(07-04-2020 10:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 09:32 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 09:23 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 07:06 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 05:55 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  right on cue.. lol

What does that even mean?

whenever something about a rust belt school gets mentioned you come in on your cape..

So bullet makes a statement that I find interesting and respectfully question him on what he meant and you have to come protect him? Talk about a couple insecure dudes!

I think you need to go through my history before making any more asinine comments about me.

Everyone needs to be careful about grouping posters by conference affiliation. There are immense differences among the various conferences posters. Some Big 10 posters may say that the Big 12 has deadweight, not all. Among the Big 12 posters there is some disagreement over issues as well.

Terms like little 8, Rust Belt, etc are hackneyed expressions of disdain. So is the ubiquitous threepeat of SEC. But hey at least these three conferences get attacked. I can't think of what the PAC is called other than a mess.

So why don't we back it down a peg all the way around. And as far as little 8 goes I think that is circulated most commonly by an SEC poster that was once a part of the Big 12.

The viewer data is very revealing and I would refer everyone who wants to get into a pissing match to review that before dissing a lot of these schools which may not win much but do draw eyeballs.

I say that because if there is a culling of the herd it will be those with the least market penetration that fall by the wayside. Wins and losses are nice but there are the same number of winners as losers every week. But eyeballs pay the bills.

Fair points.

Thiefery, Bullet and JRsec, happy 4th of July fellows!

(07-04-2020 05:48 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 04:02 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:58 PM)ken d Wrote:  Average W-L percentages by conference (based on the current alignment of teams):

SEC... .586
ACC... .567
B1G... .554
XII.... .552
PAC... .549

Not as much difference as I would have imagined before compiling this data. And, roughly half the schools of each conference (including Notre Dame with the ACC) rank in the top 2 quartiles (#1 - #32).

One statistic that jumped out at me was that no Big Ten schools are in the 3rd quartile, but fully half (7 schools) rank in the bottom quartile. No other P5 conference had more than 25% of its members ranked that low.

Regarding the BIG with 7 schools in the lowest quartile...that occurs because their latest additions (Rutgers and Maryland) built their reputations in other conferences and only recently switched to the BIG.

Back in the 1960s and 1970s it was difficult to judge whether Penn State had good teams...or their competition was just really weak. That formula still works in the BIG.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. For both schools, their win% before joining the B1G was substantially better than it has been since. But however they got there, the fact is that the current makeup of the league is very top heavy.

Their winning percentage may have been slightly better, but not at all convinced that Maryland’s football teams were any different prior to joining the BIG. Maryland football was good under Friedgen...otherwise the Maryland teams have been consistently bad for about 35 years. Based on sports-reference.com website, Maryland’s SRS scores during their 6 years in the BIG is actually better than their final 6 years in the ACC (average annual SRS = 0.05 in BIG vs -1.80 in ACC). The biggest difference is likely that Maryland is now playing 10 P5 games per year...the extra P5 game is creating an annual extra half-loss per year.

The point of my posting is that the BIG expanded with Maryland and Rutgers partly because these schools should reliably make the traditional power football teams (OSU, Michigan and especially PSU) look good. The weaker football programs can protect the major brands. In terms of football reputations, the BIG schools seem to have the largest variances. Now that Maryland and Rutgers are in the BIG, one of weaker programs also has an opportunity to elevate its status (NW, Indiana??).

(07-06-2020 12:05 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 05:48 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 04:02 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:58 PM)ken d Wrote:  Average W-L percentages by conference (based on the current alignment of teams):

SEC... .586
ACC... .567
B1G... .554
XII.... .552
PAC... .549

Not as much difference as I would have imagined before compiling this data. And, roughly half the schools of each conference (including Notre Dame with the ACC) rank in the top 2 quartiles (#1 - #32).

One statistic that jumped out at me was that no Big Ten schools are in the 3rd quartile, but fully half (7 schools) rank in the bottom quartile. No other P5 conference had more than 25% of its members ranked that low.

Regarding the BIG with 7 schools in the lowest quartile...that occurs because their latest additions (Rutgers and Maryland) built their reputations in other conferences and only recently switched to the BIG.

Back in the 1960s and 1970s it was difficult to judge whether Penn State had good teams...or their competition was just really weak. That formula still works in the BIG.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. For both schools, their win% before joining the B1G was substantially better than it has been since. But however they got there, the fact is that the current makeup of the league is very top heavy.

Their winning percentage may have been slightly better, but not at all convinced that Maryland’s football teams were any different prior to joining the BIG. Maryland football was good under Friedgen...otherwise the Maryland teams have been consistently bad for about 35 years. Based on sports-reference.com website, Maryland’s SRS scores during their 6 years in the BIG is actually better than their final 6 years in the ACC (average annual SRS = 0.05 in BIG vs -1.80 in ACC). The biggest difference is likely that Maryland is now playing 10 P5 games per year...the extra P5 game is creating an annual extra half-loss per year.

The point of my posting is that the BIG expanded with Maryland and Rutgers partly because these schools should reliably make the traditional power football teams (OSU, Michigan and especially PSU) look good. The weaker football programs can protect the major brands. In terms of football reputations, the BIG schools seem to have the largest variances. Now that Maryland and Rutgers are in the BIG, one of weaker programs also has an opportunity to elevate its status (NW, Indiana??).

Yes. I probably misspoke when I said they were "substantially" better. The fact is, the Terps win% for the period before they joined the B1G would only have improved their ranking by one place. They still would have been in the bottom quartile.

I agree with you that the two schools' football prowess, actual or potential, was never a factor in their being invited. Some schools benefit a conference by winning consistently, and others by losing consistently.

(07-04-2020 11:47 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 04:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734
6... Miami............... .731
7... Florida.............. .725
8... Georgia............. .725
9... Clemson............ .713
10. Michigan............ .711
11. Penn State......... .711
12. Southern Cal...... .682
13. Auburn.............. .680
14. LSU.................. .674
15. Texas................ .669
16. Notre Dame....... .664
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

Big 10 people like to talk about the deadweight in the Big 12.

Bottom 15
Big 10 7
SEC 2
ACC 2
Pac 12 2
Big 12 2

I find that folks on here that have teams in the BIG are among the most level-headed posters. Not sure where your statement of "people" comes from? Just thought your comment was interesting.

As someone who lives in the Midwest the B10 posters on this board, including CUBucks, are are pretty rationale. Trust me guys, it can be wayyy worse.

(07-06-2020 12:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 11:47 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 04:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734
6... Miami............... .731
7... Florida.............. .725
8... Georgia............. .725
9... Clemson............ .713
10. Michigan............ .711
11. Penn State......... .711
12. Southern Cal...... .682
13. Auburn.............. .680
14. LSU.................. .674
15. Texas................ .669
16. Notre Dame....... .664
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

Big 10 people like to talk about the deadweight in the Big 12.

Bottom 15
Big 10 7
SEC 2
ACC 2
Pac 12 2
Big 12 2

I find that folks on here that have teams in the BIG are among the most level-headed posters. Not sure where your statement of "people" comes from? Just thought your comment was interesting.

As someone who lives in the Midwest the B10 posters on this board, including CUBucks, are are pretty rationale. Trust me guys, it can be wayyy worse.

That's why I'm at this forum. I'm not a fan of team and/or conference specific sites. Way too much drama and hate towards everyone but their own. I honestly try to be fair with everything I write.

By the way, The Big 12 is a fabulous conference and anybody that thinks otherwise is not very informed.

(07-06-2020 12:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 11:47 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 04:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734
6... Miami............... .731
7... Florida.............. .725
8... Georgia............. .725
9... Clemson............ .713
10. Michigan............ .711
11. Penn State......... .711
12. Southern Cal...... .682
13. Auburn.............. .680
14. LSU.................. .674
15. Texas................ .669
16. Notre Dame....... .664
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

Big 10 people like to talk about the deadweight in the Big 12.

Bottom 15
Big 10 7
SEC 2
ACC 2
Pac 12 2
Big 12 2

I find that folks on here that have teams in the BIG are among the most level-headed posters. Not sure where your statement of "people" comes from? Just thought your comment was interesting.

As someone who lives in the Midwest the B10 posters on this board, including CUBucks, are are pretty rationale. Trust me guys, it can be wayyy worse.

I concur.

(07-06-2020 01:37 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 12:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As someone who lives in the Midwest the B10 posters on this board, including CUBucks, are are pretty rationale. Trust me guys, it can be wayyy worse.

That's why I'm at this forum. I'm not a fan of team and/or conference specific sites. Way too much drama and hate towards everyone but their own. I honestly try to be fair with everything I write.

By the way, The Big 12 is a fabulous conference and anybody that thinks otherwise is not very informed.

Ohio State fans are......... not all bad.
[Ugh, that hurt!]



BTW, guys, I'm just kidding! I once had a close friend who was a Buckeye fan.

(07-06-2020 04:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 01:37 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 12:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As someone who lives in the Midwest the B10 posters on this board, including CUBucks, are are pretty rationale. Trust me guys, it can be wayyy worse.

That's why I'm at this forum. I'm not a fan of team and/or conference specific sites. Way too much drama and hate towards everyone but their own. I honestly try to be fair with everything I write.

By the way, The Big 12 is a fabulous conference and anybody that thinks otherwise is not very informed.

Ohio State fans are......... not all bad.
[Ugh, that hurt!]



BTW, guys, I'm just kidding! I once had a close friend who was a Buckeye fan.

I feel your pain, it's the same when I say something nice about That Team Up North.

Hokies!

(07-06-2020 05:14 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 04:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 01:37 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 12:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As someone who lives in the Midwest the B10 posters on this board, including CUBucks, are are pretty rationale. Trust me guys, it can be wayyy worse.

That's why I'm at this forum. I'm not a fan of team and/or conference specific sites. Way too much drama and hate towards everyone but their own. I honestly try to be fair with everything I write.

By the way, The Big 12 is a fabulous conference and anybody that thinks otherwise is not very informed.

Ohio State fans are......... not all bad.
[Ugh, that hurt!]



BTW, guys, I'm just kidding! I once had a close friend who was a Buckeye fan.

I feel your pain, it's the same when I say something nice about That Team Up North.

Hokies!

You're alright with me, Buckeye!

kumbaya