This is a pipe dream. The WAC will remain non-football.

(05-12-2020 01:45 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 12:55 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(05-11-2020 04:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  We

(05-11-2020 04:20 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-11-2020 02:45 PM)NoDak Wrote:  [quote='HyperDuke' pid='16813570' dateline='1589214856']
Eh, but Liberty's waiver created a precedent. Most schools just don't want to go Indy.

Pretty simple. Have eight schools declare FBS, declare as a group FBS conference, and it will receive needs.

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Except that a schedule with 7 transitioning teams doesn't qualify as an FBS schedule. You need IIRC 60% of your games agaisnt non-transitioning FBS schools. 12*.6 is 7.2, so you if you play 6 "transitioning FBS" conference mates, nobody's playing an FBS compliant schedule and everybody fails the transition.

You need to space it out--that's part of the reason that CUSA had Old Dominion and Charlotte enter in different years. (There it was about bowl qualification, but the same principle applies).

Eight or more eventual conference schools works if they all start together. Just play the other FBS conference for two games in the same transition year.. A achedule can be: made the NCAA honors for transition if they only play
In the group. You have just never seen it.

This is one of the few things I actually agree with you on. Assuming there are at least 8 schools with the means to go FBS, what's stopping a move in mass like this? The NCAA could try, but those schools also have to recognize that such a move would also include going to court (and spending more money there) over it. And I think the NCAA would ultimately lose.

Time for UC Davis, Cal Poly and Sac State to declare their FBS intentions publicly, right NoDak? No need to be so secretive. Put it out in the open.

It's all part of "The Plan".

(05-12-2020 03:00 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  This is a pipe dream. The WAC will remain non-football.

Yes - NMST will join the AAC as a great replacement for UConn. This school fits into the soon to be vacant UConn spot in the league with decent MBB and lousy FB.

(05-13-2020 07:55 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 03:00 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  This is a pipe dream. The WAC will remain non-football.

Yes - NMST will join the AAC as a great replacement for UConn. This school fits into the soon to be vacant UConn spot in the league with decent MBB and lousy FB.

And a big travel outlier for most of the league. Perfect!

Meanwhile, NMSU fans and boosters will publicly pine for a "return" to the MWC.

(05-13-2020 08:44 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 07:55 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 03:00 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  This is a pipe dream. The WAC will remain non-football.

Yes - NMST will join the AAC as a great replacement for UConn. This school fits into the soon to be vacant UConn spot in the league with decent MBB and lousy FB.

And a big travel outlier for most of the league. Perfect!

Meanwhile, NMSU fans and boosters will publicly pine for a "return" to the MWC.

And lower conference prestige and no chance for P6.

(05-13-2020 09:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:44 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 07:55 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 03:00 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  This is a pipe dream. The WAC will remain non-football.

Yes - NMST will join the AAC as a great replacement for UConn. This school fits into the soon to be vacant UConn spot in the league with decent MBB and lousy FB.

And a big travel outlier for most of the league. Perfect!

Meanwhile, NMSU fans and boosters will publicly pine for a "return" to the MWC.

And lower conference prestige and no chance for P6.

So trading off lower conference prestige for a much more appropriate time zone, and retaining the no change for P6 that members of the AAC and MWC both share.

(05-13-2020 09:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:44 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 07:55 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 03:00 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  This is a pipe dream. The WAC will remain non-football.

Yes - NMST will join the AAC as a great replacement for UConn. This school fits into the soon to be vacant UConn spot in the league with decent MBB and lousy FB.

And a big travel outlier for most of the league. Perfect!

Meanwhile, NMSU fans and boosters will publicly pine for a "return" to the MWC.

And lower conference prestige and no chance for P6.

I was joking about NMSU in the AAC, and doubled down on the joke imagining that NMSU "fans and boosters"--all 5 of them--would agitate to move to more regional, better-cultural-fit conference, UConn style.

JUst want to clear that up.

I *almost* went off, arguing that the chances of a UConn P5 invite from the Big East are not meaningfully different than the chances of a "P6" AAC.

But I don't think we need to argue about whether NMSU-in-the-AAC should move to the MWC.
I mean I guess we could, we're all on lockdown, but.,...

(05-13-2020 09:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I was joking about NMSU in the AAC, and doubled down on the joke imagining that NMSU "fans and boosters"--all 5 of them--would agitate to move to more regional, better-cultural-fit conference, UConn style.

Interesting comment. I've attended a NMSU @ Chicago St game and a St John's @ DePaul game in the past 18 months.

NMSU brought over 200 fans to Chicago St while St John's brought maybe 50 to DePaul.

With the St John's mod prancing around belittling NMSU's fan base -- here's a little experiment:
How does St John's attendance fare when they aren't hosting Big East teams and instead host a non-P6 schedule like what NMSU fans have to watch?

NMSU averaged 5906 in the latest D1 attendance report.

St John's that same year?
LoyolaMD - 4863
Bowling Green - 5174
UMES - 4727
Mount - 4928
Princeton - 10078
Wagner - 5602
SF Brooklyn - 5151
Sacred Heart - 5602

Average
NMSU - 5906
St Johns - 5765

In the interest of fairness, I could remove NMSU's 1 P6 home game (Wazzu) to eradicate P6 games completely from both teams schedules, but the gap would actually widen as NMSU's average increases to 5970.

Oof.

In the grand scheme of things both of those averages are pretty good considering the modern state of college athletics attendance trending downward. I would love for TXST to average close to 6k. I think TXST would have to make the NCAA tournament and then maybe the NEXT season would have a jump in attendance until we lose our first game and then all momentum would be lost until we get a nice streak going again. We have the most fickle fans.

(05-13-2020 10:22 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  [quote='johnbragg' pid='16816725' dateline='1589380409']
I was joking about NMSU in the AAC, and doubled down on the joke imagining that NMSU "fans and boosters"--all 5 of them--would agitate to move to more regional, better-cultural-fit conference, UConn style.

Interesting comment. I've attended a NMSU @ Chicago St game and a St John's @ DePaul game in the past 18 months.

NMSU brought over 200 fans to Chicago St while St John's brought maybe 50 to DePaul.

With the St John's mod prancing around belittling NMSU's fan base -- here's a little experiment:
How does St John's attendance fare when they aren't hosting Big East teams and instead host a non-P6 schedule like what NMSU fans have to watch?

NMSU averaged 5906 in the latest D1 attendance report.

St John's that same year?
LoyolaMD - 4863
Bowling Green - 5174
UMES - 4727
Mount - 4928
Princeton - 10078
Wagner - 5602
SF Brooklyn - 5151
Sacred Heart - 5602

Average
NMSU - 5906
St Johns - 5765

In the interest of fairness, I could remove NMSU's 1 P6 home game (Wazzu) to eradicate P6 games completely from both teams schedules, but the gap would actually widen as NMSU's average increases to 5970.

Oof.
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I assume you're talking basketball. Sorry but football drives the bus, and NMSU football leaves a lot to be desired.

(05-13-2020 10:22 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Average
NMSU - 5906
St Johns - 5765

In the interest of fairness, I could remove NMSU's 1 P6 home game (Wazzu) to eradicate P6 games completely from both teams schedules, but the gap would actually widen as NMSU's average increases to 5970.

Oof.

Carnesecca Arena in Queens seats 5600, NMSU plays in a 13k-seat arena.

(05-13-2020 10:42 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 10:22 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Average
NMSU - 5906
St Johns - 5765

In the interest of fairness, I could remove NMSU's 1 P6 home game (Wazzu) to eradicate P6 games completely from both teams schedules, but the gap would actually widen as NMSU's average increases to 5970.

Oof.

Carnesecca Arena in Queens seats 5600, NMSU plays in a 13k-seat arena.

I know. I checked before posting. St John's soldout just two of the Carnesecca games (Princeton was at MSG), so the aggregate impact is minimal and NMSU would still come out marginally ahead:

Quote:St John's that same year?
LoyolaMD - 4863
Bowling Green - 5174
UMES - 4727
Mount - 4928
Princeton - 10078
Wagner - 5602
SF Brooklyn - 5151
Sacred Heart - 5602

Regardless, the central point was to call out the SJU moderator's arrogance in belittling NMSU's fan base as "5 fans and boosters" when their basketball attendance is the same as St John's when not playing Big East teams.

(05-13-2020 10:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 10:42 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 10:22 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Average
NMSU - 5906
St Johns - 5765

In the interest of fairness, I could remove NMSU's 1 P6 home game (Wazzu) to eradicate P6 games completely from both teams schedules, but the gap would actually widen as NMSU's average increases to 5970.

Oof.

Carnesecca Arena in Queens seats 5600, NMSU plays in a 13k-seat arena.

I know. I checked before posting. St John's soldout just two of the Carnesecca games (Princeton was at MSG), so the aggregate impact is minimal and NMSU would still come out marginally ahead:

Quote:St John's that same year?
LoyolaMD - 4863
Bowling Green - 5174
UMES - 4727
Mount - 4928
Princeton - 10078
Wagner - 5602
SF Brooklyn - 5151
Sacred Heart - 5602

Regardless, the central point was to call out the SJU moderator's arrogance in belittling NMSU's fan base as "5 fans and boosters" when their basketball attendance is the same as St John's when not playing Big East teams.

I mean, I suppose you've made the point that the meat of NMSt's schedule looks a lot like the cherry-picked dregs of St John's buy games. Given that SJU averages over 9k a game while playing a chunk of their schedule in a 5600-seat gym, and drew over 10k against Princeton, there's likely a solid argument that the only thing keeping them from jumping into the top 30 in attendance is their insistence on bringing a certain number of the games to the kids on campus (which I agree with, btw).

(05-13-2020 11:23 AM)Bogg Wrote:  I mean, I suppose you've made the point that the meat of NMSt's schedule looks a lot like the cherry-picked dregs of St John's buy games. Given that SJU averages over 9k a game while playing a chunk of their schedule in a 5600-seat gym, and drew over 10k against Princeton, there's likely a solid argument that the only thing keeping them from jumping into the top 30 in attendance is their insistence on bringing a certain number of the games to the kids on campus (which I agree with, btw).

Majority of SJU's on-campus games that year fell 400-800 tickets short of a sellout in a small arena, so that argument doesn't hold much water. 5 of 7 fell short of capacity. It would different if SJU was unable to increase attendance due to capacity crowds, but that isn't the case.

SJU's on-campus attendance this year (and all non-P6 home games) was roughly 60% capacity with no games within 1500 of a sellout:
Mercer - 3354
CCSU - 3582
UNH - 3320
Vermont - 4052
Columbia - 3419
Wagner - 3253
Saint Peter's - 2845
Brown - 3147
Albany - 2963


SJU's 10078 against Princeton is impressive. So is NMSU's 11212 against Cal Baptist. That cuts both ways.

No matter how you slice it, NMSU and SJU draw the same when not hosting P6 opponents. A SJU fan has no room to denigrate NMSU to "all of 5 fans and boosters".

2019-2020 D1 Non-P6 Home attendance:
NMSU 6790
SJU 3326 (no games capped by capacity)

Every NMSU home game outdrew every St John's non-P6 home game. You can check for yourself:
https://redstormsports.com/sports/mens-b...le/2019-20
https://nmstatesports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

NMSU drew more against Northern New Mexico, Western New Mexico, Chicago St, Southern, & Arkansas-Pine Bluff than St John's drew in every non-P6 home game.

I understand Big East fans stick up for each other, but c'mon.

(05-13-2020 09:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:44 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 07:55 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 03:00 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  This is a pipe dream. The WAC will remain non-football.

Yes - NMST will join the AAC as a great replacement for UConn. This school fits into the soon to be vacant UConn spot in the league with decent MBB and lousy FB.

And a big travel outlier for most of the league. Perfect!

Meanwhile, NMSU fans and boosters will publicly pine for a "return" to the MWC.

And lower conference prestige and no chance for P6.

LOL. P6 is at least as much of a pipe dream as WAC football.

Isn’t the title of this thread: “NMSU AD on WAC FBS FB”? Why are we talking basketball?

(05-13-2020 10:30 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  In the grand scheme of things both of those averages are pretty good considering the modern state of college athletics attendance trending downward. I would love for TXST to average close to 6k. I think TXST would have to make the NCAA tournament and then maybe the NEXT season would have a jump in attendance until we lose our first game and then all momentum would be lost until we get a nice streak going again. We have the most fickle fans.

If they didnt break my heart so damn often.....

(05-13-2020 07:07 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  Isn’t the title of this thread: “NMSU AD on WAC FBS FB”? Why are we talking basketball?

Because it was hijacked by a fan of a school that doesn't have football!

(05-13-2020 08:10 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 07:07 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  Isn’t the title of this thread: “NMSU AD on WAC FBS FB”? Why are we talking basketball?

Because it was hijacked by a fan of a school that doesn't have football!

In fairness to the SJU guy, it was more me than him that took it off topic. But as the threadstarter, I’m cool with my threads taking whatever course they take. That’s the fun of message boards. If SMUstang wants to bark at others about what they’re allowed to discuss, he can start his own thread.