I think the number of black people that like Trump is way higher than the number that will vote Trump. There's one reason for that....

Till 2016 the Republican party did nothing to help show they cared for black people. If any other republican was in the white house. Prison reform would not have happened. Most likely the talk would be lets add years to the sentence. The funding for Black Colleges would never been in the budget.

The one thing Trump did and he did it with the Republican party fighting him. Move the party closer to the center than its been in my adult lifetime...40 years (i'm 60). The same goes for poor white...working class. Up till Trump, the Republicans fought or at least gave the impression, they were fighting just for the upper middle, up and not those working stiffs that are one or two checks away from the poor house.

Most of you republicans on here wont admit to that or that was the impression. But it was the reality to those working class people that got Trump elected. So no matter what the democrats do or say black people still trust them more than Republicans. They trust and like Trump a lot more than they do the republican party.

Trump has gave the republicans a gift but I doubt if the next republican to live in the white house will follow through to build on it. If Trump wins in 2020 he will force the party to move even closer to that center and make the working class, including the black voters, feel more included.

Its going to be up to those old republicans to change because if they dont the party is on death watch over the next 10 to 15 years. The left will control and destroy the country. But Trump gave the Republicans a chance to change that outcome...

the reason, Trump is about as Indy as any President in my lifetime that is not afraid to tackle issues on both sides. Will the Republican party realize that is their future? They better. If they do they will start getting more and more of the black vote.

I have no doubt if we were voting for King...Trump would get close to that 40% of the black vote. It's the Republican party they dont trust

(06-06-2020 12:43 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I think the number of black people that like Trump is way higher than the number that will vote Trump. There's one reason for that....

Till 2016 the Republican party did nothing to help show they cared for black people. If any other republican was in the white house. Prison reform would not have happened. Most likely the talk would be lets add years to the sentence. The funding for Black Colleges would never been in the budget.

The one thing Trump did and he did it with the Republican party fighting him. Move the party closer to the center than its been in my adult lifetime...40 years (i'm 60). The same goes for poor white...working class. Up till Trump, the Republicans fought or at least gave the impression, they were fighting just for the upper middle, up and not those working stiffs that are one or two checks away from the poor house.

Most of you republicans on here wont admit to that or that was the impression. But it was the reality to those working class people that got Trump elected. So no matter what the democrats do or say black people still trust them more than Republicans. They trust and like Trump a lot more than they do the republican party.

Trump has gave the republicans a gift but I doubt if the next republican to live in the white house will follow through to build on it. If Trump wins in 2020 he will force the party to move even closer to that center and make the working class, including the black voters, feel more included.

Its going to be up to those old republicans to change because if they dont the party is on death watch over the next 10 to 15 years. The left will control and destroy the country. But Trump gave the Republicans a chance to change that outcome...

the reason, Trump is about as Indy as any President in my lifetime that is not afraid to tackle issues on both sides. Will the Republican party realize that is their future? They better. If they do they will start getting more and more of the black vote.

I have no doubt if we were voting for King...Trump would get close to that 40% of the black vote. It's the Republican party they dont trust

No, most would say the GOP was so pro business that they gutted whole swaths of domestic production. They were also strong on defense, which is why it took some time to get to this point.

(06-06-2020 12:43 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I think the number of black people that like Trump is way higher than the number that will vote Trump. There's one reason for that....
Till 2016 the Republican party did nothing to help show they cared for black people. If any other republican was in the white house. Prison reform would not have happened. Most likely the talk would be lets add years to the sentence. The funding for Black Colleges would never been in the budget.
The one thing Trump did and he did it with the Republican party fighting him. Move the party closer to the center than its been in my adult lifetime...40 years (i'm 60). The same goes for poor white...working class. Up till Trump, the Republicans fought or at least gave the impression, they were fighting just for the upper middle, up and not those working stiffs that are one or two checks away from the poor house.
Most of you republicans on here wont admit to that or that was the impression. But it was the reality to those working class people that got Trump elected. So no matter what the democrats do or say black people still trust them more than Republicans. They trust and like Trump a lot more than they do the republican party.
Trump has gave the republicans a gift but I doubt if the next republican to live in the white house will follow through to build on it. If Trump wins in 2020 he will force the party to move even closer to that center and make the working class, including the black voters, feel more included.
Its going to be up to those old republicans to change because if they dont the party is on death watch over the next 10 to 15 years. The left will control and destroy the country. But Trump gave the Republicans a chance to change that outcome...
the reason, Trump is about as Indy as any President in my lifetime that is not afraid to tackle issues on both sides. Will the Republican party realize that is their future? They better. If they do they will start getting more and more of the black vote.
I have no doubt if we were voting for King...Trump would get close to that 40% of the black vote. It's the Republican party they dont trust

It is time for the Republican Party to become the party of Lincoln again. The democrats have foisted this welfare plantation on the poor and minorities under the assertion that it helps them, when in fact it serves more to block them. And republicans frustrate the hell out of me because they can't--or don't--come up with anything better.

If republicans got 30+% of the black vote, they would be unbeatable in national (and most state) elections. And when all they have to compete with is the democrat welfare plantation, it is incredibly stupid that they can't come up with something better.

If anything, both evangelical blacks and Roman Catholic browns are probably more favorably inclined toward the religious right elements of the Republican Party (which I really am not enthusiastic about) but not impressed by republican efforts to deal with other problems.

Blacks and browns have been voting solidly democrat for decades. Where has it gotten them? One-parent families and living from handout to handout. Maybe they should try something else. But republicans have to offer something else.

(06-05-2020 10:36 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 10:27 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Did anyone see Leo Terrell on Hannity tonight? A real WTF moment. Eye opening....

No, did not. Who's Leo Terrel? What TF moment was so eye opening?

Leo, bless his heart, is a staunch Democrat only talk show host who never would have said anything against the democrat party. He makes Jaun Williams look conservative. His take on this shook Hannity and conservative black talk show host Larry Elder so much they started calling him Leo 2.0
Couldn’t find the conversation from last night but this is the one that led up to it. He even praised Trump last night. I can’t tell you how shocking that was. I’m telling ya, the walls are cracking, and the reason is this lawlessness.

(06-06-2020 07:34 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 10:36 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 10:27 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Did anyone see Leo Terrell on Hannity tonight? A real WTF moment. Eye opening....

No, did not. Who's Leo Terrel? What TF moment was so eye opening?

Leo, bless his heart, is a staunch Democrat only talk show host who never would have said anything against the democrat party. He makes Jaun Williams look conservative. His take on this shook Hannity and conservative black talk show host Larry Elder so much they started calling him Leo 2.0
Couldn’t find the conversation from last night but this is the one that led up to it. He even praised Trump last night. I can’t tell you how shocking that was. I’m telling ya, the walls are cracking, and the reason is this lawlessness.

I watched it last night. He was fired up and really in the Trump camp.


He'll probably still vote Democrat.

(06-06-2020 07:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 07:34 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 10:36 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 10:27 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Did anyone see Leo Terrell on Hannity tonight? A real WTF moment. Eye opening....

No, did not. Who's Leo Terrel? What TF moment was so eye opening?

Leo, bless his heart, is a staunch Democrat only talk show host who never would have said anything against the democrat party. He makes Jaun Williams look conservative. His take on this shook Hannity and conservative black talk show host Larry Elder so much they started calling him Leo 2.0
Couldn’t find the conversation from last night but this is the one that led up to it. He even praised Trump last night. I can’t tell you how shocking that was. I’m telling ya, the walls are cracking, and the reason is this lawlessness.

I watched it last night. He was fired up and really in the Trump camp.


He'll probably still vote Democrat.

No doubt he will. However he is and has been nailed to that cross. My point is that if HE is shaky there are many out there that are real possibilities to see the light and vote for Trump.

(06-05-2020 11:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  They won't for couple reasons:
1.) They may think the Dems aren't helping them, but they think the GOP is actively trying to suppress them
2.) They think the Dems are trying to help them, but the GOP enemy is working against them i.e. "giving tax breaks only to the rich" that doesn't help their poorer communities

Oh for Pete's sake. I'm retired middle class and I got a tax break. Anyone with a brain and just a smidgen of honesty knows the "only to the rich" part of the tax break is a total lie and fabrication of the left.

(06-06-2020 08:22 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 11:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  They won't for couple reasons:
1.) They may think the Dems aren't helping them, but they think the GOP is actively trying to suppress them
2.) They think the Dems are trying to help them, but the GOP enemy is working against them i.e. "giving tax breaks only to the rich" that doesn't help their poorer communities

Oh for Pete's sake. I'm retired middle class and I got a tax break. Anyone with a brain and just a smidgen of honesty knows the "only to the rich" part of the tax break is a total lie and fabrication of the left.

This. The tax break was for people that actually WORK AND PAY TAXES. It's that simple. Married people only pay taxes on the money they make over $24,400. Nuff said.

(06-06-2020 09:44 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 08:22 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 11:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  They won't for couple reasons:
1.) They may think the Dems aren't helping them, but they think the GOP is actively trying to suppress them
2.) They think the Dems are trying to help them, but the GOP enemy is working against them i.e. "giving tax breaks only to the rich" that doesn't help their poorer communities

Oh for Pete's sake. I'm retired middle class and I got a tax break. Anyone with a brain and just a smidgen of honesty knows the "only to the rich" part of the tax break is a total lie and fabrication of the left.

This. The tax break was for people that actually WORK AND PAY TAXES. It's that simple. Married people only pay taxes on the money they make over $24,400. Nuff said.

Yup. I have way more money in my pocket under Trump and I'm certainly not rich.

My insurance still sucks. Thanks to all the Republicans that we elected in 2016 for lying about that.

(06-06-2020 07:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 12:43 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I think the number of black people that like Trump is way higher than the number that will vote Trump. There's one reason for that....
Till 2016 the Republican party did nothing to help show they cared for black people. If any other republican was in the white house. Prison reform would not have happened. Most likely the talk would be lets add years to the sentence. The funding for Black Colleges would never been in the budget.
The one thing Trump did and he did it with the Republican party fighting him. Move the party closer to the center than its been in my adult lifetime...40 years (i'm 60). The same goes for poor white...working class. Up till Trump, the Republicans fought or at least gave the impression, they were fighting just for the upper middle, up and not those working stiffs that are one or two checks away from the poor house.
Most of you republicans on here wont admit to that or that was the impression. But it was the reality to those working class people that got Trump elected. So no matter what the democrats do or say black people still trust them more than Republicans. They trust and like Trump a lot more than they do the republican party.
Trump has gave the republicans a gift but I doubt if the next republican to live in the white house will follow through to build on it. If Trump wins in 2020 he will force the party to move even closer to that center and make the working class, including the black voters, feel more included.
Its going to be up to those old republicans to change because if they dont the party is on death watch over the next 10 to 15 years. The left will control and destroy the country. But Trump gave the Republicans a chance to change that outcome...
the reason, Trump is about as Indy as any President in my lifetime that is not afraid to tackle issues on both sides. Will the Republican party realize that is their future? They better. If they do they will start getting more and more of the black vote.
I have no doubt if we were voting for King...Trump would get close to that 40% of the black vote. It's the Republican party they dont trust

It is time for the Republican Party to become the party of Lincoln again. The democrats have foisted this welfare plantation on the poor and minorities under the assertion that it helps them, when in fact it serves more to block them. And republicans frustrate the hell out of me because they can't--or don't--come up with anything better.

If republicans got 30+% of the black vote, they would be unbeatable in national (and most state) elections. And when all they have to compete with is the democrat welfare plantation, it is incredibly stupid that they can't come up with something better.

If anything, both evangelical blacks and Roman Catholic browns are probably more favorably inclined toward the religious right elements of the Republican Party (which I really am not enthusiastic about) but not impressed by republican efforts to deal with other problems.

Blacks and browns have been voting solidly democrat for decades. Where has it gotten them? One-parent families and living from handout to handout. Maybe they should try something else. But republicans have to offer something else.

The GOP has pretty actively been trying NOT to be the party of Lincoln for over 5 decades now. They aren’t going back to that, they much rather have black people not vote at all than to put forth effort to get us. I sometimes wonder if the party fears possible “white flight” from the party if the percentage of black people increases.

That’s just the game though.

(06-06-2020 12:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The GOP has pretty actively been trying NOT to be the party of Lincoln for over 5 decades now. They aren’t going back to that, they much rather have black people not vote at all than to put forth effort to get us. I sometimes wonder if the party fears possible “white flight” from the party if the percentage of black people increases.
That’s just the game though.

I think republicans could make a strong play for black votes without any "white flight." They could offer far better alternatives to Obamacare and the welfare plantation without losing any white voters. They could pay for it with a more pro-business and pro-investment tax structure that would spur economic growth that benefits everyone. Instead of trying to make rich people poorer, try to make poor people richer.

All they need to figure out is that if they hold their white votes and increase their share of black and brown votes to 30%, they'd be slam dunk winners in national elections and most state elections. But they can't seem to grasp that.

Hence the stupid party label. Why do they keep hiring the same lousy political consultants?

(06-06-2020 12:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The GOP has pretty actively been trying NOT to be the party of Lincoln for over 5 decades now. They aren’t going back to that, they much rather have black people not vote at all than to put forth effort to get us. I sometimes wonder if the party fears possible “white flight” from the party if the percentage of black people increases.

That’s just the game though.

No, the GOP has made the most reas ones appeal to blacks to by asking what has the DNC done with blacks loyalty. It is blacks for to identify themselves as something more than just skin color.

(06-06-2020 02:02 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 12:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The GOP has pretty actively been trying NOT to be the party of Lincoln for over 5 decades now. They aren’t going back to that, they much rather have black people not vote at all than to put forth effort to get us. I sometimes wonder if the party fears possible “white flight” from the party if the percentage of black people increases.

That’s just the game though.

No, the GOP has made the most reas ones appeal to blacks to by asking what has the DNC done with blacks loyalty. It is blacks for to identify themselves as something more than just skin color.

You can repeat that till the end of time and it will not change one thing. We are not just talking black people but also the working class white people....

make no mistake about it, it was the working class that pushed Trump into the white house. The anyone but Hillary was not enough to do that but Trump was saying (I believe he also meant) the changes the white working class wanted to hear. Getting those votes gave Trump and the republicans the White House.

Up till 2016 no republican could do that or at least they never tried. Lip service but that's all.

The same can be done for a 20 to 30% share of the black vote. I believe you are the one that is short changing that % of the black vote by lumping them in with "race is everything". It's possible to relate to those working and middle class black voters the same as Trump has done with the working class white voters....

jobs, raising income levels, $2,000 child tax credit

You dont do that in 3.5 years. It takes 2 or 3 elections to earn that trust because no matter what the democrats say or do or dont do. The republican party has never stepped up to the plate for working class black and white voters. Till Donald Trump.

Lumping all black voters into identity politics is one reason the republican party will turn this country over to the hands of far left democrats. Its not good enough to point out the democrats have lied to black voters for decades.....

Like everyone else trying to support their family. Show me the cash you will win me over. That can be in jobs or it can be in welfare but for working class Americans, black and white, it will take more than one election.

If we go back to the early months of Trump, the republicans were fighting him almost as bad as the democrats. Till they saw his poll numbers amount republican voters. The change needs to be from the old school republicans and it needs to be...now. We are seeing a changing America and if we dont want to see it changed so far left that it will probably destroy the country over the next 20 years.

Republicans have to change with it. That hasnt happened over the last 15 or so years...till Trump. Most of black America are too busy working to be out on the streets. While race is probably very important to them....feeding their family comes in at #1

(06-06-2020 02:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 02:02 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 12:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The GOP has pretty actively been trying NOT to be the party of Lincoln for over 5 decades now. They aren’t going back to that, they much rather have black people not vote at all than to put forth effort to get us. I sometimes wonder if the party fears possible “white flight” from the party if the percentage of black people increases.

That’s just the game though.

No, the GOP has made the most reas ones appeal to blacks to by asking what has the DNC done with blacks loyalty. It is blacks for to identify themselves as something more than just skin color.

You can repeat that till the end of time and it will not change one thing. We are not just talking black people but also the working class white people....

make no mistake about it, it was the working class that pushed Trump into the white house. The anyone but Hillary was not enough to do that but Trump was saying (I believe he also meant) the changes the white working class wanted to hear. Getting those votes gave Trump and the republicans the White House.

Up till 2016 no republican could do that or at least they never tried. Lip service but that's all.

The same can be done for a 20 to 30% share of the black vote. I believe you are the one that is short changing that % of the black vote by lumping them in with "race is everything". It's possible to relate to those working and middle class black voters the same as Trump has done with the working class white voters....

jobs, raising income levels, $2,000 child tax credit

You dont do that in 3.5 years. It takes 2 or 3 elections to earn that trust because no matter what the democrats say or do or dont do. The republican party has never stepped up to the plate for working class black and white voters. Till Donald Trump.

Lumping all black voters into identity politics is one reason the republican party will turn this country over to the hands of far left democrats. Its not good enough to point out the democrats have lied to black voters for decades.....

Like everyone else trying to support their family. Show me the cash you will win me over. That can be in jobs or it can be in welfare but for working class Americans, black and white, it will take more than one election.

If we go back to the early months of Trump, the republicans were fighting him almost as bad as the democrats. Till they saw his poll numbers amount republican voters. The change needs to be from the old school republicans and it needs to be...now. We are seeing a changing America and if we dont want to see it changed so far left that it will probably destroy the country over the next 20 years.

Republicans have to change with it. That hasnt happened over the last 15 or so years...till Trump. Most of black America are too busy working to be out on the streets. While race is probably very important to them....feeding their family comes in at #1

Well in the 60's Trump would have been considered more of a Democrat than a Republican. That'll tell you how far left the political spectrum has shifted, thanks in large part to public education. The objection the Corporate First Republicans and Democrats have against Trump is that he actually showing people how well things work when the grass roots is taken care of, which was by the way, the old Democratic Platform from the 50's and 60's. FDR was a hybrid between those Democrats and the Left of today.

(06-06-2020 03:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well in the 60's Trump would have been considered more of a Democrat than a Republican. That'll tell you how far left the political spectrum has shifted, thanks in large part to public education. The objection the Corporate First Republicans and Democrats have against Trump is that he actually showing people how well things work when the grass roots is taken care of, which was by the way, the old Democratic Platform from the 50's and 60's. FDR was a hybrid between those Democrats and the Left of today.

He was a democrat back then.

(06-06-2020 03:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 03:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well in the 60's Trump would have been considered more of a Democrat than a Republican. That'll tell you how far left the political spectrum has shifted, thanks in large part to public education. The objection the Corporate First Republicans and Democrats have against Trump is that he actually showing people how well things work when the grass roots is taken care of, which was by the way, the old Democratic Platform from the 50's and 60's. FDR was a hybrid between those Democrats and the Left of today.

He was a democrat back then.

I know. How many alive do? I wanted to focus on the approach rather than the man. Too many today would freak to know he was once a Democrat. But that's only because they don't understand what the party approaches used to be.

Now we have Corporate bought Republicans who are status quo business as usual congressmen and women. We have Trump as a Republican who is essentially an Old Democrat, and we have the New Democratic Party which is broken down into the Communist Party and the Corporate bought Democrats who are status quo business as usual congressmen and women and no different from their Republican counterparts.

Odd isn't it?

True 1950's and 60's Republicans were fiscal conservatives like Goldwater, Eisenhower, and Buckley. That faction of the Republican party succumbed to the Federal Reserve and Johnson's Great Society giveaways. Nixon was a hybrid old line Republican and one who was also influenced by the Fed Backers. It's been downhill for fiscal conservatism ever since.

(06-06-2020 02:02 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 12:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The GOP has pretty actively been trying NOT to be the party of Lincoln for over 5 decades now. They aren’t going back to that, they much rather have black people not vote at all than to put forth effort to get us. I sometimes wonder if the party fears possible “white flight” from the party if the percentage of black people increases.

That’s just the game though.

No, the GOP has made the most reas ones appeal to blacks to by asking what has the DNC done with blacks loyalty. It is blacks for to identify themselves as something more than just skin color.

I’d love for black people to stop being automatic Democratic voters, but Republicans aren’t the answer either. The only reason they give is “what do you have to lose”. You’re not even gonna get anyone to try a new tv show with that.

I also wonder whether the “what have you got to lose” sh*t is done to get a negative reaction out of black people and a positive reaction out of white republicans.

(06-06-2020 04:00 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I’d love for black people to stop being automatic Democratic voters, but Republicans aren’t the answer either. The only reason they give is “what do you have to lose”. You’re not even gonna get anyone to try a new tv show with that.

What republicans could--and should--offer blacks, browns, other POC, and in fact all poor people is a way out of poverty instead of a way to be more comfortable in it. Some people won't go for that--they are frankly too well compensated for doing nothing as it is. But I have to believe that a large majority of the poor would rather not be poor. And there are much better ways than the welfare plantation to get them out of poverty.

(06-06-2020 01:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 12:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The GOP has pretty actively been trying NOT to be the party of Lincoln for over 5 decades now. They aren’t going back to that, they much rather have black people not vote at all than to put forth effort to get us. I sometimes wonder if the party fears possible “white flight” from the party if the percentage of black people increases.
That’s just the game though.

I think republicans could make a strong play for black votes without any "white flight." They could offer far better alternatives to Obamacare and the welfare plantation without losing any white voters. They could pay for it with a more pro-business and pro-investment tax structure that would spur economic growth that benefits everyone. Instead of trying to make rich people poorer, try to make poor people richer.

All they need to figure out is that if they hold their white votes and increase their share of black and brown votes to 30%, they'd be slam dunk winners in national elections and most state elections. But they can't seem to grasp that.

You have a lot of “they could” and no “they would”. You could actually substitute “could” with “aren’t going to” and have been correct.

They know that, in some hypotheses, getting more black and brown votes would be fantastic for them. Somewhere in their big-picture reasoning there must be a practical reason to why they won’t try to go that route. They must have some research or at least a hunch that it wouldn’t play out well for them.