play some in the fall.

Pretty sure they already said a few weeks back you can’t do both. So if you play this fall, you are out for spring.


And a month ago everyone was going to play fall football. EVERY decision these days is in jello. There is no way they have a spring season and tell a handful of teams, especially & including NDSU, they cannot play because they played some games in the fall. Not going to happen.

right. so again, where is the line?

how can Central Arkansas play 9 games this fall, then play again in the spring when presumably, most of FCS is playing and there is a playoff.

If Southland is doing conference games, that's another 8.
they usually make the playoffs, so that would be another game or two, or more.

that's 18-20 games in 6 months. Then turn around and play again next fall?

that doesn't make logical sense that the NCAA would be ok with that.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-25-2020 09:23 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-25-2020 07:58 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:32 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  But if they play these games, they cannot play in spring correct?

Is it worth sacrificing a chance at a spring season and playoffs to play 3 or 4 random OOC games this fall that are basically just exhibitons? I don’t think so

The spring is a big "if".....

No way in hell they hold back NDSU from playing in the spring, even if they play some in the fall.

Pretty sure they already said a few weeks back you can’t do both. So if you play this fall, you are out for spring.


And a month ago everyone was going to play fall football. EVERY decision these days is in jello. There is no way they have a spring season and tell a handful of teams, especially & including NDSU, they cannot play because they played some games in the fall. Not going to happen.

right. so again, where is the line?

how can Central Arkansas play 9 games this fall, then play again in the spring when presumably, most of FCS is playing and there is a playoff.

If Southland is doing conference games, that's another 8.
they usually make the playoffs, so that would be another game or two, or more.

that's 18-20 games in 6 months. Then turn around and play again next fall?

that doesn't make logical sense that the NCAA would be ok with that.

I don't think there is a line. I think this fall and next spring are one-off situations where basically anything goes that the schools choose to do. They are trying to put some guidelines and parameters in place, but I feel reasonably sure that any FCS that wants to play in the spring will do so. That said, even "if" there are games in the spring, I don't see anyway it's the traditional FCS schedule just played in the spring next year. I really think "at best" spring football will be something between then normal spring football and a traditional fall season. Aka shortened season with, or without playoffs.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
JMU should follow suit if they can the extra practice time and game prep would be invaluable. North Dakota in a way may be doing this to help Lance - wouldn’t surprise me if he played in Fall and sat out Spring.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
The MVFC is allowing their teams to play OOC games in the fall, while still competing in the spring with conference games. (read the last sentence of the press release)

https://valley-football.org/news/2020/8/...eason.aspx

NDSU is not playing 1 game and then opting out.

Not sure if the CAA will allow something similar, but it would be definitely worth it if JMU could.
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Is it too late at this point though? What options do we have for building a fall schedule, especially since we already said that we are not playing.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-25-2020 09:35 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-25-2020 09:23 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-25-2020 07:58 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 02:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  The spring is a big "if".....

No way in hell they hold back NDSU from playing in the spring, even if they play some in the fall.

Pretty sure they already said a few weeks back you can’t do both. So if you play this fall, you are out for spring.


And a month ago everyone was going to play fall football. EVERY decision these days is in jello. There is no way they have a spring season and tell a handful of teams, especially & including NDSU, they cannot play because they played some games in the fall. Not going to happen.

right. so again, where is the line?

how can Central Arkansas play 9 games this fall, then play again in the spring when presumably, most of FCS is playing and there is a playoff.

If Southland is doing conference games, that's another 8.
they usually make the playoffs, so that would be another game or two, or more.

that's 18-20 games in 6 months. Then turn around and play again next fall?

that doesn't make logical sense that the NCAA would be ok with that.

I don't think there is a line. I think this fall and next spring are one-off situations where basically anything goes that the schools choose to do. They are trying to put some guidelines and parameters in place, but I feel reasonably sure that any FCS that wants to play in the spring will do so. That said, even "if" there are games in the spring, I don't see anyway it's the traditional FCS schedule just played in the spring next year. I really think "at best" spring football will be something between then normal spring football and a traditional fall season. Aka shortened season with, or without playoffs.

I agree with DukeDawg there has to be a limit on fall games, practice, etc.....or the entire reason of canceling the season for player safety is a load of garbage. It is much more dangerous to short term and long term player health and safety to play 20+ full contact games within a calendar year
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(08-25-2020 11:07 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Is it too late at this point though? What options do we have for building a fall schedule, especially since we already said that we are not playing.

I feel that ship has sailed for JMU, I just want JMU to get in a full spring practice this fall and I would be happy.

This is only my opinion, but I don't think Alger has the 'stomach' to play football this fall.
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(08-25-2020 11:49 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I agree with DukeDawg there has to be a limit on fall games, practice, etc.....or the entire reason of canceling the season for player safety is a load of garbage. It is much more dangerous to short term and long term player health and safety to play 20+ full contact games within a calendar year

I certainly share your concern for player health, and while I want to see JMU on the football field, I admit I'm relieved a little that we are not taking a risk we might later regret.

Personally I've selfishly fantasized the last couple days about an ad hoc home and home with NDSU this fall. Perhaps even getting ESPN to cover the travel costs.

Personally I'm more concerned health wise about Covid than football players playing in the fall and a mini spring league. Teams play fall and spring ball every year now. Playing a few more weeks will add more physical stress. Covid could cause life time affects or worse.

Are you really that concerned about the NDSU players health, or that they could gain a short term competitive advantage?

I think a lot of people/fans want solid structure to this Covid era for sports, but it simply won't be there. Structure will return once Covid is behind us which will not be until Fall of 2021 at the earliest.
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(08-25-2020 12:36 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(08-25-2020 11:49 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I agree with DukeDawg there has to be a limit on fall games, practice, etc.....or the entire reason of canceling the season for player safety is a load of garbage. It is much more dangerous to short term and long term player health and safety to play 20+ full contact games within a calendar year

I certainly share your concern for player health, and while I want to see JMU on the football field, I admit I'm relieved a little that we are not taking a risk we might later regret.

Personally I've selfishly fantasized the last couple days about an ad hoc home and home with NDSU this fall. Perhaps even getting ESPN to cover the travel costs.

Personally I'm more concerned health wise about Covid than football players playing in the fall and a mini spring league. Teams play fall and spring ball every year now. Playing a few more weeks will add more physical stress. Covid could cause life time affects or worse.

Are you really that concerned about the NDSU players health, or that they could gain a short term competitive advantage?

I think a lot of people/fans want solid structure to this Covid era for sports, but it simply won't be there. Structure will return once Covid is behind us which will not be until Fall of 2021 at the earliest.

You are slightly confusing/misinterpreting what I am saying.....let me better explain/re-phrase:

1. My own opinion I have zero issue with JMU playing a full season this fall or a partial fall season + a spring conference season + playoffs in the spring and then a full 2021 fall season. Personally I am fine with either.
2. I do recognize potential COVID risks for a fall season but I think (my opinion) the short- term and long-term likely effects (not outliers and 'what-if's') of a football player contracting COVID are LESS than the potential short-term and long-term effects of playing 20+ full contact, full speed, real games in a calendar year. Talking about knees, ankles, head injuries, amount of full speed contact over and over (like car crashes over and over) without providing ample time and dead periods for the body to properly recover.
3. Once again my opinion if the NCAA does not impose and enforce some kind of limit their player safety rationale for not playing this FALL is moot and invalid.
4. Currently full contact action and game speed with repeated collisions is primarily limited to Fall on Saturdays. There are a few full contact sessions in pre-season August practice and maybe during in season practice......but both a very limited and controlled. Also Spring practice has very few full pad sessions and even when in full pads very controlled and often stopped on 'thud' not really full contact. Even the annual Spring Game is a simulated game in a controlled environment, to limit true in season contact.
5. This concern has absolutely 100% nothing to do with NDSU getting a 'leg-up'. Unlike 90% of the posters here I am not obsessed with everything NDSU does and in a D*** measuring contest with them on a daily basis. They are free to do whatever they want and what best suits their situation.
6. I would be satisfied just as long as JMU gets a 'real' spring football session this fall in order to do the proper preparation for Spring competition.
7. The NCAA and typical NCAA fashion has made this whole thing a 'S***-Show' by inability to make some decision and punting the decision.
8. The primary mission of Colleges and Universities is to provide in-person, on-campus higher education. And if that primary mission cannot be met, I don't think any sports should be getting played by an institution that cannot first meet their primary mission prior to extra-curricular activities.

* These are all my opinions and I do not intend to go scour the web to provide links and background research.
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