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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
I googled it and did not see what you said you saw. Dukeman/Purplehazed = Kings of Embellishment.
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(08-16-2020 10:49 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I googled it and did not see what you said you saw. Dukeman/Purplehazed = Kings of Embellishment.

He probably got this

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2110...r-heard-of
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2014 Article. Like Dukeman, he posts old articles as if recent news.
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There is something to be said about the Elite FCS model NDSU, and JMU have built. Don't get me wrong, I would love for JMU to move to FBS/G5. I think they'd be successful at it. But JMU's Big Bully Boy on the Block or The Premier FCS program (Along with NDSU) or FCS Elite program, or whatever you want to call it, has it's benefits.

The JMU, Elite FCS program/Big Bully Model is infinitely better than most of the G5 programs out there. With this model we have created a brand that has given us a higher profile than we ever would've attained as some G5 Sun Belt or CUSA or MAC program. This profile enhances our recruitment, coaching hires, fan support, attendance and donations. I can state for a fact that on the recruiting trail, this profile is leveraged to get FBS/G5 caliber commits. Go look at our recruits and their offer list the last 3 cycles--- 19,20,21. Any High School coach will advise his player to take JMU over most of the rag-bag G5 Sun Belt, CUSA and MAC schools JMU recruits against.

The real debate is how long is this model sustainable? How long remaining with this FCS Elite/ Premier/Bully Boy model, is too long? When do we start to get diminishing returns and regress? The argument could be made that the model was sustainable for long into the future, but because of all the revenue hits many schools are going to take because of the covid-19 situation, that the game has changed, and it's time to make a move. JMU is in a good position to modify the model, and land in a spot that benefits them. Whatever they do they must protect the JMU brand. If that means the Premier, Elite, Bully Boy, FCS model can be sustained and enhanced, then JMU should do it. If it means it's time to move up in the world, then JMU should do that.

My opinion is that the FCS Elite/Premier/Bully-Boy model has run it's course (because of the change in CFB landscape, not because of any mistakes JMU has made), and it's time to make a move before it's too late, and we get left behind.
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In my opinion we've already done enough to prove we could be competitive in FBS. Consistency over time is very important. I believe we have shown to be a very consistent program.
There are far too many programs that go from FCS to FBS and essentially proved nothing, nor did they have consistency over time. The ones that bother me the most are those schools that did little to nothing at the FCS level and then expect to be great at the next level (aka Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, Liberty, ODU, Idaho, and UConn to name a few). Georgia Southern at least had a history of being successful and the same could be said for App State, Marshall, Boise State and UMass. I can at least understand why those schools chose to move up to FBS.
Success at FCS does not mean you will be successful at FBS, but history is much more on your side than if a school had a small period of success and tried to ride that wave into FBS. There are of course outliers on both sides that have either succeeded with little success at FCS (South Florida) and others that were great in FCS over time that have been poor in FBS so far (UMass and Georgia Southern).
There is no given that we will succeed if we go to FBS, but I do believe we have a better chance of being successful due to our recent history of success in FCS. Winning a few more titles, while nice, doesn't mean we'll be any better than we would be if we transitioned today, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.
What matters more is what we do when we get to FBS- making the right choices when it comes to conference affiliation, marketing and fan support, coaching, recruiting, and administrative decisions. Those are far more important than anything we had done in the past, however those also are important ingredients to be successful in any division.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
You have to have strong financial support to be successful in FBS. Many of the schools you list don’t have it. Boise St. and App. do. App does so at the expense of the rest of their athletics programs. I know for a fact that Ga. Southern and UMass had major money issues while still FCS. This is one of the reasons their transition to FBS has been filled with losses though GSU did do well the first year in the Sunbelt.

UConn going back to the Big East speaks volumes about their lack of commitment to football. Being the first FBS program to scrap the season does too. While every good G5 program and JMU would fall all over themselves for membership to the AAC, UConn left. At best, UConn and UMass will return to FCS in the very near future. They could easily get rid of football altogether. They will continue to suck for the foreseeable future.
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(08-17-2020 09:52 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  In my opinion we've already done enough to prove we could be competitive in FBS. Consistency over time is very important. I believe we have shown to be a very consistent program.
There are far too many programs that go from FCS to FBS and essentially proved nothing, nor did they have consistency over time. The ones that bother me the most are those schools that did little to nothing at the FCS level and then expect to be great at the next level (aka Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, Liberty, ODU, Idaho, and UConn to name a few). Georgia Southern at least had a history of being successful and the same could be said for App State, Marshall, Boise State and UMass. I can at least understand why those schools chose to move up to FBS.
Success at FCS does not mean you will be successful at FBS, but history is much more on your side than if a school had a small period of success and tried to ride that wave into FBS. There are of course outliers on both sides that have either succeeded with little success at FCS (South Florida) and others that were great in FCS over time that have been poor in FBS so far (UMass and Georgia Southern).
There is no given that we will succeed if we go to FBS, but I do believe we have a better chance of being successful due to our recent history of success in FCS. Winning a few more titles, while nice, doesn't mean we'll be any better than we would be if we transitioned today, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.
What matters more is what we do when we get to FBS- making the right choices when it comes to conference affiliation, marketing and fan support, coaching, recruiting, and administrative decisions. Those are far more important than anything we had done in the past, however those also are important ingredients to be successful in any division.

My opinion is JMU football would be successful right out of the box, most of the tools are already in place. The bigger question for me is how well our administration would handle the business side. ODU and Coastal also had the tools for success at the FBS level but their struggles seem to come from the managerial side. I don't know but maybe the skills and resources required to run a successful G5 department are different from those required to run a successful FCS level department.
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(08-17-2020 11:15 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  
(08-17-2020 09:52 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  In my opinion we've already done enough to prove we could be competitive in FBS. Consistency over time is very important. I believe we have shown to be a very consistent program.
There are far too many programs that go from FCS to FBS and essentially proved nothing, nor did they have consistency over time. The ones that bother me the most are those schools that did little to nothing at the FCS level and then expect to be great at the next level (aka Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, Liberty, ODU, Idaho, and UConn to name a few). Georgia Southern at least had a history of being successful and the same could be said for App State, Marshall, Boise State and UMass. I can at least understand why those schools chose to move up to FBS.
Success at FCS does not mean you will be successful at FBS, but history is much more on your side than if a school had a small period of success and tried to ride that wave into FBS. There are of course outliers on both sides that have either succeeded with little success at FCS (South Florida) and others that were great in FCS over time that have been poor in FBS so far (UMass and Georgia Southern).
There is no given that we will succeed if we go to FBS, but I do believe we have a better chance of being successful due to our recent history of success in FCS. Winning a few more titles, while nice, doesn't mean we'll be any better than we would be if we transitioned today, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.
What matters more is what we do when we get to FBS- making the right choices when it comes to conference affiliation, marketing and fan support, coaching, recruiting, and administrative decisions. Those are far more important than anything we had done in the past, however those also are important ingredients to be successful in any division.

My opinion is JMU football would be successful right out of the box, most of the tools are already in place. The bigger question for me is how well our administration would handle the business side. ODU and Coastal also had the tools for success at the FBS level but their struggles seem to come from the managerial side. I don't know but maybe the skills and resources required to run a successful G5 department are different from those required to run a successful FCS level department.

When it comes to the business side, I have a lot of confidence in our admin. I know many may disagree with this, but I believe JMU has made the right decisions so far and that includes not going to CUSA. ODU has had to make cuts that most likely we probably would have had to make as well.
And so far in this pandemic, JMU athletics is in about as good a shape as we could hope for. I believe a lot of that has to do with the business decisions they have made.
I know some may argue that JMU may struggle with resources because JMU will have to rely less on student fees, but I don't think so. They are fully aware of what they would have to do/not be able to do if they were to move up and I believe there is probably a plan in place as to how to obtain the difference. If there isn't, I have full confidence that they would. Their decisions have been very calculated and moving up to FBS would be the largest decision ever made for JMU athletics history. To think they wouldn't have a plan is insane. They are just too good to not be ready for something that big.
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(08-17-2020 11:55 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(08-17-2020 11:15 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  
(08-17-2020 09:52 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  In my opinion we've already done enough to prove we could be competitive in FBS. Consistency over time is very important. I believe we have shown to be a very consistent program.
There are far too many programs that go from FCS to FBS and essentially proved nothing, nor did they have consistency over time. The ones that bother me the most are those schools that did little to nothing at the FCS level and then expect to be great at the next level (aka Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, Liberty, ODU, Idaho, and UConn to name a few). Georgia Southern at least had a history of being successful and the same could be said for App State, Marshall, Boise State and UMass. I can at least understand why those schools chose to move up to FBS.
Success at FCS does not mean you will be successful at FBS, but history is much more on your side than if a school had a small period of success and tried to ride that wave into FBS. There are of course outliers on both sides that have either succeeded with little success at FCS (South Florida) and others that were great in FCS over time that have been poor in FBS so far (UMass and Georgia Southern).
There is no given that we will succeed if we go to FBS, but I do believe we have a better chance of being successful due to our recent history of success in FCS. Winning a few more titles, while nice, doesn't mean we'll be any better than we would be if we transitioned today, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.
What matters more is what we do when we get to FBS- making the right choices when it comes to conference affiliation, marketing and fan support, coaching, recruiting, and administrative decisions. Those are far more important than anything we had done in the past, however those also are important ingredients to be successful in any division.

My opinion is JMU football would be successful right out of the box, most of the tools are already in place. The bigger question for me is how well our administration would handle the business side. ODU and Coastal also had the tools for success at the FBS level but their struggles seem to come from the managerial side. I don't know but maybe the skills and resources required to run a successful G5 department are different from those required to run a successful FCS level department.

When it comes to the business side, I have a lot of confidence in our admin. I know many may disagree with this, but I believe JMU has made the right decisions so far and that includes not going to CUSA. ODU has had to make cuts that most likely we probably would have had to make as well.
And so far in this pandemic, JMU athletics is in about as good a shape as we could hope for. I believe a lot of that has to do with the business decisions they have made.
I know some may argue that JMU may struggle with resources because JMU will have to rely less on student fees, but I don't think so. They are fully aware of what they would have to do/not be able to do if they were to move up and I believe there is probably a plan in place as to how to obtain the difference. If there isn't, I have full confidence that they would. Their decisions have been very calculated and moving up to FBS would be the largest decision ever made for JMU athletics history. To think they wouldn't have a plan is insane. They are just too good to not be ready for something that big.

I'm not trying to question history, I question the future. Do we have the managerial tools to sustain success in a bigger pond?

Just because a FB coach is being very successful in the OVC doesn't automatically make him qualified to be a HC at say an SEC program. Because a contractor has built a 8000 seat college basketball arena doesn't automatically qualified them to build a 80,000 seat NBA stadium. Sure it's still x's and o's, concrete and steel but the execution/approach is a whole lot different.

I'm not saying our current Admin isn't qualified, I'm questioning if they are capable of seeing/admitting what they may not know in a new environment.
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(08-20-2020 03:38 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  
(08-17-2020 11:55 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(08-17-2020 11:15 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  
(08-17-2020 09:52 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  In my opinion we've already done enough to prove we could be competitive in FBS. Consistency over time is very important. I believe we have shown to be a very consistent program.
There are far too many programs that go from FCS to FBS and essentially proved nothing, nor did they have consistency over time. The ones that bother me the most are those schools that did little to nothing at the FCS level and then expect to be great at the next level (aka Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, Liberty, ODU, Idaho, and UConn to name a few). Georgia Southern at least had a history of being successful and the same could be said for App State, Marshall, Boise State and UMass. I can at least understand why those schools chose to move up to FBS.
Success at FCS does not mean you will be successful at FBS, but history is much more on your side than if a school had a small period of success and tried to ride that wave into FBS. There are of course outliers on both sides that have either succeeded with little success at FCS (South Florida) and others that were great in FCS over time that have been poor in FBS so far (UMass and Georgia Southern).
There is no given that we will succeed if we go to FBS, but I do believe we have a better chance of being successful due to our recent history of success in FCS. Winning a few more titles, while nice, doesn't mean we'll be any better than we would be if we transitioned today, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.
What matters more is what we do when we get to FBS- making the right choices when it comes to conference affiliation, marketing and fan support, coaching, recruiting, and administrative decisions. Those are far more important than anything we had done in the past, however those also are important ingredients to be successful in any division.

My opinion is JMU football would be successful right out of the box, most of the tools are already in place. The bigger question for me is how well our administration would handle the business side. ODU and Coastal also had the tools for success at the FBS level but their struggles seem to come from the managerial side. I don't know but maybe the skills and resources required to run a successful G5 department are different from those required to run a successful FCS level department.

When it comes to the business side, I have a lot of confidence in our admin. I know many may disagree with this, but I believe JMU has made the right decisions so far and that includes not going to CUSA. ODU has had to make cuts that most likely we probably would have had to make as well.
And so far in this pandemic, JMU athletics is in about as good a shape as we could hope for. I believe a lot of that has to do with the business decisions they have made.
I know some may argue that JMU may struggle with resources because JMU will have to rely less on student fees, but I don't think so. They are fully aware of what they would have to do/not be able to do if they were to move up and I believe there is probably a plan in place as to how to obtain the difference. If there isn't, I have full confidence that they would. Their decisions have been very calculated and moving up to FBS would be the largest decision ever made for JMU athletics history. To think they wouldn't have a plan is insane. They are just too good to not be ready for something that big.

I'm not trying to question history, I question the future. Do we have the managerial tools to sustain success in a bigger pond?

Just because a FB coach is being very successful in the OVC doesn't automatically make him qualified to be a HC at say an SEC program. Because a contractor has built a 8000 seat college basketball arena doesn't automatically qualified them to build a 80,000 seat NBA stadium. Sure it's still x's and o's, concrete and steel but the execution/approach is a whole lot different.

I'm not saying our current Admin isn't qualified, I'm questioning if they are capable of seeing/admitting what they may not know in a new environment.

Valid and fair question. I do believe we have enough "friends" out there who can be a shoulder to lean on and certainly we'd need to have some in the organization with experience at the level we'd move to. Is it there today, I'd question it, but not saying our team (administration) couldn't pull it off either.
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(08-20-2020 03:38 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  
(08-17-2020 11:55 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(08-17-2020 11:15 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  
(08-17-2020 09:52 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  In my opinion we've already done enough to prove we could be competitive in FBS. Consistency over time is very important. I believe we have shown to be a very consistent program.
There are far too many programs that go from FCS to FBS and essentially proved nothing, nor did they have consistency over time. The ones that bother me the most are those schools that did little to nothing at the FCS level and then expect to be great at the next level (aka Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, Liberty, ODU, Idaho, and UConn to name a few). Georgia Southern at least had a history of being successful and the same could be said for App State, Marshall, Boise State and UMass. I can at least understand why those schools chose to move up to FBS.
Success at FCS does not mean you will be successful at FBS, but history is much more on your side than if a school had a small period of success and tried to ride that wave into FBS. There are of course outliers on both sides that have either succeeded with little success at FCS (South Florida) and others that were great in FCS over time that have been poor in FBS so far (UMass and Georgia Southern).
There is no given that we will succeed if we go to FBS, but I do believe we have a better chance of being successful due to our recent history of success in FCS. Winning a few more titles, while nice, doesn't mean we'll be any better than we would be if we transitioned today, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.
What matters more is what we do when we get to FBS- making the right choices when it comes to conference affiliation, marketing and fan support, coaching, recruiting, and administrative decisions. Those are far more important than anything we had done in the past, however those also are important ingredients to be successful in any division.

My opinion is JMU football would be successful right out of the box, most of the tools are already in place. The bigger question for me is how well our administration would handle the business side. ODU and Coastal also had the tools for success at the FBS level but their struggles seem to come from the managerial side. I don't know but maybe the skills and resources required to run a successful G5 department are different from those required to run a successful FCS level department.

When it comes to the business side, I have a lot of confidence in our admin. I know many may disagree with this, but I believe JMU has made the right decisions so far and that includes not going to CUSA. ODU has had to make cuts that most likely we probably would have had to make as well.
And so far in this pandemic, JMU athletics is in about as good a shape as we could hope for. I believe a lot of that has to do with the business decisions they have made.
I know some may argue that JMU may struggle with resources because JMU will have to rely less on student fees, but I don't think so. They are fully aware of what they would have to do/not be able to do if they were to move up and I believe there is probably a plan in place as to how to obtain the difference. If there isn't, I have full confidence that they would. Their decisions have been very calculated and moving up to FBS would be the largest decision ever made for JMU athletics history. To think they wouldn't have a plan is insane. They are just too good to not be ready for something that big.

I'm not trying to question history, I question the future. Do we have the managerial tools to sustain success in a bigger pond?

Just because a FB coach is being very successful in the OVC doesn't automatically make him qualified to be a HC at say an SEC program. Because a contractor has built a 8000 seat college basketball arena doesn't automatically qualified them to build a 80,000 seat NBA stadium. Sure it's still x's and o's, concrete and steel but the execution/approach is a whole lot different.

I'm not saying our current Admin isn't qualified, I'm questioning if they are capable of seeing/admitting what they may not know in a new environment.

I understand that. I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but I believe we have people in place that understand what we need.
Remember that group we hired to research moving to FBS? The study was about more than just seeing if CUSA or the Sun Belt or any other conference was a good destination. They also took at a look at what we would need to do at the next level.
I believe they have a pretty good idea what they need to do to be successful.
Also keep in mind these guys have been doing it for a long time and they talk to one another. I'm sure on those discussions alone they have learned a lot about what they would have to deal with.
JMU rarely makes a poor decision. They aren't perfect, but they have a pretty darn high average when it comes to making the right decisions and being prepared for it. It's one of the few times we should be thankful we have businessmen/accountants making these decisions.
When we make the move, I believe it will be the right one and I truly believe we will be ready when it happens and succeed.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
If there isn’t a conference slot available and you guys went Indy, would the CAA let you stay for all other sports?
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According to CAA by-laws, yes. I suppose anything is possible though.
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(08-22-2020 12:10 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  According to CAA by-laws, yes. I suppose anything is possible though.

That’s good because we actually had a FB only invite to CUSA long before we joined, but the SoCon would’ve kicked us out and we couldn’t garner interest from any other conference (our mbb and baseball SUCKED at the time).

Indy will get you to FBS and I think you could put together good schedules. You could even negotiate bowl tie-ins like Liberty did. And you have the budget to sustain imho. The drawback would be the stability that a conference provides, and the split of bowl payouts and CFP money. But the big thing, and I’m not sure if Liberty fans have even realized this, is that they will NEVER be eligible for the Access Bowl as an Indy.

To me, it’s a no brainer, but I suppose the risk/reward has to be weighed. I hope you move up as I think we will see many more regional scheduling agreements happening in the near future. The iron is hot, imho.

Crap, didn’t mean to hijack the thread. My bad, guys.
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You’re good. Not much convo here anyways. I agree, hope we have the courage to go FBS Indy. The company line has included a self-imposed restriction of “we don’t want our sports scattered across different conferences”. But it’s most definitely self-imposed.
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(08-22-2020 01:19 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  You’re good. Not much convo here anyways. I agree, hope we have the courage to go FBS Indy. The company line has included a self-imposed restriction of “we don’t want our sports scattered across different conferences”. But it’s most definitely self-imposed.

You guys might be in luck. Over on the AAC board, there is a post that discussed a tweet that two MWC schools were discussing moving, etc... evidently they’re pissed about the MWC canceling the season.

My thinking that IF the MWC loses two (my guess is two of AFA, Boise, or SDSU), they’d back fill with UTEP and UNT/UTSA. It could open up a spot for JMU. NMSU and TXST would probably fight like mongeese (sic) for the second slot.

However, the mentally arthritic leadership that CUSA has would add both of them instead of JMU. But that would still open up a slot for you all in the Belt. Either way, it gets you into a conference and better cash.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
Why not NDSU in the MWC? Seems like a much better back fill than what you proposed.

JMU isn’t going indy for football. It is no man’s land.

CAA football is a separate entity from the all sports CAA. There no exit fee for JMU to leave CAA football.

The P5 would do the rest of college football a favor if they split off. The financial disparity from the rest of college football is so large that the rest don’t belong in the same division. If the P5 would separate, the rest of college football would reorganize into conferences that make geographic sense.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
(08-22-2020 11:52 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Why not NDSU in the MWC? Seems like a much better back fill than what you proposed.

JMU isn’t going indy for football. It is no man’s land.

CAA football is a separate entity from the all sports CAA. There no exit fee for JMU to leave CAA football.

The P5 would do the rest of college football a favor if they split off. The financial disparity from the rest of college football is so large that the rest don’t belong in the same division. If the P5 would separate, the rest of college football would reorganize into conferences that make geographic sense.

Because:

1) I think the MWC will not bring in an FCS call up just as I seriously doubt the AAC would.

2) NDSU is a good fcs team that can play ONE game per year against the big boys, but there is no guarantee how they would do over the day to day grind of fbs.

3) They might also not have the budget to make the move.

4) They are a geographical nightmare

5) Football is their only sport...they offer nothing else
08-23-2020 10:20 AM
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
Isn’t the MWC spread out already? Geography is always a challenge for western schools.

There is a lot of oil money in Fargo. They can fund FBS.

NDSU mens basketball is pretty good too. They made it to the NCAA tournament 4 times in the last ten years. They even won tournament games in two different years one against #5 seed Oklahoma.

The your comment about ability to compete at the FBS level week in and week out is an opinion and cannot be proven or disproven.

The only point you made that is correct is that the MWC may not bring up an FCS program but do remember NDSU has won either 8 of 9 or 9 of 10 FCS titles. This isn’t the same as when Marshall moved up. Marshall was a good FCS team like JMU. NDSU is dominant.
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RE: North Dakota State looking for non conference games
Oil money doesn’t necessarily translate into state school budgets.

Competing day in and day out is pretty much proven, but it also depends on the conference. Marshall was (to use your word) dominant in 1-AA. We made the Semifinals in 94 and the finals in 87, 91,92, 93, 95, and 96 (winning in 92 and 96). Several of the powerhouse teams have moved up (Us, App, GaSo). But I will concede to you that we didnt win the title nearly as much a NDSU.

This is where a I can speak from a point of view that is unique. Marshall entered the MAC and dominated it, but when we moved to CUSA in 2005 (Basically the AAC), the difference in depth and speed was ridiculous. It takes its toll over the season.

To your point, could NDSU catch up? Sure..Could they come right in and win the MAC or CUSA? Perhaps, but the extra scholarships make a difference.
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