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Mandatory masks in public? How phucking humiliating. No way.
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(05-19-2020 10:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Why is common sense so f-ing lost on people.

If you are outside and can maintain 6+ feet (or whatever) you don;t need to wear a mask. If you are walking into a public building - Doesn't it kinda just make sense for now that you cover your face for your own good and those of others around you?


I think wearing a mask sucks and it is your ultimate choice to wear one, but FFS have some common sense and courtesy (and respect for others).

Agreed 110%

I don't think the common sense is lost on many people... I think that some people can't see the forest for the trees, and politicians take advantage of this.

There is a small percentage of people.. some who are VERY vocal... who don't accept what you've said here... and politicians amplify those people even more... creating concerns amongst some others that there are lots of people who wouldn't practice common sense like this... and thus the government needs to 'force' it. These people don't realize that their focus on 'their right to not conform, even to mere suggestions' actually encourages many people to feel the need to 'force' compliance on them.
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(05-19-2020 10:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Why is common sense so f-ing lost on people.

If you are outside and can maintain 6+ feet (or whatever) you don;t need to wear a mask. If you are walking into a public building - Doesn't it kinda just make sense for now that you cover your face for your own good and those of others around you?


I think wearing a mask sucks and it is your ultimate choice to wear one, but FFS have some common sense and courtesy (and respect for others).

What in the current situation we are currently in has changed the science behind how PPE works? It didn't make sense before to wear anything other than a properly certified filtration respirator to protect you from a communicable disease, what has changed in order for you to say this?

Here's a hint: absolutely nothing has changed. You wearing a homemade mask to protect yourself from something as small as a virus is as effective as wearing a perforated condom and thinking it's safe sex because it might stop some of the HIV. The science hasn't changed.
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(05-19-2020 01:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 10:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Why is common sense so f-ing lost on people.

If you are outside and can maintain 6+ feet (or whatever) you don;t need to wear a mask. If you are walking into a public building - Doesn't it kinda just make sense for now that you cover your face for your own good and those of others around you?


I think wearing a mask sucks and it is your ultimate choice to wear one, but FFS have some common sense and courtesy (and respect for others).

What in the current situation we are currently in has changed the science behind how PPE works? It didn't make sense before to wear anything other than a properly certified filtration respirator to protect you from a communicable disease, what has changed in order for you to say this?

Here's a hint: absolutely nothing has changed. You wearing a homemade mask to protect yourself from something as small as a virus is as effective as wearing a perforated condom and thinking it's safe sex because it might stop some of the HIV. The science hasn't changed.

I don't see anyone claiming that a cloth mask is intended to protect the wearer from contracting the virus. I think the idea behind it is to protect others if you're unknowingly a carrier.
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(05-19-2020 11:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  If a private business requires it then that’s fine. What’s not fine is a governor demanding everyone wear masks in public. That’s strictly unconstitutional

Agree.
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(05-19-2020 10:51 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  Given that this has become the political hot button issue the last week or two, do you support anywhere from local to federal government legislation that would require you to wear a facemask at all times when in public, including outdoors?

I was just interested to see where everyone lies on this.

Other than Nazi politicians, the MSM and a few Karens, who is that concerned about it?
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(05-19-2020 02:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 11:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  If a private business requires it then that’s fine. What’s not fine is a governor demanding everyone wear masks in public. That’s strictly unconstitutional

Agree.

How's it unconstitutional?
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(05-19-2020 02:00 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 01:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 10:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Why is common sense so f-ing lost on people.

If you are outside and can maintain 6+ feet (or whatever) you don;t need to wear a mask. If you are walking into a public building - Doesn't it kinda just make sense for now that you cover your face for your own good and those of others around you?


I think wearing a mask sucks and it is your ultimate choice to wear one, but FFS have some common sense and courtesy (and respect for others).

What in the current situation we are currently in has changed the science behind how PPE works? It didn't make sense before to wear anything other than a properly certified filtration respirator to protect you from a communicable disease, what has changed in order for you to say this?

Here's a hint: absolutely nothing has changed. You wearing a homemade mask to protect yourself from something as small as a virus is as effective as wearing a perforated condom and thinking it's safe sex because it might stop some of the HIV. The science hasn't changed.

I don't see anyone claiming that a cloth mask is intended to protect the wearer from contracting the virus. I think the idea behind it is to protect others if you're unknowingly a carrier.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence asymptomatic people can spread the disease. That was just a scare tactic put out from the onset. If so, it will be the only virus in history that has this feature. People who spread HIV, know they have HIV. The only thing a mask will help is if you have it with symptoms it MAY HELP keep from spreading it. But if you have it, just like the Flu, you should not go around people. I will leave this here for your reading enjoyment.
Effectiveness of masks against CoVid19
Quote:Can wearing a face mask protect you from the coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Face masks can play a role in preventing the infection, but that role is limited. A healthy individual in a normal situation does not need to wear a mask, as per CDC recommendations. A face mask is not the ideal solution for protection from the new coronavirus for the following reasons:

A surgical mask does not fit tightly over the nose and mouth.
It is not possible to prevent airborne virus infection.
It is difficult to keep a mask on for long periods of time.
When you touch the mask, you lose the protection and must replace the mask, and dispose of it safely.
A surgical face mask is highly recommended for people who have the coronavirus infection or have a high risk of exposure. It offers a certain amount of protection against infection from your own hands or droplets from the cough or sneeze of an infected person.

Now somebody ask me why the US was hit so hard from this. It is pretty obvious, but I can help with that too.
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(05-19-2020 02:00 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 01:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 10:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Why is common sense so f-ing lost on people.

If you are outside and can maintain 6+ feet (or whatever) you don;t need to wear a mask. If you are walking into a public building - Doesn't it kinda just make sense for now that you cover your face for your own good and those of others around you?


I think wearing a mask sucks and it is your ultimate choice to wear one, but FFS have some common sense and courtesy (and respect for others).

What in the current situation we are currently in has changed the science behind how PPE works? It didn't make sense before to wear anything other than a properly certified filtration respirator to protect you from a communicable disease, what has changed in order for you to say this?

Here's a hint: absolutely nothing has changed. You wearing a homemade mask to protect yourself from something as small as a virus is as effective as wearing a perforated condom and thinking it's safe sex because it might stop some of the HIV. The science hasn't changed.

I don't see anyone claiming that a cloth mask is intended to protect the wearer from contracting the virus. I think the idea behind it is to protect others if you're unknowingly a carrier.

Same principal applies. If it lets the virus in it's also letting the virus out.
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(05-19-2020 10:59 AM)DFWMINER Wrote:  Agree with GrayBeard. The jury is out on how effective they are and in some cases they can be harmful by restriction O2 and leading to excess CO2.

And add in "they" are saying you can wear a cloth mask as an option is even more of a reason to leave it to the individual as cloth masks aren't really doing much of anything.

..about the only good cloth masks do is hide a robbers identity!03-lmfao03-lmfao
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In thirty years people are going to look back on the homemade mask BS as protection like we currently look back on "Duck and Cover" being protection from a nuclear weapons blast "How in the world were so many people stupid enough to believe that protected them?"
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(05-19-2020 02:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  In thirty years people are going to look back on the homemade mask BS as protection like we currently look back on "Duck and Cover" being protection from a nuclear weapons blast "How in the world were so many people stupid enough to believe that protected them?"

It actually would protect you if you weren't too close to a major metro.

It was probably helpful for us in Lexington, Kentucky if Cincinnati, 80 miles away, got hit.
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(05-19-2020 02:10 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 02:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 11:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  If a private business requires it then that’s fine. What’s not fine is a governor demanding everyone wear masks in public. That’s strictly unconstitutional

Agree.

How's it unconstitutional?
Governors don't make law. They sign bills into law after the legislature votes and approves bills to be sent up to the Governor to sign. Executive orders only apply to government employees not to the citizenry. We don't live in a Fascist tyrannic society. See the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.
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(05-19-2020 02:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  In thirty years people are going to look back on the homemade mask BS as protection like we currently look back on "Duck and Cover" being protection from a nuclear weapons blast "How in the world were so many people stupid enough to believe that protected them?"

I always thought that was to keep stupid people from having their eyes and skin roasted by the light of the blast
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(05-19-2020 02:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  In thirty years people are going to look back on the homemade mask BS as protection like we currently look back on "Duck and Cover" being protection from a nuclear weapons blast "How in the world were so many people stupid enough to believe that protected them?"

I remember as a kid having those drills. We were told to get under the writing portion of our desks which were about 20 years old then. And my school was about 5 miles as the crow flies from a major AFB and about 20 miles from a major shipbuilding company. We might as well gone outside.
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(05-19-2020 02:11 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 02:00 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 01:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 10:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Why is common sense so f-ing lost on people.

If you are outside and can maintain 6+ feet (or whatever) you don;t need to wear a mask. If you are walking into a public building - Doesn't it kinda just make sense for now that you cover your face for your own good and those of others around you?


I think wearing a mask sucks and it is your ultimate choice to wear one, but FFS have some common sense and courtesy (and respect for others).

What in the current situation we are currently in has changed the science behind how PPE works? It didn't make sense before to wear anything other than a properly certified filtration respirator to protect you from a communicable disease, what has changed in order for you to say this?

Here's a hint: absolutely nothing has changed. You wearing a homemade mask to protect yourself from something as small as a virus is as effective as wearing a perforated condom and thinking it's safe sex because it might stop some of the HIV. The science hasn't changed.

I don't see anyone claiming that a cloth mask is intended to protect the wearer from contracting the virus. I think the idea behind it is to protect others if you're unknowingly a carrier.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence asymptomatic people can spread the disease. That was just a scare tactic put out from the onset. If so, it will be the only virus in history that has this feature. People who spread HIV, know they have HIV. The only thing a mask will help is if you have it with symptoms it MAY HELP keep from spreading it. But if you have it, just like the Flu, you should not go around people. I will leave this here for your reading enjoyment.
Effectiveness of masks against CoVid19
Quote:Can wearing a face mask protect you from the coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Face masks can play a role in preventing the infection, but that role is limited. A healthy individual in a normal situation does not need to wear a mask, as per CDC recommendations. A face mask is not the ideal solution for protection from the new coronavirus for the following reasons:

A surgical mask does not fit tightly over the nose and mouth.
It is not possible to prevent airborne virus infection.
It is difficult to keep a mask on for long periods of time.
When you touch the mask, you lose the protection and must replace the mask, and dispose of it safely.
A surgical face mask is highly recommended for people who have the coronavirus infection or have a high risk of exposure. It offers a certain amount of protection against infection from your own hands or droplets from the cough or sneeze of an infected person.

Now somebody ask me why the US was hit so hard from this. It is pretty obvious, but I can help with that too.

(05-19-2020 02:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Same principal applies. If it lets the virus in it's also letting the virus out.
It's not about the virus as much as it is about the fluids that the virus 'rides' upon.

A surgical mask on 'me' doesn't reduce the amount of liquid released by your cough or sneeze.... that has an opportunity to infect me not only through my mouth and nose, but my eyes... and as a secondary contributor, to my hands and surfaces that I might touch. The virus can live on plastic and metal surfaces for many hours. It does demonstrably meaningfully reduce the amount of liquid released by the sneezer (which is the carrier for the virus) AND the distance that fluid travels.

The point of a mask in more open places (where social distancing is easy) is to augment/replace sneezing into a tissue as a means of limiting the spread... and no, not only do 'sick' people sneeze or cough or speak loud or spit a little when they speak. Here is a solid article on the whole issue. https://theconversation.com/should-we-we...ion-135135 it even explains why 'six feet'. This number comes from this 'evidence'.

N95 masks (when worn properly which most people don't know how to do) DO help protect the wearer.

The CDC recognizes presymptomatic or asymptomatic transmission... https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-1595_article
They note epidemiological, virologic and modeling evidence of it... but more important, not everyone would recognize mild symptoms and seek medical attention or self-quarantine... so you could absolutely be symptomatic, but perhaps a mild case, or you're just not aware of what the symptoms are... or which ones you have.

Now, if you want to argue the statistics, that's fine... Yes, someone in flu blown and serious infection has 'more' of the virus than someone who doesn't. We're now arguing over the definition of 'a lot', which seems rather pointless as honest people can disagree not only on the definition of 'a lot', but as to what steps are 'reasonable' in response to 'a lot'.... but still... if I work in healthcare and someone with the disease sneezes and it falls to my shoes, and I use my hands to remove my shoes and then touch the credit card machine at the cafeteria, you could get it from someone with no infection whatsoever.

N95's are uncomfortable.... and absolutely restrict air flow. That's their job. Bandanas or surgical masks don't need to be uncomfortable. Yes, they can be uncomfortable at times and of course, you can get too hot breathing behind one and need to 'air it out' to avoid sweating, but still... sweat is a more controlled release than a cough or sneeze... and if you're putting your mask on and off at reasonable intervals, you can catch the overwhelming majority of unintentional 'spray' while not risking sweating through your mask and defeating (somewhat) the purpose.
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I don't understand the incredible anger some people are showing towards folks who wear masks. I'm wearing a mask at work (indoors - not outdoors when I head to the street) because quite frankly, I work with a bunch of fools who I don't trust well enough to stay healthy. Whether or not it keeps me healthy is certainly questionable, but the argument it's making me sicker is incredibly foolish. Are those same people saying that on a super cold day, you can't wear scarves outside because you're also limiting your oxygen intake?

Some people aren't going to wear masks and that's fine, although I don't want them coming up to me to invade my personal space if I'm uncomfortable with that. At the same time, I don't know how anyone can get mad at me for wearing a mask. People have been doing that in other countries for years. It can also be a cool fashion statement - my wife just made me a new Purdue mask that I love. I'm going to also ask her to make me a Rice one.

Another question - why is requiring masks any different from requiring people to wear clothes? I guess I'm not talking clothes in general, but there are plenty of restaurants that say no shoes, no shirt, no service (especially ones near beaches or swimming pools). I don't see where the requirement to wear masks is any different from that type of sign.
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(05-19-2020 04:24 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I don't understand the incredible anger some people are showing towards folks who wear masks. I'm wearing a mask at work (indoors - not outdoors when I head to the street) because quite frankly, I work with a bunch of fools who I don't trust well enough to stay healthy. Whether or not it keeps me healthy is certainly questionable, but the argument it's making me sicker is incredibly foolish. Are those same people saying that on a super cold day, you can't wear scarves outside because you're also limiting your oxygen intake?

Some people aren't going to wear masks and that's fine, although I don't want them coming up to me to invade my personal space if I'm uncomfortable with that. At the same time, I don't know how anyone can get mad at me for wearing a mask. People have been doing that in other countries for years. It can also be a cool fashion statement - my wife just made me a new Purdue mask that I love. I'm going to also ask her to make me a Rice one.

Another question - why is requiring masks any different from requiring people to wear clothes? I guess I'm not talking clothes in general, but there are plenty of restaurants that say no shoes, no shirt, no service (especially ones near beaches or swimming pools). I don't see where the requirement to wear masks is any different from that type of sign.

A private business owner requiring people to wear masks on their private property is different from the government requiring it. If that business required masks I would not go there. I would go to one that doesn’t require masks. And the guy who requires masks would probably eventually be put out of business by his stupid requirement. Free market.
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(05-19-2020 04:24 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I don't understand the incredible anger some people are showing towards folks who wear masks. I'm wearing a mask at work (indoors - not outdoors when I head to the street) because quite frankly, I work with a bunch of fools who I don't trust well enough to stay healthy. Whether or not it keeps me healthy is certainly questionable, but the argument it's making me sicker is incredibly foolish. Are those same people saying that on a super cold day, you can't wear scarves outside because you're also limiting your oxygen intake?

Some people aren't going to wear masks and that's fine, although I don't want them coming up to me to invade my personal space if I'm uncomfortable with that. At the same time, I don't know how anyone can get mad at me for wearing a mask. People have been doing that in other countries for years. It can also be a cool fashion statement - my wife just made me a new Purdue mask that I love. I'm going to also ask her to make me a Rice one.

Another question - why is requiring masks any different from requiring people to wear clothes? I guess I'm not talking clothes in general, but there are plenty of restaurants that say no shoes, no shirt, no service (especially ones near beaches or swimming pools). I don't see where the requirement to wear masks is any different from that type of sign.

I could care less if someone chooses to wear a mask, have at it. If a business chooses to make customer’s wear a mask, fine. I can choose to wear in the store or go somewhere else.

Healthcare professionals wearing them (they are trained how to correctly do it and discard and put on new) makes perfect sense.

Joe Blow wearing a bandana in Walmart is about the equivalent of putting up a chainlink fence to keep out the mosquitos.......done only to make a segment of the population feel better. But it seems our government more and more is about the “feels”...........
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(05-19-2020 04:24 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I don't understand the incredible anger some people are showing towards folks who wear masks. I'm wearing a mask at work (indoors - not outdoors when I head to the street) because quite frankly, I work with a bunch of fools who I don't trust well enough to stay healthy. Whether or not it keeps me healthy is certainly questionable, but the argument it's making me sicker is incredibly foolish. Are those same people saying that on a super cold day, you can't wear scarves outside because you're also limiting your oxygen intake?

Some people aren't going to wear masks and that's fine, although I don't want them coming up to me to invade my personal space if I'm uncomfortable with that. At the same time, I don't know how anyone can get mad at me for wearing a mask. People have been doing that in other countries for years. It can also be a cool fashion statement - my wife just made me a new Purdue mask that I love. I'm going to also ask her to make me a Rice one.

Another question - why is requiring masks any different from requiring people to wear clothes? I guess I'm not talking clothes in general, but there are plenty of restaurants that say no shoes, no shirt, no service (especially ones near beaches or swimming pools). I don't see where the requirement to wear masks is any different from that type of sign.

Wearing masks may increase your risk of coronavirus infection, expert says

https://www.news-medical.net/news/202003...-says.aspx

Masks may actually increase your coronavirus risk if worn improperly, surgeon general warns

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/health/su...index.html
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