(05-13-2020 08:18 PM)3BNole Wrote:  The reality of the matter is that IF a vaccine can even be developed, it’s at a minimum 1-2 years away. The second undeniable fact is that we cannot shelter in place 1-2 years. Therefore it is inevitable that it will spread regardless of what we do over the next couple of months.

So in other words, other countries are able to get the epidemic under control, but it is beyond America's capabilities.

(05-13-2020 11:50 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:18 PM)3BNole Wrote:  The reality of the matter is that IF a vaccine can even be developed, it’s at a minimum 1-2 years away. The second undeniable fact is that we cannot shelter in place 1-2 years. Therefore it is inevitable that it will spread regardless of what we do over the next couple of months.

So in other words, other countries are able to get the epidemic under control, but it is beyond America's capabilities.

Yes and no. It depends on your definition of under control. If your definition is: permanently taking extreme measures to instantly lockdown large swaths of the economy and restricting travel, then yes. What I’m saying is that for at least the next 1-2 years, but more than likely forever, this virus is here to stay. South Korea and Taiwan won’t be able to continue their containment forever, so it will eventually spread there as anywhere else. Control is a pointless term. It’s like saying that you’ve kept the tide from sweeping away your sandcastle by building a little wall made of sand. Maybe you slowed it down a little, but eventually you’ve gotta leave the beach and it’s going to get washed away.

(05-13-2020 08:03 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Are the hospitals overwhelmed there?

No they are not. And about 1/3rd or so of the Auburn cases are actually from Chambers and some from Russell counties which are more rural and have little in the way of reliable health care. They go to East Alabama Medical Center in Opelika (almost indistinguishable from Auburn) and they get counted as Lee County cases. The Hospital here set up a couple of weeks in advance to be able to dedicate a floor and part of the ICU to what they were expecting and set up a triage to distinguish between normal emergency cases (heart, stroke, gallbladder etc) and COVID 19. Many of the Lee County cases were attributed to a local student who graduated at the end of Spring Semester and went skiing in Colorado, contracted the disease and returned and ate at a popular restaurant, and to about 3 churches which spread the virus very efficiently through singing, touching hymn books, and touching pew surfaces. It is believed that the nursing home outbreak was traceable to a person exposed at Church.

I'm all about freedom of religion but the setting was and is perfect for transmission. And when Sunday attendees eat out, or visit nursing homes as they frequently do in the South on Sunday afternoons you get the broadcast pattern for the disease.

Having one postal handler in Montgomery who worked sorting mail probably didn't help anyone in this region either because about half the state' mail goes through that facility, and that postal worker died, or so I was told so that needs verification, but it was reported that one had it.

Everyone in our neighborhood gets out of the house and walks but observes distancing and most wear masks. What everyone does do is Lysol their mail.

So after reading through this thread I find the usual overreactions to what for most people in Lee Country is an annoyance and because the public is ignorant of what actually happens here and why it looks on paper worse than it is.

I doubt we have man students die from COVID19. The problem with the students is that they carry it and pass it on, especially at open businesses where they are the last ones to take precautions. Without the students Auburn might have 30,000 people. With them it is almost doubled, especially when the service people many of which live beyond Lee County drive in for work.

With the students away the pace of quarantine has been relatively easy. Sam's is open on Tuesdays and Thursdays an hour earlier for seniors and they enforce social distancing. Walmart is open early on Tuesdays for the same but enforcement of social distancing is hit or miss depending upon the workers. Sams has been well stocked Walmart less so on the key items. There's plenty of paper towels and toilet paper, plenty of meat and the prices aren't gouged. What nobody has is a bottle of rubbing alcohol and some beans are getting scarce and finding your favorite pasta sauce is hit our miss and fire roasted diced tomatoes are wiped out, go figure.

So we really aren't that bad off. And a kudos to AT&T. We've had some kind of free premier movie channel since the Quarantine began.

(05-13-2020 08:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Alabama was one of the last states to shut down and their overall death rates are relatively low.

I think it's possible the CV death stats may be inflated. Basically, the current policy is a "probable" standard, where assumptions are made.

Also, I saw a report from San Diego yesterday that said of 194 "Covid 19 deaths" they have reported, only 6 were "pure" CV deaths, the other 188 involved people with serious underlying health conditions. So it's like if someone dies and they have CV, the death is being reported as a CV death even though they have other things that can kill as well.

(05-14-2020 03:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Alabama was one of the last states to shut down and their overall death rates are relatively low.

I think it's possible the CV death stats may be inflated. Basically, the current policy is a "probable" standard, where assumptions are made.

Also, I saw a report from San Diego yesterday that said of 194 "Covid 19 deaths" they have reported, only 6 were "pure" CV deaths, the other 188 involved people with serious underlying health conditions. So it's like if someone dies and they have CV, the death is being reported as a CV death even though they have other things that can kill as well.

And? Covid-19 attacks multiple organ systems - heart, kidneys, blood - if someone has a heart condition, but are living and managing the condition and the Covid-19 causes the heart condition to kill the person, then it is truly a Covid 19 death. Without the virus, the patient would still be alive.

40% of Americans have "known" underlying health conditions that given them a higher risk factor.


What is a "pure" Covid death?

(05-14-2020 03:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:03 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Are the hospitals overwhelmed there?

No they are not. And about 1/3rd or so of the Auburn cases are actually from Chambers and some from Russell counties which are more rural and have little in the way of reliable health care. They go to East Alabama Medical Center in Opelika (almost indistinguishable from Auburn) and they get counted as Lee County cases. The Hospital here set up a couple of weeks in advance to be able to dedicate a floor and part of the ICU to what they were expecting and set up a triage to distinguish between normal emergency cases (heart, stroke, gallbladder etc) and COVID 19. Many of the Lee County cases were attributed to a local student who graduated at the end of Spring Semester and went skiing in Colorado, contracted the disease and returned and ate at a popular restaurant, and to about 3 churches which spread the virus very efficiently through singing, touching hymn books, and touching pew surfaces. It is believed that the nursing home outbreak was traceable to a person exposed at Church.

I'm all about freedom of religion but the setting was and is perfect for transmission. And when Sunday attendees eat out, or visit nursing homes as they frequently do in the South on Sunday afternoons you get the broadcast pattern for the disease.

Having one postal handler in Montgomery who worked sorting mail probably didn't help anyone in this region either because about half the state' mail goes through that facility, and that postal worker died, or so I was told so that needs verification, but it was reported that one had it.

Everyone in our neighborhood gets out of the house and walks but observes distancing and most wear masks. What everyone does do is Lysol their mail.

So after reading through this thread I find the usual overreactions to what for most people in Lee Country is an annoyance and because the public is ignorant of what actually happens here and why it looks on paper worse than it is.

I doubt we have man students die from COVID19. The problem with the students is that they carry it and pass it on, especially at open businesses where they are the last ones to take precautions. Without the students Auburn might have 30,000 people. With them it is almost doubled, especially when the service people many of which live beyond Lee County drive in for work.

With the students away the pace of quarantine has been relatively easy. Sam's is open on Tuesdays and Thursdays an hour earlier for seniors and they enforce social distancing. Walmart is open early on Tuesdays for the same but enforcement of social distancing is hit or miss depending upon the workers. Sams has been well stocked Walmart less so on the key items. There's plenty of paper towels and toilet paper, plenty of meat and the prices aren't gouged. What nobody has is a bottle of rubbing alcohol and some beans are getting scarce and finding your favorite pasta sauce is hit our miss and fire roasted diced tomatoes are wiped out, go figure.

So we really aren't that bad off. And a kudos to AT&T. We've had some kind of free premier movie channel since the Quarantine began.

I live in Chambers county and yes most patients that have to enter the hospital do go to East Alabama Hospital located in Opelika. Residents of Chambers county are listed in the numbers for Chambers county not Lee County. East Alabama Hospital also manages George H Lanier Hospital located in Chambers county. Lee and Chambers county were one of the first counties in Alabama to start testing and reporting the number of cases.

(05-14-2020 03:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 03:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Alabama was one of the last states to shut down and their overall death rates are relatively low.

I think it's possible the CV death stats may be inflated. Basically, the current policy is a "probable" standard, where assumptions are made.

Also, I saw a report from San Diego yesterday that said of 194 "Covid 19 deaths" they have reported, only 6 were "pure" CV deaths, the other 188 involved people with serious underlying health conditions. So it's like if someone dies and they have CV, the death is being reported as a CV death even though they have other things that can kill as well.

And? Covid-19 attacks multiple organ systems - heart, kidneys, blood - if someone has a heart condition, but are living and managing the condition and the Covid-19 causes the heart condition to kill the person, then it is truly a Covid 19 death. Without the virus, the patient would still be alive.

40% of Americans have "known" underlying health conditions that given them a higher risk factor.


What is a "pure" Covid death?

A death caused by CV, meaning no other serious underlying medical conditions were present. Because your logic is kind of faulty. We know the mortality rate for "CV" is way lower when people don't have underlying conditions. That means that in your example, it's also true that absent the heart condition, they don't die even though they have CV. So might as well call it "truly" a heart condition death.

So maybe a 50-50 split, though in truth, that person would probably live longer with CV and no heart disease than heart disease and no CV.

It's important to know about underlying conditions, because it suggests a much more targeted approach. Rather than locking down tens of millions whose risk-factor for dying of CV is extremely low, provide strong protections for vulnerable people - extreme lockdowns and distancing at places like hospitals and nursing homes with high elderly populations, stay-at-home for people with diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and asthma. Everyone else, go about your business.

(05-14-2020 04:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 03:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 03:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Alabama was one of the last states to shut down and their overall death rates are relatively low.

I think it's possible the CV death stats may be inflated. Basically, the current policy is a "probable" standard, where assumptions are made.

Also, I saw a report from San Diego yesterday that said of 194 "Covid 19 deaths" they have reported, only 6 were "pure" CV deaths, the other 188 involved people with serious underlying health conditions. So it's like if someone dies and they have CV, the death is being reported as a CV death even though they have other things that can kill as well.

And? Covid-19 attacks multiple organ systems - heart, kidneys, blood - if someone has a heart condition, but are living and managing the condition and the Covid-19 causes the heart condition to kill the person, then it is truly a Covid 19 death. Without the virus, the patient would still be alive.

40% of Americans have "known" underlying health conditions that given them a higher risk factor.


What is a "pure" Covid death?

A death caused by CV, meaning no other serious underlying medical conditions were present. Because your logic is kind of faulty. We know the mortality rate for "CV" is way lower when people don't have underlying conditions. That means that in your example, it's also true that absent the heart condition, they don't die even though they have CV. So might as well call it "truly" a heart condition death.

So maybe a 50-50 split, though in truth, that person would probably live longer with CV and no heart disease than heart disease and no CV.

It's important to know about underlying conditions, because it suggests a much more targeted approach. Rather than locking down tens of millions whose risk-factor for dying of CV is extremely low, provide strong protections for vulnerable people - extreme lockdowns and distancing at places like hospitals and nursing homes with high elderly populations, stay-at-home for people with diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and asthma. Everyone else, go about your business.

yep

(05-14-2020 04:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 03:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 03:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Alabama was one of the last states to shut down and their overall death rates are relatively low.

I think it's possible the CV death stats may be inflated. Basically, the current policy is a "probable" standard, where assumptions are made.

Also, I saw a report from San Diego yesterday that said of 194 "Covid 19 deaths" they have reported, only 6 were "pure" CV deaths, the other 188 involved people with serious underlying health conditions. So it's like if someone dies and they have CV, the death is being reported as a CV death even though they have other things that can kill as well.

And? Covid-19 attacks multiple organ systems - heart, kidneys, blood - if someone has a heart condition, but are living and managing the condition and the Covid-19 causes the heart condition to kill the person, then it is truly a Covid 19 death. Without the virus, the patient would still be alive.

40% of Americans have "known" underlying health conditions that given them a higher risk factor.


What is a "pure" Covid death?

A death caused by CV, meaning no other serious underlying medical conditions were present. Because your logic is kind of faulty. We know the mortality rate for "CV" is way lower when people don't have underlying conditions. That means that in your example, it's also true that absent the heart condition, they don't die even though they have CV. So might as well call it "truly" a heart condition death.

So maybe a 50-50 split, though in truth, that person would probably live longer with CV and no heart disease than heart disease and no CV.

It's important to know about underlying conditions, because it suggests a much more targeted approach. Rather than locking down tens of millions whose risk-factor for dying of CV is extremely low, provide strong protections for vulnerable people - extreme lockdowns and distancing at places like hospitals and nursing homes with high elderly populations, stay-at-home for people with diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and asthma. Everyone else, go about your business.

So 40% of the country is under strict lockdown, while the rest become carriers.

How are the 40% supposed to do essential items, like shop for food, go to doctor's visits, etc? You would have greater economic loss.


And the focus on deaths is short-sighted - healthy individuals, who didn't have underlying conditions so they were able to "recover", have experienced reduced lung capacity and other health woes that will continue long after the virus isn't present in their body.

(05-14-2020 05:05 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 11:50 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So in other words, other countries are able to get the epidemic under control, but it is beyond America's capabilities.

Yes and no. It depends on your definition of under control. If your definition is: permanently taking extreme measures to instantly lockdown large swaths of the economy and restricting travel, then yes.

Except none of the countries that have it under control are looking at anything like "permanent lockdowns of large swathes of the economy" ... the social distancing measures go up and down in different cities depending on how long since their last case, but most of the Chinese economy is open, since China ramped up its testing and tracking capabilities during the lockdown.

Quote: What I’m saying is that for at least the next 1-2 years, but more than likely forever, this virus is here to stay. South Korea and Taiwan won’t be able to continue their containment forever, so it will eventually spread there as anywhere else.

All of the countries doing a better job of containing the epidemic than the US ... which is now basically all of the advanced industrial economies and most of the rapidly emerging economies ... are going to be having more economic activity than the US is going to be able to sustain as the epidemic starts to rage out of control in the states rushing to open without testing and tracking capabilities in place.

Quote: Control is a pointless term. It’s like saying that you’ve kept the tide from sweeping away your sandcastle by building a little wall made of sand.

This would sound a lot more plausible if the United States with 5% of the world's population did not have a quarter of the covid19 deaths. It's more like if you don't do a competent job of building your seawalls, you are going to face a lot more flooding at a very high tide than those on other parts of the coast who do a competent job of building their seawalls.

(05-15-2020 07:17 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 05:05 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 11:50 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So in other words, other countries are able to get the epidemic under control, but it is beyond America's capabilities.

Yes and no. It depends on your definition of under control. If your definition is: permanently taking extreme measures to instantly lockdown large swaths of the economy and restricting travel, then yes.

Except none of the countries that have it under control are looking at anything like "permanent lockdowns of large swathes of the economy" ... the social distancing measures go up and down in different cities depending on how long since their last case, but most of the Chinese economy is open, since China ramped up its testing and tracking capabilities during the lockdown.

Quote: What I’m saying is that for at least the next 1-2 years, but more than likely forever, this virus is here to stay. South Korea and Taiwan won’t be able to continue their containment forever, so it will eventually spread there as anywhere else.

All of the countries doing a better job of containing the epidemic than the US ... which is now basically all of the advanced industrial economies and most of the rapidly emerging economies ... are going to be having more economic activity than the US is going to be able to sustain as the epidemic starts to rage out of control in the states rushing to open without testing and tracking capabilities in place.

Quote: Control is a pointless term. It’s like saying that you’ve kept the tide from sweeping away your sandcastle by building a little wall made of sand.

This would sound a lot more plausible if the United States with 5% of the world's population did not have a quarter of the covid19 deaths. It's more like if you don't do a competent job of building your seawalls, you are going to face a lot more flooding at a very high tide than those on other parts of the coast who do a competent job of building their seawalls.

You are assuming China's reporting is accurate.

(05-13-2020 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  According to the Auburn president. There's a youtube greeting out there. He says there will be students on campus. There will be fraternities and sororities. There will be 400-500 clubs. There will be pizza and popsicles with the President. And there will be football.

Do you have a link to the YouTube video? I can't find it. I live in Lee County, so it's of interest to me.

(05-15-2020 08:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:17 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 05:05 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 11:50 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So in other words, other countries are able to get the epidemic under control, but it is beyond America's capabilities.

Yes and no. It depends on your definition of under control. If your definition is: permanently taking extreme measures to instantly lockdown large swaths of the economy and restricting travel, then yes.

Except none of the countries that have it under control are looking at anything like "permanent lockdowns of large swathes of the economy" ... the social distancing measures go up and down in different cities depending on how long since their last case, but most of the Chinese economy is open, since China ramped up its testing and tracking capabilities during the lockdown.

Quote: What I’m saying is that for at least the next 1-2 years, but more than likely forever, this virus is here to stay. South Korea and Taiwan won’t be able to continue their containment forever, so it will eventually spread there as anywhere else.

All of the countries doing a better job of containing the epidemic than the US ... which is now basically all of the advanced industrial economies and most of the rapidly emerging economies ... are going to be having more economic activity than the US is going to be able to sustain as the epidemic starts to rage out of control in the states rushing to open without testing and tracking capabilities in place.

Quote: Control is a pointless term. It’s like saying that you’ve kept the tide from sweeping away your sandcastle by building a little wall made of sand.

This would sound a lot more plausible if the United States with 5% of the world's population did not have a quarter of the covid19 deaths. It's more like if you don't do a competent job of building your seawalls, you are going to face a lot more flooding at a very high tide than those on other parts of the coast who do a competent job of building their seawalls.

You are assuming China's reporting is accurate.

Which is like basing your facts on what you read in National Enquirer.

US death rate is 266 per million
Belgium 784 per million
Spain 588 per million
Italy 519 per million
UK 511 per million
France 409 per million

And without NY, NJ and CT, our death rate would be about half of that 266.

Alabama is way below the US average at 96 per million.

(05-15-2020 09:03 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  According to the Auburn president. There's a youtube greeting out there. He says there will be students on campus. There will be fraternities and sororities. There will be 400-500 clubs. There will be pizza and popsicles with the President. And there will be football.

Do you have a link to the YouTube video? I can't find it. I live in Lee County, so it's of interest to me.

NM, I found it.

(05-15-2020 08:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:17 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 05:05 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 11:50 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So in other words, other countries are able to get the epidemic under control, but it is beyond America's capabilities.

Yes and no. It depends on your definition of under control. If your definition is: permanently taking extreme measures to instantly lockdown large swaths of the economy and restricting travel, then yes.

Except none of the countries that have it under control are looking at anything like "permanent lockdowns of large swathes of the economy" ... the social distancing measures go up and down in different cities depending on how long since their last case, but most of the Chinese economy is open, since China ramped up its testing and tracking capabilities during the lockdown.

Quote: What I’m saying is that for at least the next 1-2 years, but more than likely forever, this virus is here to stay. South Korea and Taiwan won’t be able to continue their containment forever, so it will eventually spread there as anywhere else.

All of the countries doing a better job of containing the epidemic than the US ... which is now basically all of the advanced industrial economies and most of the rapidly emerging economies ... are going to be having more economic activity than the US is going to be able to sustain as the epidemic starts to rage out of control in the states rushing to open without testing and tracking capabilities in place.

Quote: Control is a pointless term. It’s like saying that you’ve kept the tide from sweeping away your sandcastle by building a little wall made of sand.

This would sound a lot more plausible if the United States with 5% of the world's population did not have a quarter of the covid19 deaths. It's more like if you don't do a competent job of building your seawalls, you are going to face a lot more flooding at a very high tide than those on other parts of the coast who do a competent job of building their seawalls.

You are assuming China's reporting is accurate.

Cases - not accurate (especially since many came before there was testing).
Deaths - probably need to multiple by 10, minimum.


New cases = probably pretty accurate

Georgia announces they are playing football. So Auburn has someone to play.

(05-15-2020 10:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 08:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:17 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 05:05 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 11:50 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So in other words, other countries are able to get the epidemic under control, but it is beyond America's capabilities.

Yes and no. It depends on your definition of under control. If your definition is: permanently taking extreme measures to instantly lockdown large swaths of the economy and restricting travel, then yes.

Except none of the countries that have it under control are looking at anything like "permanent lockdowns of large swathes of the economy" ... the social distancing measures go up and down in different cities depending on how long since their last case, but most of the Chinese economy is open, since China ramped up its testing and tracking capabilities during the lockdown.

Quote: What I’m saying is that for at least the next 1-2 years, but more than likely forever, this virus is here to stay. South Korea and Taiwan won’t be able to continue their containment forever, so it will eventually spread there as anywhere else.

All of the countries doing a better job of containing the epidemic than the US ... which is now basically all of the advanced industrial economies and most of the rapidly emerging economies ... are going to be having more economic activity than the US is going to be able to sustain as the epidemic starts to rage out of control in the states rushing to open without testing and tracking capabilities in place.

Quote: Control is a pointless term. It’s like saying that you’ve kept the tide from sweeping away your sandcastle by building a little wall made of sand.

This would sound a lot more plausible if the United States with 5% of the world's population did not have a quarter of the covid19 deaths. It's more like if you don't do a competent job of building your seawalls, you are going to face a lot more flooding at a very high tide than those on other parts of the coast who do a competent job of building their seawalls.

You are assuming China's reporting is accurate.

Which is like basing your facts on what you read in National Enquirer.

US death rate is 266 per million
Belgium 784 per million
Spain 588 per million
Italy 519 per million
UK 511 per million
France 409 per million

And without NY, NJ and CT, our death rate would be about half of that 266.

Alabama is way below the US average at 96 per million.

And without certain parts of those countries their #'s would be lower too. Thats a pretty dumb argument. "Well without this one part of the country (which is the financial capital of the western hemisphere) we would be doing so much better!"

(05-18-2020 09:25 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 10:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 08:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:17 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 05:05 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Yes and no. It depends on your definition of under control. If your definition is: permanently taking extreme measures to instantly lockdown large swaths of the economy and restricting travel, then yes.

Except none of the countries that have it under control are looking at anything like "permanent lockdowns of large swathes of the economy" ... the social distancing measures go up and down in different cities depending on how long since their last case, but most of the Chinese economy is open, since China ramped up its testing and tracking capabilities during the lockdown.

Quote: What I’m saying is that for at least the next 1-2 years, but more than likely forever, this virus is here to stay. South Korea and Taiwan won’t be able to continue their containment forever, so it will eventually spread there as anywhere else.

All of the countries doing a better job of containing the epidemic than the US ... which is now basically all of the advanced industrial economies and most of the rapidly emerging economies ... are going to be having more economic activity than the US is going to be able to sustain as the epidemic starts to rage out of control in the states rushing to open without testing and tracking capabilities in place.

Quote: Control is a pointless term. It’s like saying that you’ve kept the tide from sweeping away your sandcastle by building a little wall made of sand.

This would sound a lot more plausible if the United States with 5% of the world's population did not have a quarter of the covid19 deaths. It's more like if you don't do a competent job of building your seawalls, you are going to face a lot more flooding at a very high tide than those on other parts of the coast who do a competent job of building their seawalls.

You are assuming China's reporting is accurate.

Which is like basing your facts on what you read in National Enquirer.

US death rate is 266 per million
Belgium 784 per million
Spain 588 per million
Italy 519 per million
UK 511 per million
France 409 per million

And without NY, NJ and CT, our death rate would be about half of that 266.

Alabama is way below the US average at 96 per million.

And without certain parts of those countries their #'s would be lower too. Thats a pretty dumb argument. "Well without this one part of the country (which is the financial capital of the western hemisphere) we would be doing so much better!"

You don't read well. We ARE doing so much better. And it would be massively better if not for the idiots in NY encouraging subway use and forcing nursing homes to take back Covid patients.

(05-18-2020 09:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 09:25 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 10:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 08:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:17 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Except none of the countries that have it under control are looking at anything like "permanent lockdowns of large swathes of the economy" ... the social distancing measures go up and down in different cities depending on how long since their last case, but most of the Chinese economy is open, since China ramped up its testing and tracking capabilities during the lockdown.


All of the countries doing a better job of containing the epidemic than the US ... which is now basically all of the advanced industrial economies and most of the rapidly emerging economies ... are going to be having more economic activity than the US is going to be able to sustain as the epidemic starts to rage out of control in the states rushing to open without testing and tracking capabilities in place.


This would sound a lot more plausible if the United States with 5% of the world's population did not have a quarter of the covid19 deaths. It's more like if you don't do a competent job of building your seawalls, you are going to face a lot more flooding at a very high tide than those on other parts of the coast who do a competent job of building their seawalls.

You are assuming China's reporting is accurate.

Which is like basing your facts on what you read in National Enquirer.

US death rate is 266 per million
Belgium 784 per million
Spain 588 per million
Italy 519 per million
UK 511 per million
France 409 per million

And without NY, NJ and CT, our death rate would be about half of that 266.

Alabama is way below the US average at 96 per million.

And without certain parts of those countries their #'s would be lower too. Thats a pretty dumb argument. "Well without this one part of the country (which is the financial capital of the western hemisphere) we would be doing so much better!"

You don't read well. We ARE doing so much better. And it would be massively better if not for the idiots in NY encouraging subway use and forcing nursing homes to take back Covid patients.

You don't comprehend well, if you remove certain cities from those countries their numbers would be lower too. It's not the idiots in NYC who are to blame it's the morons who don't/didn't take this seriously including the head idiot in the white house.