(05-22-2020 09:05 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 08:52 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Who is now the southern-most hockey program?

Excluding Arizona St — Air Force.

East of the Mississippi, it would be Miami (OH). East of the Appalachian Divide, actually Princeton. If Navy adds, they’d beat out Air Force. The answer is still Arizona State.

(05-22-2020 06:33 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:13 PM)AZcats Wrote:  Maybe not. The women's teams at Franklin Pierce, Saint Anselm College, and Saint Michael's College were members of the D3 New England Hockey Conference (formerly ECAC East) but were ineligible for the conference or D3 postseason because they were scholarship teams. Wild guess; if those teams were non-scholarship, they might be eligible for all D3 postseason since D2 does not have any ice hockey championships.

As far as I know, playing down a division isn't allowed under any circumstances.

I can't say if it's allowed or not but it did happen for nearly 20 years (1999-2017). The three NE10 schools along with D1 Holy Cross were members of the D3 ECAC East/NEHC and included in the conference standings. We know playing down a division was allowed when some D1 schools played football in D3 until the NCAA closed that, but this might be little different because D2 has never sponsored a women's ice hockey championship. I doubt it would be worth the effort to find the rule; all four teams are now D1 and I don't believe there are any other schools "playing down".

(05-22-2020 07:13 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  Those schools were playing D-3 teams, but were ineligible for the postseason. They were then booted out as the D-3 schools had no reason to keep playing them.

Yes; as I said, the D1/2 schools were not eligible for NEHC or D3 postseason because they awarded athletic scholarships. The conference had a major shake up in 2017 when the D1/2 schools left.

https://www.beaconsathletics.com/general...0126iqvazi

Quote:The women's conference will see an even bigger shake-up. Of the 14 teams that currently make up the NEHC, eight will no longer be a part of the conference by the start of the 2018-19 season.

Division I and II sides College of Holy Cross, Saint Anselm College, Franklin Pierce University and Saint Michael's College are all leaving to move on for other Division I/II opportunities. Meanwhile, Nichols College, the University of New England and Salve Regina University will all be joining the Colonial Hockey Conference over the next two years. Finally, Manhattanville College will be joining the newly created United Collegiate Hockey Conference in 2017-18, to align their hockey teams with the rest of their athletic programs.

(05-22-2020 08:09 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 07:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 07:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 07:18 PM)NoDak Wrote:  None of you idiot elators actually use the words UAH did, temporary. UAH is building on campus arena.
Other Southern schools are planning teams:. High Point, Liberty, Lindenwood and maybe more. UAH has temporarily dissolved hockey before only to bring it back.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/...utType=amp

There is nothing in your article that says it is temporary.

UAH is building a multi-purpose facility that will have ice. Not specifically for the Hockey Team.

Somehow there is the word temporary used under hiring when section 4033(b) or whatever is used. UAH has major scheduling issues this coming year with only UAA and UAF wanting them in their conference.

What's temporary is the 403b matching for employees, you buffoon.

UAH Chargers press release

Quote:To address the financial challenges, we have implemented a hiring freeze, a heightened review of spending, cancellations of faculty sabbaticals, and a temporary suspension of the 403(b) voluntary retirement employer match.

We idiot elators are elated over the clever ploy UAH has pulled here. Who would suspect a new Southern hockey conference now? Perfect misdirection.

(05-22-2020 09:18 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:33 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:13 PM)AZcats Wrote:  Maybe not. The women's teams at Franklin Pierce, Saint Anselm College, and Saint Michael's College were members of the D3 New England Hockey Conference (formerly ECAC East) but were ineligible for the conference or D3 postseason because they were scholarship teams. Wild guess; if those teams were non-scholarship, they might be eligible for all D3 postseason since D2 does not have any ice hockey championships.

As far as I know, playing down a division isn't allowed under any circumstances.

I can't say if it's allowed or not but it did happen for nearly 20 years (1999-2017). The three NE10 schools along with D1 Holy Cross were members of the D3 ECAC East/NEHC and included in the conference standings. We know playing down a division was allowed when some D1 schools played football in D3 until the NCAA closed that, but this might be little different because D2 has never sponsored a women's ice hockey championship. I doubt it would be worth the effort to find the rule; all four teams are now D1 and I don't believe there are any other schools "playing down".

(05-22-2020 07:13 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  Those schools were playing D-3 teams, but were ineligible for the postseason. They were then booted out as the D-3 schools had no reason to keep playing them.

Yes; as I said, the D1/2 schools were not eligible for NEHC or D3 postseason because they awarded athletic scholarships. The conference had a major shake up in 2017 when the D1/2 schools left.

https://www.beaconsathletics.com/general...0126iqvazi

Quote:The women's conference will see an even bigger shake-up. Of the 14 teams that currently make up the NEHC, eight will no longer be a part of the conference by the start of the 2018-19 season.

Division I and II sides College of Holy Cross, Saint Anselm College, Franklin Pierce University and Saint Michael's College are all leaving to move on for other Division I/II opportunities. Meanwhile, Nichols College, the University of New England and Salve Regina University will all be joining the Colonial Hockey Conference over the next two years. Finally, Manhattanville College will be joining the newly created United Collegiate Hockey Conference in 2017-18, to align their hockey teams with the rest of their athletic programs.

My understanding (which I don't know how to verify) is that those teams would've been ineligible for the D3 postseason even if they didn't offer scholarships.

My question is will the cuts to Hockey and Baseball snowball to the point where whole conferences give them up?

D1 Hockey in particular since so few have it.

(05-23-2020 12:59 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  My question is will the cuts to Hockey and Baseball snowball to the point where whole conferences give them up?

D1 Hockey in particular since so few have it.

Other than the B1G, everyone else is in a hockey only conference, so I doubt that will happen.

(05-22-2020 09:15 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 09:05 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 08:52 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Who is now the southern-most hockey program?

Excluding Arizona St — Air Force.

East of the Mississippi, it would be Miami (OH). East of the Appalachian Divide, actually Princeton. If Navy adds, they’d beat out Air Force. The answer is still Arizona State.

Bingo. We're in a dark spot as a program now, but during our run as a legit contender we took advantage of the wide-open southern hockey space in recruiting (and the west coast to a lesser extent).

A lot of people jeered Bettman's southern hockey expansion in the nineties (which is open to a fair amount of criticisms), but regardless of how the NHL teams have done it's opened up the sport for local talent with a few decades to establish itself.

What a fun program and it is a shame the program shut down.

My father worked for UAH and as a teenager, we enjoyed the campus. Hockey was THE program for a school that can't compete with Auburn and Alabama in football. The school would invite schools to visit and beat them. It looks like the school wasn't having much luck winning recently. That is too bad.

(05-22-2020 02:52 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 02:47 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Shame, the only deep south school with D1 hockey, but without a league it would be hard for them to continue.

Even the NHL struggles south of Nashville. I.E. Atlanta

The farts@ Atlanta Spirit just wanted Phillips Arena and the Hawks, because they thought those were the most profitable. They ended up selling Hawks and the arena too to some company out of California.

(05-22-2020 09:05 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 08:52 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Who is now the southern-most hockey program?

Excluding Arizona St — Air Force.

Colorado College is south of AFA.

(05-22-2020 06:33 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:13 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 05:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 05:12 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Very sad. :(

I believe there's DIII Hockey. Why don't they just jump there?

They would have to drop entire department to DIII from DII

And there are no southern DIII teams either - all in the Northeast or Upper Midwest

Maybe not. The women's teams at Franklin Pierce, Saint Anselm College, and Saint Michael's College were members of the D3 New England Hockey Conference (formerly ECAC East) but were ineligible for the conference or D3 postseason because they were scholarship teams. Wild guess; if those teams were non-scholarship, they might be eligible for all D3 postseason since D2 does not have any ice hockey championships.

As far as I know, playing down a division isn't allowed under any circumstances.

There is no separate D2 Ice Hockey Championship. It is D1 members that cannot compete in the National Hockey Championship since there is a D1 championship in the sport:

Quote: 18.2.7 Establishment of Two Championships in Sport. If a National Collegiate Championship and one division championship exist in the same sport, only the members of the division sponsoring the division championship may participate in the division championship, and that division's membership may not participate in the National Collegiate Championship in that sport.

Huntsville was competing in D1 in Ice Hockey under this rule:

Quote: 20.8.2 Division II Options When No Division II Championship Is Conducted. An active member institution that holds membership in Division II is eligible to compete in the Division I championship in those sports for which no championship is conducted in Division II. The Division II institution shall declare its intention to compete by June 1. This declaration of intent shall be effective for a minimum of three years. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 9/1/92)

But none of that helps since (1) there aren't D2 schools to play in the region either, and (2) it was already struggling as a conference member, and playing as an independent already posed substantial financial challenges even before #covid19 hit.

(05-23-2020 12:59 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  My question is will the cuts to Hockey and Baseball snowball to the point where whole conferences give them up?

D1 Hockey in particular since so few have it.

It looks grim for the WCHA, as Alabama-Huntsville has dropped the sport and every other member outside of Alaska is walking away to form a new CCHA. But I have no reason to think any of the CCHA schools will walk away. As for the Alaska schools: Their finances were already thought to be shaky, so who knows?

In this financial environment, I suppose anything could happen, but the CCHA is getting the strongest most tradition-bound WCHA programs. All of them have reasons to keep making a go of it.

I live in Huntsville.

Covid-19 was just an excuse to do something that should have been done the last time it actually happened.

Ice-Hockey in Alabama has always been an anomoly. Sure, they had a few good seasons in the past but since bringing the program back it has been outright terrible. Then the conference pretty much went away.

UAH hockey was drawing 2688 attendance in a 5-win season before the realignment storm screwed them over. UAH had a self-sustainable fan base at that point.

UAH hockey is saved...for now.

That will be awesome if they can pull it off!

Turned it around in only 7 days. Amazing.

(05-29-2020 05:24 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  UAH hockey is saved...for now.

I'm such a. idiot!
https://m.startribune.com/alabama-huntsv...570877932/

UAH has developed a 5 year philanthropic model and granted conference rights beyond five years too. So a southern conference is almost certainly coming.

(05-29-2020 10:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 05:24 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  UAH hockey is saved...for now.

I'm such a. idiot!
https://m.startribune.com/alabama-huntsv...570877932/

UAH has developed a 5 year philanthropic model and granted conference rights beyond five years too. So a southern conference is almost certainly coming.

Glad you're still lingering about! Technically you have all of Saturday for the announcements to come for two new FBS conferences. Love those weekend press releases.

And yes, the lone NCAA hockey program in the South may cling to life for a while longer with donations, in a shell of a conference with the 2 Alaska schools, which were facing severe financial problems even before COVID. This almost certainly must mean a Southern hockey conference is coming. Maybe the Alaska programs could relocate to hockey hotbed Alabama! That's a real "NoDak" of an idea!

(05-29-2020 11:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 10:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 05:24 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  UAH hockey is saved...for now.

I'm such a. idiot!
https://m.startribune.com/alabama-huntsv...570877932/

UAH has developed a 5 year philanthropic model and granted conference rights beyond five years too. So a southern conference is almost certainly coming.

Glad you're still lingering about! Technically you have all of Saturday for the announcements to come for two new FBS conferences. Love those weekend press releases.

And yes, the lone NCAA hockey program in the South may cling to life for a while longer with donations, in a shell of a conference with the 2 Alaska schools, which were facing severe financial problems even before COVID. This almost certainly must mean a Southern hockey conference is coming. Maybe the Alaska programs could relocate to hockey hotbed Alabama! That's a real "NoDak" of an idea!

You seem to be illiterate. High Point has already announced a hockey team with a.
arena and Lindenwood and Liberty are ready to trounce at a southern league spot.

Your favorite moderator johnbragg didn't agree to the bet so nothing forcing me off. I still say the Big Sky may agree to split after Jun 1st and that isn't coverd.

All these posters cheering to lose the only southern NCAA team like you did. Should be ashamed but only cheer for yourself. UAH has a very fertile fan base that is going to come up with donations. It has been attempted to be harmed by Alabamians numerous times but has won every encounter to kill it.