(08-12-2020 09:39 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

Not really related to numbers' comments....

Why should a woman be treated any different from a man in the identical situation? Trump was called an incestuous pedophile and I don't recall anyone suggesting that this was 'ungentlemanly'.

A man who abuses his position to get sex from women - there are crimes and words and HR manuals to describe that. We don't have many words and crimes and HR manuals to describe women who use sex to get ahead. I've heard some describe them as 'empowered', which can be true if you focus on the male culpability of that issue, but what about the impact that such actions have on other women?

My daughter lost a job in film because she wouldn't sleep with the producer... and of course the guy is a complete scumbag... but had there not been another woman willing to do so, she might still have her job.

The left has double standards within double standards within double standards.

i.e.: 'situation dependent viewpoint'

(08-12-2020 09:41 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  From elsewhere:

In order to appeal to disaffected black voters who might lean toward protest voting (Kanye) or not voting (2016), Democrats ingeniously picked the one black candidate whose parents are not from America, whose ancestors had slaves, and who spent her career locking up black men.

I keep wondering why she is referred to as "black" rather than "Indian-American". Isn't it 50-50?

(08-11-2020 04:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

Abrams was the worst, and Rice the second worst, IMO. Maybe there is a reason we are always at each other's throats.

To the extent I was ever "at your throat", it wasn't for policy reasons. I'm just happy it wasn't Klobuchar as you predicted when she dropped out of the race, as that might have involved me eating a hat or something!

(08-12-2020 08:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Honestly, nobody on the left can be said to be "moderate" except as compared to others on the left. Kind of in the same way Rommel was a "moderate" Nazi compared to Hitler.

Comparing people on the left to Nazis is the kind of thing that made me want to be "at your throat".

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

I have absolutely no intention of doing so.

If elected, then when Biden gets 25th Amendmented, Kamala the Slut will be the most despicable human being ever to occupy the white house.

I would have preferred Susan Rice to either Harris or Abrams. And I would have preferred Hillary to any of them.

(08-12-2020 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:39 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

Not really related to numbers' comments....

Why should a woman be treated any different from a man in the identical situation? Trump was called an incestuous pedophile and I don't recall anyone suggesting that this was 'ungentlemanly'.

A man who abuses his position to get sex from women - there are crimes and words and HR manuals to describe that. We don't have many words and crimes and HR manuals to describe women who use sex to get ahead. I've heard some describe them as 'empowered', which can be true if you focus on the male culpability of that issue, but what about the impact that such actions have on other women?

My daughter lost a job in film because she wouldn't sleep with the producer... and of course the guy is a complete scumbag... but had there not been another woman willing to do so, she might still have her job.

The left has double standards within double standards within double standards.

i.e.: 'situation dependent viewpoint'

As my father would have said, it just depends on whose ox is getting gored.

But for decades, I have noted that they define racist as only against blacks and sexist as only against women.

(08-12-2020 09:45 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

Abrams was the worst, and Rice the second worst, IMO. Maybe there is a reason we are always at each other's throats.

To the extent I was ever "at your throat", it wasn't for policy reasons. I'm just happy it wasn't Klobuchar as you predicted when she dropped out of the race, as that might have involved me eating a hat or something!

(08-12-2020 08:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Honestly, nobody on the left can be said to be "moderate" except as compared to others on the left. Kind of in the same way Rommel was a "moderate" Nazi compared to Hitler.

Comparing people on the left to Nazis is the kind of thing that made me want to be "at your throat".

He isnt comparing people on the left to Nazis if you read a little more carefully.

(08-12-2020 09:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Why should a woman be treated any different from a man in the identical situation? Trump was called an incestuous pedophile and I don't recall anyone suggesting that this was 'ungentlemanly'.

Did someone around here do that? My comment was directed toward keeping this board clean and nothing else. If so, they should have absolutely been chastised and I would have done so. There are certainly some rumors on the pedophile front related to Epstein, but pedophile is basically one of the worst words to sling around at someone and it should be done unless there is significant proof of some sort. Certainly the way he has talked about Ivanka has been weird and uncomfortable on some occasions, but "incestuous" is an accusation that crosses the line by a lot.

(08-12-2020 09:39 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

Not really related to numbers' comments....

Why should a woman be treated any different from a man in the identical situation? Trump was called an incestuous pedophile and I don't recall anyone suggesting that this was 'ungentlemanly'.

A man who abuses his position to get sex from women - there are crimes and words and HR manuals to describe that. We don't have many words and crimes and HR manuals to describe women who use sex to get ahead. I've heard some describe them as 'empowered', which can be true if you focus on the male culpability of that issue, but what about the impact that such actions have on other women?

My daughter lost a job in film because she wouldn't sleep with the producer... and of course the guy is a complete scumbag... but had there not been another woman willing to do so, she might still have her job.

The left has double standards within double standards within double standards.

At least we have standards? (that is a joke)

(08-12-2020 09:52 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:39 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

Not really related to numbers' comments....

Why should a woman be treated any different from a man in the identical situation? Trump was called an incestuous pedophile and I don't recall anyone suggesting that this was 'ungentlemanly'.

A man who abuses his position to get sex from women - there are crimes and words and HR manuals to describe that. We don't have many words and crimes and HR manuals to describe women who use sex to get ahead. I've heard some describe them as 'empowered', which can be true if you focus on the male culpability of that issue, but what about the impact that such actions have on other women?

My daughter lost a job in film because she wouldn't sleep with the producer... and of course the guy is a complete scumbag... but had there not been another woman willing to do so, she might still have her job.

The left has double standards within double standards within double standards.

At least we have standards? (that is a joke)

Ones that they try to cram down everyone else's throat, you forgot to add.

(08-12-2020 09:52 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:39 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

Not really related to numbers' comments....

Why should a woman be treated any different from a man in the identical situation? Trump was called an incestuous pedophile and I don't recall anyone suggesting that this was 'ungentlemanly'.

A man who abuses his position to get sex from women - there are crimes and words and HR manuals to describe that. We don't have many words and crimes and HR manuals to describe women who use sex to get ahead. I've heard some describe them as 'empowered', which can be true if you focus on the male culpability of that issue, but what about the impact that such actions have on other women?

My daughter lost a job in film because she wouldn't sleep with the producer... and of course the guy is a complete scumbag... but had there not been another woman willing to do so, she might still have her job.

The left has double standards within double standards within double standards.

At least we have standards? (that is a joke)

I actually thought the same thing when I was typing. So, yes, I get the joke.

Yes, you guys have standards - bad ones. Unfair ones. Biased ones.

Of course, the right has standards too, contrary to your implication that we have none.

I hope all is well with you and your family. I am good too.

(08-12-2020 09:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:50 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  At least she is for sending bad guys to jail. Now if we could just agree on the definition of a bad guy.

Hint: Start with her.

You think Kamala Harris should be in jail? Is this the new "Lock her up!"?

(08-12-2020 09:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

I have absolutely no intention of doing so.

If elected, then when Biden gets 25th Amendmented, Kamala the Slut will be the most despicable human being ever to occupy the white house.

I would have preferred Susan Rice to either Harris or Abrams. And I would have preferred Hillary to any of them.

Oh great. I can't wait for months/years of this.

(08-12-2020 09:51 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:45 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

Abrams was the worst, and Rice the second worst, IMO. Maybe there is a reason we are always at each other's throats.

To the extent I was ever "at your throat", it wasn't for policy reasons. I'm just happy it wasn't Klobuchar as you predicted when she dropped out of the race, as that might have involved me eating a hat or something!

(08-12-2020 08:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Honestly, nobody on the left can be said to be "moderate" except as compared to others on the left. Kind of in the same way Rommel was a "moderate" Nazi compared to Hitler.

Comparing people on the left to Nazis is the kind of thing that made me want to be "at your throat".

He isnt comparing people on the left to Nazis if you read a little more carefully.

I mean, he is using both in the same simile or analogy (or whatever, grammar isn't my strong suit). If I used conservatives (or libertarians) and nazis in the same way, I'd understand if conservatives (or libertarians) were annoyed (at best). OO could have found many other examples other than nazis.

(08-12-2020 09:58 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Ones that they try to cram down everyone else's throat...

(08-12-2020 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

I have absolutely no intention of doing so.

If elected, then when Biden gets 25th Amendmented, Kamala the Slut will be the most despicable human being ever to occupy the white house.

Oh great. I can't wait for months/years of this.

I haven't checked this place in a few weeks. I see Hambone's efforts to get folks to self-police themselves have failed miserably. Ah well, I applaud his effort.

(08-12-2020 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  But for decades, I have noted that they define racist as only against blacks and sexist as only against women.

Clarification... by whites against blacks, and by men against women. When women play into it for their advantage to the detriment of other women (my daughter), that's apparently okay.

(08-12-2020 09:52 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Why should a woman be treated any different from a man in the identical situation? Trump was called an incestuous pedophile and I don't recall anyone suggesting that this was 'ungentlemanly'.

Did someone around here do that? My comment was directed toward keeping this board clean and nothing else. If so, they should have absolutely been chastised and I would have done so. There are certainly some rumors on the pedophile front related to Epstein, but pedophile is basically one of the worst words to sling around at someone and it should be done unless there is significant proof of some sort. Certainly the way he has talked about Ivanka has been weird and uncomfortable on some occasions, but "incestuous" is an accusation that crosses the line by a lot.

Did anyone suggest that such comments that were made fairly regularly elsewhere shouldn't be done here? Why did you edit out the part of my comment that responds to this, and then respond to it as if I hadn't said it?

Quote:Not really related to numbers' comments....

I understand you want to make a different point, but so too did I.

I guess I'd ask this... it was asked before and I still haven't seen a good response...

How should I refer to the girl who slept with the producer to get my daughter's job? How should we refer to women who encourage misogyny for their own benefit to the detriment of other women?

Given her position, I think the issues are on point. I think the questions are relevant. I too would encourage more civil discussions here, but that means we have to be able to express politely the actions being discussed. Calling her a hypocrite and 'not a champion of women's issues' doesn't (IMO) remotely reflect the distaste of the situation. I'm not trying to be cheeky... I'm honestly asking for another term to describe such actions.

Otherwise, it just becomes a double standard where it's okay to talk about Trump's 'weird and uncomfortable' way of speaking about his daughter versus Kamala's 'hypocritical, unethical and harmful to women' way of achieving her position.

(08-12-2020 11:12 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  But for decades, I have noted that they define racist as only against blacks and sexist as only against women.

Clarification... by whites against blacks, and by men against women. When women play into it for their advantage to the detriment of other women (my daughter), that's apparently okay.

(08-12-2020 09:52 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Why should a woman be treated any different from a man in the identical situation? Trump was called an incestuous pedophile and I don't recall anyone suggesting that this was 'ungentlemanly'.

Did someone around here do that? My comment was directed toward keeping this board clean and nothing else. If so, they should have absolutely been chastised and I would have done so. There are certainly some rumors on the pedophile front related to Epstein, but pedophile is basically one of the worst words to sling around at someone and it should be done unless there is significant proof of some sort. Certainly the way he has talked about Ivanka has been weird and uncomfortable on some occasions, but "incestuous" is an accusation that crosses the line by a lot.

Did anyone suggest that such comments that were made fairly regularly elsewhere shouldn't be done here? Why did you edit out the part of my comment that responds to this, and then respond to it as if I hadn't said it?

Quote:Not really related to numbers' comments....

I understand you want to make a different point, but so too did I.

I guess I'd ask this... it was asked before and I still haven't seen a good response...

How should I refer to the girl who slept with the producer to get my daughter's job? How should we refer to women who encourage misogyny for their own benefit to the detriment of other women?

Given her position, I think the issues are on point. I think the questions are relevant. I too would encourage more civil discussions here, but that means we have to be able to express politely the actions being discussed. Calling her a hypocrite and 'not a champion of women's issues' doesn't (IMO) remotely reflect the distaste of the situation. I'm not trying to be cheeky... I'm honestly asking for another term to describe such actions.

Otherwise, it just becomes a double standard where it's okay to talk about Trump's 'weird and uncomfortable' way of speaking about his daughter versus Kamala's 'hypocritical, unethical and harmful to women' way of achieving her position.

Let's be fair - no one on here regularly refers to Trump as Trump the Pedo.

Yet we have a poster on here that regularly refers to Harris as Kamala the Slut.

(08-12-2020 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

I have absolutely no intention of doing so.

If elected, then when Biden gets 25th Amendmented, Kamala the Slut will be the most despicable human being ever to occupy the white house.

I would have preferred Susan Rice to either Harris or Abrams. And I would have preferred Hillary to any of them.

Oh great. I can't wait for months/years of this.

It bothers you that he would have preferred Hillary? Or Rice?

I could not stomach Rice because of her Sunday morning lie-fest. I could not stomach Abrams because of her one-issue advocacy, and that an issue I consider largely a myth.

Or are you bothered by the way he expresses his disdain? I feel the same way when your crowd calls Trump a Russian puppet with much less cause. Names are OK for conservatives/men, I guess, but not for liberals/women. Just one of the double standards I was referring to. There seems to be little argument that her former sex life helped her career. None of you have advanced that theory.


Personally, I don't care if she was turning tricks on the Embarcadero - or not. But no need to label her a paragon of purity. when you guys point at Trump's divorces, infidelities, and bimbo payoffs, just remember the high ground is not yours alone.

(08-12-2020 10:58 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:51 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:45 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

Abrams was the worst, and Rice the second worst, IMO. Maybe there is a reason we are always at each other's throats.

To the extent I was ever "at your throat", it wasn't for policy reasons. I'm just happy it wasn't Klobuchar as you predicted when she dropped out of the race, as that might have involved me eating a hat or something!

(08-12-2020 08:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Honestly, nobody on the left can be said to be "moderate" except as compared to others on the left. Kind of in the same way Rommel was a "moderate" Nazi compared to Hitler.

Comparing people on the left to Nazis is the kind of thing that made me want to be "at your throat".

He isnt comparing people on the left to Nazis if you read a little more carefully.

I mean, he is using both in the same simile or analogy (or whatever, grammar isn't my strong suit). If I used conservatives (or libertarians) and nazis in the same way, I'd understand if conservatives (or libertarians) were annoyed (at best). OO could have found many other examples other than nazis.

Go right ahead. Grammar is a strong suit of mine. So are logic, and reading.

To define moderate, you have to have a standard of comparison. it doesn't matter the category, as long as the people being compared are both in the same category. So I was comparing one Nazi to another (you missed that while your knee was jerking) to show how one can be a bad person (i.e., a Nazi) and still be a moderate when compared to others in the category (i. e. Rommel vs.Hitler).

Claro? I hope your knee calms soon.

(08-12-2020 11:01 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 09:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I liked Stacy Abrams more, but was fine with Susan Rice or Kamala Harris. Hopefully 69/70/75 can mind his P's and Q's and be a gentleman about this...

I have absolutely no intention of doing so.

If elected, then when Biden gets 25th Amendmented, Kamala the Slut will be the most despicable human being ever to occupy the white house.

Oh great. I can't wait for months/years of this.

I haven't checked this place in a few weeks. I see Hambone's efforts to get folks to self-police themselves have failed miserably. Ah well, I applaud his effort.

Adios.

I don't think hushing one side of the debate is what Ham had in mind.