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1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734
6... Miami............... .731
7... Florida.............. .725
8... Georgia............. .725
9... Clemson............ .713
10. Michigan............ .711
11. Penn State......... .711
12. Southern Cal...... .682
13. Auburn.............. .680
14. LSU.................. .674
15. Texas................ .669
16. Notre Dame....... .664
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

Average W-L percentages by conference (based on the current alignment of teams):

SEC... .586
ACC... .567
B1G... .554
XII.... .552
PAC... .549

Not as much difference as I would have imagined before compiling this data. And, roughly half the schools of each conference (including Notre Dame with the ACC) rank in the top 2 quartiles (#1 - #32).

One statistic that jumped out at me was that no Big Ten schools are in the 3rd quartile, but fully half (7 schools) rank in the bottom quartile. No other P5 conference had more than 25% of its members ranked that low.

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734
6... Miami............... .731
7... Florida.............. .725
8... Georgia............. .725
9... Clemson............ .713
10. Michigan............ .711
11. Penn State......... .711
12. Southern Cal...... .682
13. Auburn.............. .680
14. LSU.................. .674
15. Texas................ .669
16. Notre Dame....... .664
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

Big 10 people like to talk about the deadweight in the Big 12.

Bottom 15
Big 10 7
SEC 2
ACC 2
Pac 12 2
Big 12 2

The PAC's "decline" may not be much of a decline at all. There is only one PAC team in the 1st quartile - Southern Cal at #12 - over a 40 year span.

I'm surprised that Northwestern and Illinois were that bad.

(07-03-2020 08:38 PM)dxdtdemon Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised that Northwestern and Illinois were that bad.

You must be young if you don't remember really pathetic Northwestern in the 80's. Or I'm old. I'm not sure what counts as old these days.

(07-03-2020 09:12 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 08:38 PM)dxdtdemon Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised that Northwestern and Illinois were that bad.

You must be young if you don't remember really pathetic Northwestern in the 80's. Or I'm old. I'm not sure what counts as old these days.

Shows you how well KSU has done. Because in the 80s, they were just like Northwestern.

I am not sure if it is still true today, but a few years ago, the top 7 teams (OSU, Mich, PSU, Neb, Wisc, MSU, Iowa) in the Big Ten all had average football attendance over 70,000 and bottom 7 teams all had average attendance below 50,000. There was a clear line between the top 7 football schools and bottom 7.

More recently NW, Purdue, Minnesota, and Indiana have had some decent bowl seasons to help blur the lines. It will be interesting if an increase in attendance follows. Maybe before the pandemic. Now I am not so sure.

(07-03-2020 04:09 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734
6... Miami............... .731
7... Florida.............. .725
8... Georgia............. .725
9... Clemson............ .713
10. Michigan............ .711
11. Penn State......... .711
12. Southern Cal...... .682
13. Auburn.............. .680
14. LSU.................. .674
15. Texas................ .669
16. Notre Dame....... .664
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

Big 10 people like to talk about the deadweight in the Big 12.

Bottom 15
Big 10 7
SEC 2
ACC 2
Pac 12 2
Big 12 2

I find that folks on here that have teams in the BIG are among the most level-headed posters. Not sure where your statement of "people" comes from? Just thought your comment was interesting.

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784...(2, 2, 2014)
2... Florida State..... .754...(3, 1, 2013)
3... Alabama........... .750...(6, 5, 2017)
4... Oklahoma......... .746...(2, 1, 2000)
5... Nebraska.......... .734...(2.5, 0, 1997)
6... Miami............... .731...(4.5, 1, 2001)
7... Florida.............. .725...(3, 2, 2008)
8... Georgia............. .725...(1, 0, 1980)
9... Clemson............ .713...(3, 2, 2018)
10. Michigan............ .711...(0.5, 0, 1991)
11. Penn State......... .711...(2, 0, 1986)
12. Southern Cal...... .682...(1.5, 1.5, 2004)
13. Auburn.............. .680...(1, 1, 2010)
14. LSU.................. .674...(2.5, 2.5, 2019)
15. Texas................ .669...(1, 1, 2005)
16. Notre Dame....... .664...(1, 0, 1988)
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661...(1, 0, 1998)
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616...(0.5, 0, 1991)
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533...(0.5, 0, 1990)
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500...(0.5, 0, 1990)
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

OP edited to add # of NCs won in the past 40 years, NCs in the past 20 years, and last year to win or share a championship). The past 20 year wins are also included in the past 40 years. If there was a split championship (possible before the CFP) each team was given 0.5 wins for that year). Note that no P5 school won or shared the 1984 title, won by BYU.

(07-03-2020 03:58 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]Average W-L percentages by conference (based on the current alignment of teams):

SEC... .586
ACC... .567
B1G... .554
XII.... .552
PAC... .549

Not as much difference as I would have imagined before compiling this data. And, roughly half the schools of each conference (including Notre Dame with the ACC) rank in the top 2 quartiles (#1 - #32).

One statistic that jumped out at me was that no Big Ten schools are in the 3rd quartile, but fully half (7 schools) rank in the bottom quartile. No other P5 conference had more than 25% of its members ranked that low.

Regarding the BIG with 7 schools in the lowest quartile...that occurs because their latest additions (Rutgers and Maryland) built their reputations in other conferences and only recently switched to the BIG.

Back in the 1960s and 1970s it was difficult to judge whether Penn State had good teams...or their competition was just really weak. That formula still works in the BIG.

(07-04-2020 04:02 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 03:58 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]Average W-L percentages by conference (based on the current alignment of teams):

SEC... .586
ACC... .567
B1G... .554
XII.... .552
PAC... .549

Not as much difference as I would have imagined before compiling this data. And, roughly half the schools of each conference (including Notre Dame with the ACC) rank in the top 2 quartiles (#1 - #32).

One statistic that jumped out at me was that no Big Ten schools are in the 3rd quartile, but fully half (7 schools) rank in the bottom quartile. No other P5 conference had more than 25% of its members ranked that low.

Regarding the BIG with 7 schools in the lowest quartile...that occurs because their latest additions (Rutgers and Maryland) built their reputations in other conferences and only recently switched to the BIG.

Back in the 1960s and 1970s it was difficult to judge whether Penn State had good teams...or their competition was just really weak. That formula still works in the BIG.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. For both schools, their win% before joining the B1G was substantially better than it has been since. But however they got there, the fact is that the current makeup of the league is very top heavy.

(07-04-2020 11:47 AM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 04:09 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734
6... Miami............... .731
7... Florida.............. .725
8... Georgia............. .725
9... Clemson............ .713
10. Michigan............ .711
11. Penn State......... .711
12. Southern Cal...... .682
13. Auburn.............. .680
14. LSU.................. .674
15. Texas................ .669
16. Notre Dame....... .664
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

Big 10 people like to talk about the deadweight in the Big 12.

Bottom 15
Big 10 7
SEC 2
ACC 2
Pac 12 2
Big 12 2

I find that folks on here that have teams in the BIG are among the most level-headed posters. Not sure where your statement of "people" comes from? Just thought your comment was interesting.

right on cue.. lol

For most of it's existence the Western/Big 9/ Big 10 has always had 4 schools that simply were not competitive in football. That has always been ignored.

Minnesota was competitive until 1962
Purdue was competitive between 1942 and 1972
Md was competitive between 50-56 and 73-86
NW was competitive between 59 and 63
Rutgers has never been competitive

Competitive means being ranked in the top 15 or better, etc.

Buried deep within these statistics are the externalities created by segregation. Duke for instance was competitive from the 1930's until 1962 when the forced the ACC to de-emphasize football. Duke did not even desegregate until 1963.

This topic would make a good dissertation and book for someone with a year or so to spend on the fine research.

(07-04-2020 05:55 PM)Thiefery Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 11:47 AM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 04:09 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734
6... Miami............... .731
7... Florida.............. .725
8... Georgia............. .725
9... Clemson............ .713
10. Michigan............ .711
11. Penn State......... .711
12. Southern Cal...... .682
13. Auburn.............. .680
14. LSU.................. .674
15. Texas................ .669
16. Notre Dame....... .664
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

Big 10 people like to talk about the deadweight in the Big 12.

Bottom 15
Big 10 7
SEC 2
ACC 2
Pac 12 2
Big 12 2

I find that folks on here that have teams in the BIG are among the most level-headed posters. Not sure where your statement of "people" comes from? Just thought your comment was interesting.

right on cue.. lol

What does that even mean?

(07-04-2020 11:08 AM)goofus Wrote: [ -> ]I am not sure if it is still true today, but a few years ago, the top 7 teams (OSU, Mich, PSU, Neb, Wisc, MSU, Iowa) in the Big Ten all had average football attendance over 70,000 and bottom 7 teams all had average attendance below 50,000. There was a clear line between the top 7 football schools and bottom 7.

More recently NW, Purdue, Minnesota, and Indiana have had some decent bowl seasons to help blur the lines. It will be interesting if an increase in attendance follows. Maybe before the pandemic. Now I am not so sure.

Actually the attendance disparity between the top of the B10 and the bottom is almost 97,000 to 38,000 or 2.5 to one. The top being OSU, PSU, scUM, Nebraksa, and Wisky and then Illinois, Rutgers, NW, Indiana, Minn, and MD.

The top schools in the B10 start the season with about 3.5 conference wins and at least 2.5 OOC wins. This allows the top 6-7 to work their way to a high ranking playing only 4-5 competitive games.

Put another way, the Globtrotters need the Generals to stage a game. The Big 10 is starkly this way. The SEC and the ACC are somewhat more competitive until recent times. In the SEC 4-5 programs rotate around the top and one sits at the bottom with about 7-8 in the middle. In the ACC 1-3 programs rotate around the top, but the remaining 11 rotate around the middle.

The following conferences would be be fully competitive in football:

Medium Boys

Minnesota, NW, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers, Syracuse, and BC
Pitt, MD, UVa, NCSU, UNC, Duke, WF, GT,

Average attendance in this conference - about 40K - ranging up to about 58-60K

Big Boys

Miami, FSU, Clemson, VT, PSU, Ohio State
Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska

Average attendance in the conference - about 90K - ranging up to 110K

(07-04-2020 07:06 PM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 05:55 PM)Thiefery Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 11:47 AM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 04:09 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734
6... Miami............... .731
7... Florida.............. .725
8... Georgia............. .725
9... Clemson............ .713
10. Michigan............ .711
11. Penn State......... .711
12. Southern Cal...... .682
13. Auburn.............. .680
14. LSU.................. .674
15. Texas................ .669
16. Notre Dame....... .664
17. Virginia Tech...... .663
18. Tennessee......... .661
19. Texas A&M........ .639
20. Oregon............. .636
21. West Virginia..... .629
22. Iowa................ .616
23. Washington....... .616
24. Wisconsin.......... .616
25. Utah................. .612
26. UCLA................ .589
27. Arizona State..... .577
28. Oklahoma State.. .571
29. TCU.................. .566
30. Michigan State... .561
31. Arkansas........... .559
32. Louisville........... .557
33. Boston College... .548
34. Kansas State..... .545
35. North Carolina... .543
36. Pitt.................. .538
37. Texas Tech........ .535
38. Arizona............. .533
39. Georgia Tech..... .533
40. South Carolina.. ..532
41. NC State........... .531
42. Syracuse........... .528
43. Stanford............ .528
44. Virginia............. .523
45. Ole Miss............ .512
46. Colorado........... .500
47. Missouri............ .497
48. Baylor............... .494
49. Mississippi State. .494
50. Washington St.... .479
51. Maryland........... .473
52. California........... .464
53. Minnesota.......... .452
54. Illinois............... .438
55. Purdue............... .434
56. Wake Forest....... .427
57. Kentucky........... .424
58. Rutgers............. .416
59. Northwestern..... .412
60. Indiana............. .395
61. Iowa State........ .390
62. Oregon State..... .375
63. Kansas.............. .370
64. Duke................ .348
65. Vanderbilt......... .333

Big 10 people like to talk about the deadweight in the Big 12.

Bottom 15
Big 10 7
SEC 2
ACC 2
Pac 12 2
Big 12 2

I find that folks on here that have teams in the BIG are among the most level-headed posters. Not sure where your statement of "people" comes from? Just thought your comment was interesting.

right on cue.. lol

What does that even mean?

whenever something about a rust belt school gets mentioned you come in on your cape..

(07-04-2020 09:23 PM)Thiefery Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 07:06 PM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 05:55 PM)Thiefery Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 11:47 AM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2020 04:09 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]Big 10 people like to talk about the deadweight in the Big 12.

Bottom 15
Big 10 7
SEC 2
ACC 2
Pac 12 2
Big 12 2

I find that folks on here that have teams in the BIG are among the most level-headed posters. Not sure where your statement of "people" comes from? Just thought your comment was interesting.

right on cue.. lol

What does that even mean?

whenever something about a rust belt school gets mentioned you come in on your cape..

So bullet makes a statement that I find interesting and respectfully question him on what he meant and you have to come protect him? Talk about a couple insecure dudes!

I think you need to go through my history before making any more asinine comments about me.

(07-04-2020 09:32 PM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 09:23 PM)Thiefery Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 07:06 PM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 05:55 PM)Thiefery Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-04-2020 11:47 AM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ]I find that folks on here that have teams in the BIG are among the most level-headed posters. Not sure where your statement of "people" comes from? Just thought your comment was interesting.

right on cue.. lol

What does that even mean?

whenever something about a rust belt school gets mentioned you come in on your cape..

So bullet makes a statement that I find interesting and respectfully question him on what he meant and you have to come protect him? Talk about a couple insecure dudes!

I think you need to go through my history before making any more asinine comments about me.

Everyone needs to be careful about grouping posters by conference affiliation. There are immense differences among the various conferences posters. Some Big 10 posters may say that the Big 12 has deadweight, not all. Among the Big 12 posters there is some disagreement over issues as well.

Terms like little 8, Rust Belt, etc are hackneyed expressions of disdain. So is the ubiquitous threepeat of SEC. But hey at least these three conferences get attacked. I can't think of what the PAC is called other than a mess.

So why don't we back it down a peg all the way around. And as far as little 8 goes I think that is circulated most commonly by an SEC poster that was once a part of the Big 12.

The viewer data is very revealing and I would refer everyone who wants to get into a pissing match to review that before dissing a lot of these schools which may not win much but do draw eyeballs.

I say that because if there is a culling of the herd it will be those with the least market penetration that fall by the wayside. Wins and losses are nice but there are the same number of winners as losers every week. But eyeballs pay the bills.

(07-03-2020 03:50 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]1980 was right around the time when Division I was being divided into FBS and FCS. In the 40 seasons starting in 1980, these are the football winning percentages for the 65 teams currently in a P5 conference.

1... Ohio State........ .784
2... Florida State..... .754
3... Alabama........... .750
4... Oklahoma......... .746
5... Nebraska.......... .734

Considering the 90s were a lost decade for OU, the 2010s were a lost decade for Nebraska, and Alabama had a few scattered dark years before the arrival of Saban, that's pretty incredible.