(07-07-2020 09:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 06:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

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(07-06-2020 03:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 02:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I read Coog's post, doesn't resonate with me. Corporate sponsorships can be found in any big city. Dallas is just far afield for most of the AAC

No. It. Is. Not.

Using google maps airplane icon, nonstop flights.

You're seriously saying Memphis and Tulane are near Dallas? Come on. And you can fly anywhere from anywhere.

Yeah but you have to change planes in either Dallas or Atlanta.

Quote:I once flew to Kampala, Uganda from our rinky-dink Baton Rouge Metro Airport - a much better airport than DFW btw, it takes about 5 minutes to pass through ticketing, baggage, and security, total.

Pretty sure the AAC bigwigs and school presidents and AD's have their TSA PreCheck Global status maxxed out.

Quote:Yeah, I had to change two planes but so what?

Every connection is a chance to lose your luggage, a chance to miss the flight and get stranded. And even if it goes smoothly, it's a pain in the ass. Fancy pants first-class business travelers don't like pain-in-the-ass solutions.

Quote:I can change a plane in Memphis in less time than it takes to get from my car to my gate at DFW.

That's because DFW is a big-boy airport hub, and Memphis is a second-tier city. You can change planes in Memphis easily because you're the only one trying to do it.

Quote:DFW is a nightmare, and the day the AAC does something because it's good for *Tulsa* and *Witchita*, I mean, good grief.

Dallas isn't the worst place but it's far from the best. Memphis, New Orleans, Cincy, and Charlotte make more sense. DC makes as much sense.

You keep listing those cities. Why? What makes those cities Good AAC HQ spots and Dallas "far from the best"? If you really hate DFW airport, you know that Southwest runs everything out of Love Field right?

This screams "The Staff Wanted Dallas" to me.

No, it screams "Quo had a bad experience at DFW airport, and can't see past it." I'm sure the staff would have been fine with Beale Street or the French Quarter or Disney and Universal Studios, etc etc.

Nope, have never had a particularly bad experience at DFW, actually a good one - I lost a laptop at my gate there a few years ago and the airline staff found it and sent it to me, no charge and were as sweet as can be. But it's just a nightmare of an airport to get around in. It can literally take longer to get from car to gate than to fly from Dallas to New Orleans in the air.

As for your other posts:

1) About Memphis airport - yes, I can change planes faster in Memphis than I can get from car to gate at DFW because Memphis is a smaller airport. But that's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Sheesh. But "Big Boy" airports have lavish lounges for conference staff to, well, lounge in, which is probably why they prefer Dallas.

2) About fancy-pants conference officials not wanting to change planes - THAT'S part of my point too, that Dallas was chosen for the convenience of conference bureaucrats.

Everything about the comfort of fatcat conference bureaucrats applies just as much to the fatcat university administrators who are their bosses.

More, in fact. The AAC Associate Assitant Deputy Vice Commissioner for Efficiency doesn't have to fly anywhere to the AAC Efficiency Council meetings--they're in the conference offices. It's the university presidents and ADs who are inconvenienced by connecting flights etc.

Quote:3) I mention Memphis, Cincy, and New Orleans because all are more centrally located in the conference footprint than is Dallas.

Only if you're road-tripping to the meeting, which university presidents and ADs aren't.

Quote:Granted, that's an iffy thing with a sprawl like the AAC, which basically forms a bathtub ring around the deep south without having any actual presence in the deep south, save for New Orleans.

To me, this matters symbolically.

Ahh, there's your problem right there. It doesn't matter. It makes no difference at all, zero, or they would have moved AAC Media Days out of Providence years ago.

There is no group of people in the world more pathologically fascinated by this stuff than this board, and we completely missed the announcement that AAC HQ was moving. That says it all right there. Judging by what google is dredging up, it's been credibly rumored since 2015, been reported by the Dallas Morning News in 2018, announced in 2019. And nobody here noticed.

Correction, the AAC board noticed when it was announced officially last year. https://csnbbs.com/thread-877189.html

Quote:The location of HQ sends a signal to the conference members and the athletic world at large about where the conference's mindset is, what part of the country it is prioritizing and sees as the present and future of the conference. To me, for the AAC that isn't and shouldn't be the far west. The AAC is a mostly east of Mississippi river conference, and its HQ shouldn't be any farther west than that.

It's HQ is where good business sense indicated it should be, measured by rent, nonstop air travel time, and business climate. Proximity to the CFP, to other FBS conferences and bowls was also apparently a factor.

(07-07-2020 09:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 06:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 03:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 02:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I read Coog's post, doesn't resonate with me. Corporate sponsorships can be found in any big city. Dallas is just far afield for most of the AAC

No. It. Is. Not.

Using google maps airplane icon, nonstop flights.

You're seriously saying Memphis and Tulane are near Dallas? Come on. And you can fly anywhere from anywhere.

Yeah but you have to change planes in either Dallas or Atlanta.

Quote:I once flew to Kampala, Uganda from our rinky-dink Baton Rouge Metro Airport - a much better airport than DFW btw, it takes about 5 minutes to pass through ticketing, baggage, and security, total.

Pretty sure the AAC bigwigs and school presidents and AD's have their TSA PreCheck Global status maxxed out.

Quote:Yeah, I had to change two planes but so what?

Every connection is a chance to lose your luggage, a chance to miss the flight and get stranded. And even if it goes smoothly, it's a pain in the ass. Fancy pants first-class business travelers don't like pain-in-the-ass solutions.

Quote:I can change a plane in Memphis in less time than it takes to get from my car to my gate at DFW.

That's because DFW is a big-boy airport hub, and Memphis is a second-tier city. You can change planes in Memphis easily because you're the only one trying to do it.

Quote:DFW is a nightmare, and the day the AAC does something because it's good for *Tulsa* and *Witchita*, I mean, good grief.

Dallas isn't the worst place but it's far from the best. Memphis, New Orleans, Cincy, and Charlotte make more sense. DC makes as much sense.

You keep listing those cities. Why? What makes those cities Good AAC HQ spots and Dallas "far from the best"? If you really hate DFW airport, you know that Southwest runs everything out of Love Field right?

This screams "The Staff Wanted Dallas" to me.

No, it screams "Quo had a bad experience at DFW airport, and can't see past it." I'm sure the staff would have been fine with Beale Street or the French Quarter or Disney and Universal Studios, etc etc.

Nope, have never had a particularly bad experience at DFW, actually a good one - I lost a laptop at my gate there a few years ago and the airline staff found it and sent it to me, no charge and were as sweet as can be. But it's just a nightmare of an airport to get around in. It can literally take longer to get from car to gate than to fly from Dallas to New Orleans in the air.

As for your other posts:

1) About Memphis airport - yes, I can change planes faster in Memphis than I can get from car to gate at DFW because Memphis is a smaller airport. But that's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Sheesh. But "Big Boy" airports have lavish lounges for conference staff to, well, lounge in, which is probably why they prefer Dallas.

2) About fancy-pants conference officials not wanting to change planes - THAT'S part of my point too, that Dallas was chosen for the convenience of conference bureaucrats.

3) I mention Memphis, Cincy, and New Orleans because all are more centrally located in the conference footprint than is Dallas. Granted, that's an iffy thing with a sprawl like the AAC, which basically forms a bathtub ring around the deep south without having any actual presence in the deep south, save for New Orleans.

To me, this matters symbolically. The location of HQ sends a signal to the conference members and the athletic world at large about where the conference's mindset is, what part of the country it is prioritizing and sees as the present and future of the conference. To me, for the AAC that isn't and shouldn't be the far west. The AAC is a mostly east of Mississippi river conference, and its HQ shouldn't be any farther west than that.

It doesnt "send a message" to the conference. Aresco and his secretary didnt make this decision on their own. The conference voted on this just like they vote on anything else. If the HQ is in Dallas, its because the majority of the conference thought that was the best home for the conference HQ. Furthermore---they have thought this for some time, because its been the plan for what---five years or more? As you mentioned, the league has a slight eastern tilt (two teams ON the Mississippi---4 west of it and 5 east of it). Thus, it must make a lot of sense to the presidents because a league with a slight eastern tilt STILL voted to put it in Dallas.

(07-07-2020 10:14 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 09:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 06:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 03:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  No. It. Is. Not.

Using google maps airplane icon, nonstop flights.

You're seriously saying Memphis and Tulane are near Dallas? Come on. And you can fly anywhere from anywhere.

Yeah but you have to change planes in either Dallas or Atlanta.

Quote:I once flew to Kampala, Uganda from our rinky-dink Baton Rouge Metro Airport - a much better airport than DFW btw, it takes about 5 minutes to pass through ticketing, baggage, and security, total.

Pretty sure the AAC bigwigs and school presidents and AD's have their TSA PreCheck Global status maxxed out.

Quote:Yeah, I had to change two planes but so what?

Every connection is a chance to lose your luggage, a chance to miss the flight and get stranded. And even if it goes smoothly, it's a pain in the ass. Fancy pants first-class business travelers don't like pain-in-the-ass solutions.

Quote:I can change a plane in Memphis in less time than it takes to get from my car to my gate at DFW.

That's because DFW is a big-boy airport hub, and Memphis is a second-tier city. You can change planes in Memphis easily because you're the only one trying to do it.

Quote:DFW is a nightmare, and the day the AAC does something because it's good for *Tulsa* and *Witchita*, I mean, good grief.

Dallas isn't the worst place but it's far from the best. Memphis, New Orleans, Cincy, and Charlotte make more sense. DC makes as much sense.

You keep listing those cities. Why? What makes those cities Good AAC HQ spots and Dallas "far from the best"? If you really hate DFW airport, you know that Southwest runs everything out of Love Field right?

This screams "The Staff Wanted Dallas" to me.

No, it screams "Quo had a bad experience at DFW airport, and can't see past it." I'm sure the staff would have been fine with Beale Street or the French Quarter or Disney and Universal Studios, etc etc.

Nope, have never had a particularly bad experience at DFW, actually a good one - I lost a laptop at my gate there a few years ago and the airline staff found it and sent it to me, no charge and were as sweet as can be. But it's just a nightmare of an airport to get around in. It can literally take longer to get from car to gate than to fly from Dallas to New Orleans in the air.

As for your other posts:

1) About Memphis airport - yes, I can change planes faster in Memphis than I can get from car to gate at DFW because Memphis is a smaller airport. But that's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Sheesh. But "Big Boy" airports have lavish lounges for conference staff to, well, lounge in, which is probably why they prefer Dallas.

2) About fancy-pants conference officials not wanting to change planes - THAT'S part of my point too, that Dallas was chosen for the convenience of conference bureaucrats.

Everything about the comfort of fatcat conference bureaucrats applies just as much to the fatcat university administrators who are their bosses.

More, in fact. The AAC Associate Assitant Deputy Vice Commissioner for Efficiency doesn't have to fly anywhere to the AAC Efficiency Council meetings--they're in the conference offices. It's the university presidents and ADs who are inconvenienced by connecting flights etc.

Quote:3) I mention Memphis, Cincy, and New Orleans because all are more centrally located in the conference footprint than is Dallas.

Only if you're road-tripping to the meeting, which university presidents and ADs aren't.

Quote:Granted, that's an iffy thing with a sprawl like the AAC, which basically forms a bathtub ring around the deep south without having any actual presence in the deep south, save for New Orleans.

To me, this matters symbolically.

Ahh, there's your problem right there. It doesn't matter. It makes no difference at all, zero, or they would have moved AAC Media Days out of Providence years ago.

There is no group of people in the world more pathologically fascinated by this stuff than this board, and we completely missed the announcement that AAC HQ was moving. That says it all right there. Judging by what google is dredging up, it's been credibly rumored since 2015, been reported by the Dallas Morning News in 2018, announced in 2019. And nobody here noticed.

Correction, the AAC board noticed when it was announced officially last year. https://csnbbs.com/thread-877189.html

Quote:The location of HQ sends a signal to the conference members and the athletic world at large about where the conference's mindset is, what part of the country it is prioritizing and sees as the present and future of the conference. To me, for the AAC that isn't and shouldn't be the far west. The AAC is a mostly east of Mississippi river conference, and its HQ shouldn't be any farther west than that.

It's HQ is where good business sense indicated it should be, measured by rent, nonstop air travel time, and business climate. Proximity to the CFP, to other FBS conferences and bowls was also apparently a factor.

Just an FYI, the AAC Board has known about this for years---I dont really remember a lot of opposition to it---but, granted, we all knew it was still just a plan that wouldnt be executed until the Providence lease expired--so it wasnt a hot topic. I know mentions of it go back at least 5 years ago or so (I found a thread that mentions it from 2015---linked below, see post #7 and #12).

https://csnbbs.com/thread-744112.html

This link is also found in that thread. Dallas was considered the most likley new site for the HQ in 2015. It mentions New York and Orlando were also considered.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/u...-post.html

I would think that it is way more important for fan interests where the men's and women's basketball tournaments, football and basketball media days, and CCG's (if a neutral site) are located than where the HQ's are.

It seems like the AAC tourney is one that should rotate. Fort Worth should be driveable for fans of SMU, Houston, Tulsa, probably Wichita State, maybe Memphis, and maaaaaybe Tulane. But Memphis, Cincinnati, and Philadelphia should certainly be on the rotation. I don't think Orlando worked out too well.

(07-07-2020 10:39 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I would think that it is way more important for fan interests where the men's and women's basketball tournaments, football and basketball media days, and CCG's (if a neutral site) are located than where the HQ's are.

It seems like the AAC tourney is one that should rotate. Fort Worth should be driveable for fans of SMU, Houston, Tulsa, probably Wichita State, maybe Memphis, and maaaaaybe Tulane. But Memphis, Cincinnati, and Philadelphia should certainly be on the rotation. I don't think Orlando worked out too well.

Id say a rotating location is probably the most likely way it works out, however, we havent even had a tournament in Dallas-Ft Worth yet (this years was cancelled). Given it is going to be located in the largest city ever to hold an AAC tournament and it will be within viable driving distance to more schools than any other prior AAC tournament, it will be interesting to see how it goes. If its a big hit---I could see it becoming a permanent location.

(07-07-2020 10:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:39 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I would think that it is way more important for fan interests where the men's and women's basketball tournaments, football and basketball media days, and CCG's (if a neutral site) are located than where the HQ's are.

It seems like the AAC tourney is one that should rotate. Fort Worth should be driveable for fans of SMU, Houston, Tulsa, probably Wichita State, maybe Memphis, and maaaaaybe Tulane. But Memphis, Cincinnati, and Philadelphia should certainly be on the rotation. I don't think Orlando worked out too well.

Id say a rotating location is probably the most likely way it works out, however, we havent even had a tournament in Dallas-Ft Worth yet (this years was cancelled). Given it is going to be located in the largest city ever to hold an AAC tournament and it will be within viable driving distance to more schools than any other prior AAC tournament, it will be interesting to see how it goes. If its a big hit---I could see it becoming a permanent location.

Agreed.

(07-07-2020 10:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:39 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I would think that it is way more important for fan interests where the men's and women's basketball tournaments, football and basketball media days, and CCG's (if a neutral site) are located than where the HQ's are.

It seems like the AAC tourney is one that should rotate. Fort Worth should be driveable for fans of SMU, Houston, Tulsa, probably Wichita State, maybe Memphis, and maaaaaybe Tulane. But Memphis, Cincinnati, and Philadelphia should certainly be on the rotation. I don't think Orlando worked out too well.

Id say a rotating location is probably the most likely way it works out, however, we havent even had a tournament in Dallas-Ft Worth yet (this years was cancelled). Given it is going to be located in the largest city ever to hold an AAC tournament and it will be within viable driving distance to more schools than any other prior AAC tournament, it will be interesting to see how it goes. If its a big hit---I could see it becoming a permanent location.

The Big 12 Tournament should be held in Dallas (or San Antonio or even your hometown Houston) once in a while to accommodate the Texas schools. The problem is the conference has for the most part been a one team conference so of course Kansas City has become the "permanent home" (not sure if it's officially the permanent home).

There's very few "permanent home" locations that work. The Big East in New York certainly is one of them although you don't think I wouldn't like to see it in Philly one year? The one I really hated was when the Colonial was always in Richmond. Good think that got changed.

Dallas isn't a bad choice at all, but I do think Memphis might have worked also.

Yes, DFW is a major airline hub, but... who says there aren't daily flights in and out of Memphis, too?

(07-07-2020 11:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Dallas isn't a bad choice at all, but I do think Memphis might have worked also.

Yes, DFW is a major airline hub, but... who says there aren't daily flights in and out of Memphis, too?

FedEx

We're talking the conference office, so the traffic is executives, not whole teams. So charter flights are not in the cards. and google maps doesn't show any nonstop flights from Memphis to New Orleans or Tulsa or Wichita. Gotta go through--Dallas.

(07-07-2020 09:05 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 06:21 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 03:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 03:06 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Obviously as far away from Temple/Philadelphia as you can get. It kind of sends a message the AAC doesn't give a crap about us and who they care about the most. Pretty much like when the Big 8/12 "moved" from Kansas City to Dallas. Of course keeping it in Providence made no sense either after UConn left either.

Well, that message is kinda accurate? You're on a northeastern island, I don't know what to tell you. Where do you THINK the conference office would be that would accommodate Temple? And how attractive is that place to the other 11 schools involved? (Navy counts)

Well I would say the best to accommodate Temple but also the rest of the conference would be somewhere in Florida, Orlando or Tampa. Memphis would also work geographically. I don't know how important the corporate headquarters of the AAC is to Temple, the locations of the other schools is way more important. Athletes aren't traveling to the corporate headquarters. If the men's basketball tournament wants to permanently be in the DFW area, that's going to really suck for Temple (and Cincinnati).

The AAC can rotate the MBB Tournament between Dallas and Memphis most years now that the headquarters has moved south and UConn is gone. It can also throw Temple a bone and schedule it in Philadelphia once in a while and help ECU and Cinn out too.

I would be fine with that.

I would like to have had the AAC headquarters in Nashville, but league officials — prior to finalizing Dallas as their choice — clearly were not interested in soliciting the thoughts of the eccentric and neurotic hobbyist juggler and lover of aerial videos of skylines Willie Dazzlebury.

(07-07-2020 10:39 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I would think that it is way more important for fan interests where the men's and women's basketball tournaments, football and basketball media days, and CCG's (if a neutral site) are located than where the HQ's are.

It seems like the AAC tourney is one that should rotate. Fort Worth should be driveable for fans of SMU, Houston, Tulsa, probably Wichita State, maybe Memphis, and maaaaaybe Tulane. But Memphis, Cincinnati, and Philadelphia should certainly be on the rotation. I don't think Orlando worked out too well.

The league would never do anything to assist Cincinnati. We've been on the shyte-list from day one. Find an Aresco interview or watch an AAC promo clip and you might find an obscure reference to the Bearcats.

I do agree with Quo that the mindset of the AAC is on the southern and western wing of the conference and Florida-- the Texas schools, Wichita, Memphis, Tulane UCF and USF. These markets is where all the news seems to break and were Aresco shows up for radio shows and voluntarily interviews with media members.

(07-07-2020 10:29 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:14 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 09:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 06:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  You're seriously saying Memphis and Tulane are near Dallas? Come on. And you can fly anywhere from anywhere.

Yeah but you have to change planes in either Dallas or Atlanta.

Quote:I once flew to Kampala, Uganda from our rinky-dink Baton Rouge Metro Airport - a much better airport than DFW btw, it takes about 5 minutes to pass through ticketing, baggage, and security, total.

Pretty sure the AAC bigwigs and school presidents and AD's have their TSA PreCheck Global status maxxed out.

Quote:Yeah, I had to change two planes but so what?

Every connection is a chance to lose your luggage, a chance to miss the flight and get stranded. And even if it goes smoothly, it's a pain in the ass. Fancy pants first-class business travelers don't like pain-in-the-ass solutions.

Quote:I can change a plane in Memphis in less time than it takes to get from my car to my gate at DFW.

That's because DFW is a big-boy airport hub, and Memphis is a second-tier city. You can change planes in Memphis easily because you're the only one trying to do it.

Quote:DFW is a nightmare, and the day the AAC does something because it's good for *Tulsa* and *Witchita*, I mean, good grief.

Dallas isn't the worst place but it's far from the best. Memphis, New Orleans, Cincy, and Charlotte make more sense. DC makes as much sense.

You keep listing those cities. Why? What makes those cities Good AAC HQ spots and Dallas "far from the best"? If you really hate DFW airport, you know that Southwest runs everything out of Love Field right?

This screams "The Staff Wanted Dallas" to me.

No, it screams "Quo had a bad experience at DFW airport, and can't see past it." I'm sure the staff would have been fine with Beale Street or the French Quarter or Disney and Universal Studios, etc etc.

Nope, have never had a particularly bad experience at DFW, actually a good one - I lost a laptop at my gate there a few years ago and the airline staff found it and sent it to me, no charge and were as sweet as can be. But it's just a nightmare of an airport to get around in. It can literally take longer to get from car to gate than to fly from Dallas to New Orleans in the air.

As for your other posts:

1) About Memphis airport - yes, I can change planes faster in Memphis than I can get from car to gate at DFW because Memphis is a smaller airport. But that's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Sheesh. But "Big Boy" airports have lavish lounges for conference staff to, well, lounge in, which is probably why they prefer Dallas.

2) About fancy-pants conference officials not wanting to change planes - THAT'S part of my point too, that Dallas was chosen for the convenience of conference bureaucrats.

Everything about the comfort of fatcat conference bureaucrats applies just as much to the fatcat university administrators who are their bosses.

More, in fact. The AAC Associate Assitant Deputy Vice Commissioner for Efficiency doesn't have to fly anywhere to the AAC Efficiency Council meetings--they're in the conference offices. It's the university presidents and ADs who are inconvenienced by connecting flights etc.

Quote:3) I mention Memphis, Cincy, and New Orleans because all are more centrally located in the conference footprint than is Dallas.

Only if you're road-tripping to the meeting, which university presidents and ADs aren't.

Quote:Granted, that's an iffy thing with a sprawl like the AAC, which basically forms a bathtub ring around the deep south without having any actual presence in the deep south, save for New Orleans.

To me, this matters symbolically.

Ahh, there's your problem right there. It doesn't matter. It makes no difference at all, zero, or they would have moved AAC Media Days out of Providence years ago.

There is no group of people in the world more pathologically fascinated by this stuff than this board, and we completely missed the announcement that AAC HQ was moving. That says it all right there. Judging by what google is dredging up, it's been credibly rumored since 2015, been reported by the Dallas Morning News in 2018, announced in 2019. And nobody here noticed.

Correction, the AAC board noticed when it was announced officially last year. https://csnbbs.com/thread-877189.html

Quote:The location of HQ sends a signal to the conference members and the athletic world at large about where the conference's mindset is, what part of the country it is prioritizing and sees as the present and future of the conference. To me, for the AAC that isn't and shouldn't be the far west. The AAC is a mostly east of Mississippi river conference, and its HQ shouldn't be any farther west than that.

It's HQ is where good business sense indicated it should be, measured by rent, nonstop air travel time, and business climate. Proximity to the CFP, to other FBS conferences and bowls was also apparently a factor.

Just an FYI, the AAC Board has known about this for years---I dont really remember a lot of opposition to it---but, granted, we all knew it was still just a plan that wouldnt be executed until the Providence lease expired--so it wasnt a hot topic. I know mentions of it go back at least 5 years ago or so (I found a thread that mentions it from 2015---linked below, see post #7 and #12).

https://csnbbs.com/thread-744112.html

This link is also found in that thread. Dallas was considered the most likley new site for the HQ in 2015. It mentions New York and Orlando were also considered.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/u...-post.html

Yeah they talked about it for a while. Providence stopped making sense a long time ago. As an ECU fan, I'm on board and think the move makes a lot of sense. From a business standpoint, you have DFW, Atlanta, Charlotte, DC, and Philly as the cities in our footprint major airports. No teams in Atlanta/Charlotte, DC and Philly are kind of at the extremes. That leaves DFW. We have a team in town, two teams in Texas, Tulsa and Tulane in adjacent states, and it's in the same building as the CFP, so Aresco can be annoying on the elevator everyday. "Did you see the Temple game? Maryland must really stink right?"

Location was a no-brainer.

(07-07-2020 10:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  It doesnt "send a message" to the conference. Aresco and his secretary didnt make this decision on their own. The conference voted on this just like they vote on anything else. If the HQ is in Dallas, its because the majority of the conference thought that was the best home for the conference HQ.

This. If the AAC Presidents learn it's going to be, say, $200,000 cheaper in rent and taxes to have the HQ in Irving than in New Orleans or Nashville, and for an absolute majority of them there's a direct flight available to DFW or more direct flights available to DFW, it's a non-controversial 10-2 vote taken five years ago and never worth bringing back to the table.

(07-05-2020 04:49 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I'm surprised this hasn't been shared yet, but it's official: The American Athletic Conference is now headquartered in Texas, no longer in Providence.

http://theamerican.org/news/2020/6/29/ge...texas.aspx

Company I used to work for had an office in the same complex

Dallas makes sense as SMU/Tulsa/Houston are reasonably close (within 4 hours) and you're in the same building as the CFP HQ.

(07-07-2020 11:58 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:39 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I would think that it is way more important for fan interests where the men's and women's basketball tournaments, football and basketball media days, and CCG's (if a neutral site) are located than where the HQ's are.

It seems like the AAC tourney is one that should rotate. Fort Worth should be driveable for fans of SMU, Houston, Tulsa, probably Wichita State, maybe Memphis, and maaaaaybe Tulane. But Memphis, Cincinnati, and Philadelphia should certainly be on the rotation. I don't think Orlando worked out too well.

The league would never do anything to assist Cincinnati. We've been on the shyte-list from day one. Find an Aresco interview or watch an AAC promo clip and you might find an obscure reference to the Bearcats.

I do agree with Quo that the mindset of the AAC is on the southern and western wing of the conference and Florida-- the Texas schools, Wichita, Memphis, Tulane UCF and USF. These markets is where all the news seems to break and were Aresco shows up for radio shows and voluntarily interviews with media members.

Yup.

This is very similar to what CUSA did when it evolved from CUSA 1.0 to CUSA 2.0 by moving league offices to Texas.

Could this mean the 12th FB member for the AAC will be UTEP?

History repeats itself.

(07-07-2020 10:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 09:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  To me, this matters symbolically. The location of HQ sends a signal to the conference members and the athletic world at large about where the conference's mindset is, what part of the country it is prioritizing and sees as the present and future of the conference. To me, for the AAC that isn't and shouldn't be the far west. The AAC is a mostly east of Mississippi river conference, and its HQ shouldn't be any farther west than that.

It doesnt "send a message" to the conference. Aresco and his secretary didnt make this decision on their own. The conference voted on this just like they vote on anything else. If the HQ is in Dallas, its because the majority of the conference thought that was the best home for the conference HQ. Furthermore---they have thought this for some time, because its been the plan for what---five years or more? As you mentioned, the league has a slight eastern tilt (two teams ON the Mississippi---4 west of it and 5 east of it). Thus, it must make a lot of sense to the presidents because a league with a slight eastern tilt STILL voted to put it in Dallas.

Eh, do we know if the conference presidents voted on it or whether a move like this was within the purview of Aresco's executive authority? He doesn't have to get a vote for every decision he makes. But even if he did and the conference voted for it, IMO those not in the west who voted for it were foolish to do so, as to me they have endorsed something that symbolically says the AAC is a western-oriented conference.

And I also mentioned the signal it sends to the rest of the athletic community, and to me it sends the same western-oriented signal to them.

I sure hope USF's president didn't vote for Dallas - if there was a vote. If they did, IMO they were short-sighted.

(07-07-2020 09:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  This is very similar to what CUSA did when it evolved from CUSA 1.0 to CUSA 2.0 by moving league offices to Texas.

Could this mean the 12th FB member for the AAC will be UTEP?

History repeats itself.

The full quote is history repeats itself twice, first as tragedy and then as farce.

UTEP to the AAC would likely entail one or the other.