People have been warning since April that fall college sports were at risk. Not enough people listened. Here we are.

(08-09-2020 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  People have been warning since April that fall college sports were at risk. Not enough people listened. Here we are.

What would anybody have done differently up to this point?

Are players safer going through strict testing protocols as part of a football team, or safer not playing football and just hanging out with their buddies at home? The virus is still there, either way.

Read the statement the Arky State players just released. It's posted here in one of these threads.

Plus, read the tweets just above your post. This may turn out to be a battle of state governors' political positions.

(08-09-2020 11:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  People have been warning since April that fall college sports were at risk. Not enough people listened. Here we are.

What would anybody have done differently up to this point?

Are players safer going through strict testing protocols as part of a football team, or safer not playing football and just hanging out with their buddies at home? The virus is still there, either way.

Read the statement the Arky State players just released. It's posted here in one of these threads.

Plus, read the tweets just above your post. This may turn out to be a battle of state governors' political positions.

This isn't a sports issue; this is a societal issue as well as an issue of amateurism.

Soccer in Europe has been extremely successful in playing sports outside of a bubble because those countries have taken extreme measures to limit the spread of Covid since the original outbreak. We haven't. The Premier League tested players 3 times a week and almost no positive tests since the first week of testing. College football teams are having major outbreaks announced quite often....Louisana Tech just today. Hell, even MLB with all of there resources can't even get the St Louis Cardinals back on the field.

Secondly, college administrators would rather keep up the charade of amateurism instead of incentivizing college athletes economically. If college players had some type of revenue sharing for this season I bet those that dont want to play would quiet down. Instead, the powers that be would rather protect that "amateurism".

Also, Trevor Lawrence, who all the anti player power people have been deifying for the last 24 hours just tweeted that his group and We Are United have joined forces. A players union is becoming more likely....and rightfully so.

(08-09-2020 11:49 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Also, Trevor Lawrence, who all the anti player power people have been deifying for the last 24 hours just tweeted that his group and We Are United have joined forces. A players union is becoming more likely....and rightfully so.

The threat of a players union is more likely to shut the season down than COVID.

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(08-09-2020 11:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:49 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Also, Trevor Lawrence, who all the anti player power people have been deifying for the last 24 hours just tweeted that his group and We Are United have joined forces. A players union is becoming more likely....and rightfully so.

The threat of a players union is more likely to shut the season down than COVID.

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A players union would destroy college football. They play for 4 years and thats it. College isn’t a professional sport. If they want to get paid go play in the soon to be revived XFL.


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Trevor Lawrence could single-handedly save the college football season

if a single down of college football is played...i say give him the Heisman

the big 10 who supposedly "guaranteed" canceled like 3 hours ago, is now "holding off the final decision"....the big 10 was pressuring other p5 to cancel aswell, and with public pressure they would have done it 3 hours ago..now they have the lee-way not not blindly follow the big 10 in whatever decision they make

(08-09-2020 11:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:49 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Also, Trevor Lawrence, who all the anti player power people have been deifying for the last 24 hours just tweeted that his group and We Are United have joined forces. A players union is becoming more likely....and rightfully so.

The threat of a players union is more likely to shut the season down than COVID.

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A players union would destroy college football. They play for 4 years and thats it. College isn’t a professional sport. If they want to get paid go play in the soon to be revived XFL.


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Any sport where hiring a coach demands throwing multiple millions away to hire that coach is a professional sport.

(08-09-2020 11:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:49 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Also, Trevor Lawrence, who all the anti player power people have been deifying for the last 24 hours just tweeted that his group and We Are United have joined forces. A players union is becoming more likely....and rightfully so.

The threat of a players union is more likely to shut the season down than COVID.

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If it means that players are properly compensated for the revenue they create then so be it.

(08-09-2020 11:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:49 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Also, Trevor Lawrence, who all the anti player power people have been deifying for the last 24 hours just tweeted that his group and We Are United have joined forces. A players union is becoming more likely....and rightfully so.

The threat of a players union is more likely to shut the season down than COVID.

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A players union would destroy college football. They play for 4 years and thats it. College isn’t a professional sport. If they want to get paid go play in the soon to be revived XFL.


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Any sport where hiring a coach demands throwing multiple millions away to hire that coach is a professional sport.

Wrong... they aren’t professionals... here is the definition of professional:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional


The fact that most of the college football players aren’t good enough to even get a try out with the NFL is further proof they aren’t professionals.

The coaches however ARE professionals.


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(08-09-2020 11:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:49 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Also, Trevor Lawrence, who all the anti player power people have been deifying for the last 24 hours just tweeted that his group and We Are United have joined forces. A players union is becoming more likely....and rightfully so.

The threat of a players union is more likely to shut the season down than COVID.

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If it means that players are properly compensated for the revenue they create then so be it.

Most of the players are forgotten after 4 years. It’s the school brand that generates the revenue not the players. Plenty of good players have come from schools that no one has heard of. And more often than not no one was paying attention to that school even when those players where there.


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(08-10-2020 12:03 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:49 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Also, Trevor Lawrence, who all the anti player power people have been deifying for the last 24 hours just tweeted that his group and We Are United have joined forces. A players union is becoming more likely....and rightfully so.

The threat of a players union is more likely to shut the season down than COVID.

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If it means that players are properly compensated for the revenue they create then so be it.

Most of the players are forgotten after 4 years. It’s the school brand that generates the revenue not the players. Plenty of good players have come from schools that no one has heard of, and more often than not no one was paying attention to that school even when those players where there.


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That school brand is only kept up because they get the best players. If they dont get those best players then their brand falls apart......see Nebraska, Miami, Tennessee, etc etc. Even my Texas is having a hard time selling season tickets because they can't get players to make them win again.

The players that help those schools win are the ones that keep that brand profitable.

(08-10-2020 12:07 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:03 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:49 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Also, Trevor Lawrence, who all the anti player power people have been deifying for the last 24 hours just tweeted that his group and We Are United have joined forces. A players union is becoming more likely....and rightfully so.

The threat of a players union is more likely to shut the season down than COVID.

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If it means that players are properly compensated for the revenue they create then so be it.

Most of the players are forgotten after 4 years. It’s the school brand that generates the revenue not the players. Plenty of good players have come from schools that no one has heard of, and more often than not no one was paying attention to that school even when those players where there.


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That school brand is only kept up because they get the best players. If they dont get those best players then their brand falls apart......see Nebraska, Miami, Tennessee, etc etc. Even my Texas is having a hard time selling season tickets because they can't get players to make them win again.

The players that help those schools win are the ones that keep that brand profitable.

Ya, but that doesn’t make them professionals, sorry... are female college volleyball players professionals, what about college softball? Can you even name the players who played on the first University of Alabama football team?

While the players help build the brand they also choose that school because of the brand. It’s a mutual existence and if the players don’t like it too bad, go to the XFL and skip college. A majority of players are forgotten no names.

Should crappy player at Utah St. that no one will remember after 4 years be considered a professional? What if he barely is good enough to be on a college team?


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(08-10-2020 12:11 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:07 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:03 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  The threat of a players union is more likely to shut the season down than COVID.

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If it means that players are properly compensated for the revenue they create then so be it.

Most of the players are forgotten after 4 years. It’s the school brand that generates the revenue not the players. Plenty of good players have come from schools that no one has heard of, and more often than not no one was paying attention to that school even when those players where there.


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That school brand is only kept up because they get the best players. If they dont get those best players then their brand falls apart......see Nebraska, Miami, Tennessee, etc etc. Even my Texas is having a hard time selling season tickets because they can't get players to make them win again.

The players that help those schools win are the ones that keep that brand profitable.

Ya, but that doesn’t make them professionals, sorry... are female volleyball players professionals, what about softball? Can you even name the players who played on the first University of Alabama football team?

While the players help build the brand they also choose that school because of the brand. It’s a mutual existence and if the players don’t like it too bad, go to the XFL and skip college. A majority of players are forgotten no names.

Should crappy player at Utah St. that no one will remember after 4 years be considered a professional? What if he barely is good enough to be on a college team?


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Volleyball players dont create billions of dollars in revenue. Athletes on P6 football teams and basketball teams do. When the NCAA Volleyball tournament generates a billion dollars in revenue each year then we can talk about their economic renumeration.


[edit]---The first Bama football team didn't play in a National Championship game that ESPN paid 750 million dollars to air.

(08-10-2020 12:15 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:11 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:07 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:03 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  If it means that players are properly compensated for the revenue they create then so be it.

Most of the players are forgotten after 4 years. It’s the school brand that generates the revenue not the players. Plenty of good players have come from schools that no one has heard of, and more often than not no one was paying attention to that school even when those players where there.


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That school brand is only kept up because they get the best players. If they dont get those best players then their brand falls apart......see Nebraska, Miami, Tennessee, etc etc. Even my Texas is having a hard time selling season tickets because they can't get players to make them win again.

The players that help those schools win are the ones that keep that brand profitable.

Ya, but that doesn’t make them professionals, sorry... are female volleyball players professionals, what about softball? Can you even name the players who played on the first University of Alabama football team?

While the players help build the brand they also choose that school because of the brand. It’s a mutual existence and if the players don’t like it too bad, go to the XFL and skip college. A majority of players are forgotten no names.

Should crappy player at Utah St. that no one will remember after 4 years be considered a professional? What if he barely is good enough to be on a college team?


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Volleyball players dont create billions of dollars in revenue. Athletes on P6 football teams and basketball teams do. When the NCAA Volleyball tournament generates a billion dollars in revenue each year then we can talk about their economic renumeration.

Ohh so now it’s about who is better than who? So just because the males are better than the women they should get paid? Ya good luck with that! The lawsuits alone would destroy most colleges.

You also didn’t answer my question. Why should crappy player on Utah St. team be considered a professional? Unless you are going to argue that only certain players should get paid. Then once again good luck with the lawsuits.

At the end of the day there is no way to ever make it work. Because it shouldn’t work that way. If you don’t like how college is setup create a league and skip college. Or better yet support the XFL.

Lastly you can’t even argue the players generate revenue for the schools as most Schools operate at a huge deficit when it comes to college football. If anything the players are COSTING the colleges money.


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(08-10-2020 12:16 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:15 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:11 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:07 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:03 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Most of the players are forgotten after 4 years. It’s the school brand that generates the revenue not the players. Plenty of good players have come from schools that no one has heard of, and more often than not no one was paying attention to that school even when those players where there.


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That school brand is only kept up because they get the best players. If they dont get those best players then their brand falls apart......see Nebraska, Miami, Tennessee, etc etc. Even my Texas is having a hard time selling season tickets because they can't get players to make them win again.

The players that help those schools win are the ones that keep that brand profitable.

Ya, but that doesn’t make them professionals, sorry... are female volleyball players professionals, what about softball? Can you even name the players who played on the first University of Alabama football team?

While the players help build the brand they also choose that school because of the brand. It’s a mutual existence and if the players don’t like it too bad, go to the XFL and skip college. A majority of players are forgotten no names.

Should crappy player at Utah St. that no one will remember after 4 years be considered a professional? What if he barely is good enough to be on a college team?


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Volleyball players dont create billions of dollars in revenue. Athletes on P6 football teams and basketball teams do. When the NCAA Volleyball tournament generates a billion dollars in revenue each year then we can talk about their economic renumeration.

Ohh so now it’s about who is better than who? So just because the males are better than the women they should get paid? Ya good luck with that! The lawsuits alone would destroy most colleges.

You also didn’t answer my question. Why should crappy player on Utah St. team be considered a professional? Unless you are going to argue that only certain players should get paid. Then once again good luck with the lawsuits.

At the end of the day there is no way to ever make it work. Because it shouldn’t work that way. If you don’t like how college is setup create a league and skip college. Or better yet support the XFL.


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Utah States football coaching staff makes about 2 million a year. Yes, they should get some of that.


edit----about 2.7 million

(08-10-2020 12:23 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:16 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:15 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:11 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:07 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  That school brand is only kept up because they get the best players. If they dont get those best players then their brand falls apart......see Nebraska, Miami, Tennessee, etc etc. Even my Texas is having a hard time selling season tickets because they can't get players to make them win again.

The players that help those schools win are the ones that keep that brand profitable.

Ya, but that doesn’t make them professionals, sorry... are female volleyball players professionals, what about softball? Can you even name the players who played on the first University of Alabama football team?

While the players help build the brand they also choose that school because of the brand. It’s a mutual existence and if the players don’t like it too bad, go to the XFL and skip college. A majority of players are forgotten no names.

Should crappy player at Utah St. that no one will remember after 4 years be considered a professional? What if he barely is good enough to be on a college team?


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Volleyball players dont create billions of dollars in revenue. Athletes on P6 football teams and basketball teams do. When the NCAA Volleyball tournament generates a billion dollars in revenue each year then we can talk about their economic renumeration.

Ohh so now it’s about who is better than who? So just because the males are better than the women they should get paid? Ya good luck with that! The lawsuits alone would destroy most colleges.

You also didn’t answer my question. Why should crappy player on Utah St. team be considered a professional? Unless you are going to argue that only certain players should get paid. Then once again good luck with the lawsuits.

At the end of the day there is no way to ever make it work. Because it shouldn’t work that way. If you don’t like how college is setup create a league and skip college. Or better yet support the XFL.


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Utah States football coaching staff makes about 2 million a year. Yes, they should get some of that.

Why? Because it’s not fair? Sorry but life isn’t fair. Just because someone earns more money then you doesn’t entitle you to anything. NONE of those players are forced to play college ball.

It’s also hilarious how you keep dodging the question. Should the crappy bench player who will never play more than lets say 20 games in 4 years get paid $50-$100k depending on the school?

Remember most schools operate at HUGE deficits. So if you think they can afford to then pay players on top of that you are sadly mistaken. Then factor in the smaller schools would have to pay HUGE amounts just to stay competitive with the big schools. Already over 100 colleges are predicted to fold if there is no college ball, but sure they can afford to pay 80+ players $50k a year.


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Athletes are the definition of a privileged class. Being a D1 scholarship athlete is a cushy ******* deal. You basically get bank rolled while you pursue your dream. If you don't go pro then you graduate with a degree you wouldn't have normally been able to obtain which increases your lifetime earnings significantly. If a player doesn't like it that deal then they don't have to take it. There are plenty of other kids who would love a shot at playing college ball. The only strategic leverage players sort of have in this is the court of public opinion but I'm not sure they're really winning there either.

(08-10-2020 12:35 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Athletes are the definition of a privileged class. Being a D1 scholarship athlete is a cushy ******* deal. You basically get bank rolled while you pursue your dream. If you don't go pro then you graduate with a degree you wouldn't have normally been able to obtain which increases your lifetime earnings significantly. If a player doesn't like it that deal then they don't have to take it. There are plenty of other kids who would love a shot at playing college ball. The only strategic leverage players sort of have in this is the court of public opinion but I'm not sure they're really winning there either.

Agreed!


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(08-09-2020 11:41 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  People have been warning since April that fall college sports were at risk. Not enough people listened. Here we are.

What would anybody have done differently up to this point?

Are players safer going through strict testing protocols as part of a football team, or safer not playing football and just hanging out with their buddies at home? The virus is still there, either way.

Read the statement the Arky State players just released. It's posted here in one of these threads.

Plus, read the tweets just above your post. This may turn out to be a battle of state governors' political positions.

This isn't a sports issue; this is a societal issue as well as an issue of amateurism.

Soccer in Europe has been extremely successful in playing sports outside of a bubble because those countries have taken extreme measures to limit the spread of Covid since the original outbreak. We haven't. The Premier League tested players 3 times a week and almost no positive tests since the first week of testing. College football teams are having major outbreaks announced quite often....Louisana Tech just today. Hell, even MLB with all of there resources can't even get the St Louis Cardinals back on the field.

Secondly, college administrators would rather keep up the charade of amateurism instead of incentivizing college athletes economically. If college players had some type of revenue sharing for this season I bet those that dont want to play would quiet down. Instead, the powers that be would rather protect that "amateurism".

You didn't answer my question. Are college football players safer playing football and being tested on a regular basis, or not playing football and hanging out with their friends without any testing?

That has nothing to do with social justice, player compensation or anything else. Just a common sense question. What does not playing football accomplish that is safer than if they play football?