(05-07-2020 11:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 10:25 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 10:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And the video shows the black guy attacking the white guy and trying to take his shotgun. So good luck railroading whitey.

Black guy surrounded by 3 strange white dudes with guns.

Does he not have a claim to self defense?

How are the whites strange? I saw 1 white dude with a gun and the black guy tried to take his gun.

Dictionary definition of STRANGE

1.
unusual or surprising in a way that is unsettling or hard to understand.

2.
not previously visited, seen, or encountered; unfamiliar or alien.


The men were strange to the vicitm

Like some other cases with a national profile, this case will be over-charged and the defendants will beat the wrap because the prosecution will not be able to meet their burden based on the letter of the law. At best, this will met the negligence standard but not aggravated homicide. And once again, outsiders who were not in that court room or aware of the instructions to the jury advising of the State's burden will not understand how the results ended the way they will.

Wait, this happened 2 months ago, and there were no charges until the video appeared?

So now you have to assume the police are just pathetic. Either (A) they don't have evidence to convict these guys, but due to pressure, they now make the arrest, or (B) they didn't care about the death of this man until the video appeared. Either way, it's not a good look for the police.

(05-08-2020 08:16 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Wait, this happened 2 months ago, and there were no charges until the video appeared?

So now you have to assume the police are just pathetic. Either (A) they don't have evidence to convict these guys, but due to pressure, they now make the arrest, or (B) they didn't care about the death of this man until the video appeared. Either way, it's not a good look for the police.

I think the general belief people have is that since Gregory McMichael was former law enforcement who worked for the DA, they tried to quietly sweep this incident under the rug which is why once this video surfaced online, there was such a public outcry that there wasn't even an investigation into the incident let alone charges or a trial. Republican Governor Brian Kemp is now using state resources to investigate this case and is quoted saying "There will be justice served in this case."

This is the latest incident in a laundry list of complaints and inquiries into the Glynn County police department. In fact, police chief John Powell and other officers are currently facing criminal charges for an unrelated investigation into the departments drug unit. Republican Senator William Ligon has made a motion to vote to disband the department all together last March which has been delayed due to COVID-19.

(05-08-2020 08:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Like some other cases with a national profile, this case will be over-charged and the defendants will beat the wrap because the prosecution will not be able to meet their burden based on the letter of the law. At best, this will met the negligence standard but not aggravated homicide. And once again, outsiders who were not in that court room or aware of the instructions to the jury advising of the State's burden will not understand how the results ended the way they will.

I said the exact same thing to my wife last night.

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/opinion-a...TlY1h8bKP/

Torpy from the AJC on the killing. AJC tends to promote race baiting. Torpy, while liberal, is not a conformist and often irreverant. He's not a march in lockstep liberal. He has a pretty balanced piece.

"...Of the killing, Barnhill wrote, “Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”Aside from the racial issue here, the case smells like law enforcement initially trying to give one of their own a break....

J. Tom Morgan, former DeKalb County district attorney, said, “I cannot start an incident and escalate it to defend myself.” If you are trying to make a citizen’s arrest, the crime must have been committed in your presence, he said...."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-unarmed...d=70552216

Georgia doesn't have hate crime laws so that will not be factor in this present case.

The men were arrested and charged with felony murder and aggravated assault per the GBI director.

Based on past statements their defense will likely be citizens arrest and self defense

If I can have a gun and if someone reaches for it, I can blast them, then I've figured out a solution for my mother-in-law.

(05-08-2020 10:13 AM)fsquid Wrote:  If I can have a gun and if someone reaches for it, I can blast them, then I've figured out a solution for my mother-in-law.

I hope she's not black because then you are screwed. Biden will pronounce you guilty on the spot.

(05-08-2020 09:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 08:16 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Wait, this happened 2 months ago, and there were no charges until the video appeared?

So now you have to assume the police are just pathetic. Either (A) they don't have evidence to convict these guys, but due to pressure, they now make the arrest, or (B) they didn't care about the death of this man until the video appeared. Either way, it's not a good look for the police.

I think the general belief peoplehave is that since Gregory McMichael was former law enforcement who worked for the DA, they tried to quietly sweep this incident under the rug which is why once this video surfaced online, there was such a public outcry that there wasn't even an investigation into the incident let alone charges or a trial. Republican Governor Brian Kemp is now using state resources to investigate this case and is quoted saying "There will be justice served in this case."

This is the latest incident in a laundry list of complaints and inquiries into the Glynn County police department. In fact, police chief John Powell and other officers are currently facing criminal charges for an unrelated investigation into the departments drug unit. Republican Senator William Ligon has made a motion to vote to disband the department all together last March which has been delayed due to COVID-19.

What people?

My guess is this will come down to whether the jury believes Arbery tried to avoid the confrontation, as reports suggest.

Throw race out of the situation for a minute. Two guys with guns try to stop you. You turn around. They drive ahead and cut you off again. You can't be expected to avoid the conflict forever. In my eyes, you are now the one defending yourself, so you try to disarm you attackers. That should not be a green light for them to kill you.

(05-08-2020 10:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.ajc.com/news/local/opinion-a...TlY1h8bKP/

Torpy from the AJC on the killing. AJC tends to promote race baiting. Torpy, while liberal, is not a conformist and often irreverant. He's not a march in lockstep liberal. He has a pretty balanced piece.

"...Of the killing, Barnhill wrote, “Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”Aside from the racial issue here, the case smells like law enforcement initially trying to give one of their own a break....

J. Tom Morgan, former DeKalb County district attorney, said, “I cannot start an incident and escalate it to defend myself.” If you are trying to make a citizen’s arrest, the crime must have been committed in your presence, he said...."

This will be an interesting case. At what point does one person's right to self defense overrule another's. Obviously if you are breaking into someone's home you do not have a right to self defense because you are committing a crime. Were these fellas committing a crime by attempting to illegally detain the victim?

If I am out jogging or doing anything else minding my own business and a car chases me, blocks my path, and anyone gets out of the car with a gun not identifying themselves as law enforcement I am taking measures to defend myself. I don't care if they are black, white, brown or purple.

(05-08-2020 10:19 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 09:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 08:16 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Wait, this happened 2 months ago, and there were no charges until the video appeared?

So now you have to assume the police are just pathetic. Either (A) they don't have evidence to convict these guys, but due to pressure, they now make the arrest, or (B) they didn't care about the death of this man until the video appeared. Either way, it's not a good look for the police.

I think the general belief peoplehave is that since Gregory McMichael was former law enforcement who worked for the DA, they tried to quietly sweep this incident under the rug which is why once this video surfaced online, there was such a public outcry that there wasn't even an investigation into the incident let alone charges or a trial. Republican Governor Brian Kemp is now using state resources to investigate this case and is quoted saying "There will be justice served in this case."

This is the latest incident in a laundry list of complaints and inquiries into the Glynn County police department. In fact, police chief John Powell and other officers are currently facing criminal charges for an unrelated investigation into the departments drug unit. Republican Senator William Ligon has made a motion to vote to disband the department all together last March which has been delayed due to COVID-19.

What people?

The social media mob you guys always whine about

(05-08-2020 10:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 10:13 AM)fsquid Wrote:  If I can have a gun and if someone reaches for it, I can blast them, then I've figured out a solution for my mother-in-law.

I hope she's not black because then you are screwed. Biden will pronounce you guilty on the spot.

Biden would forget my name

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(05-08-2020 10:23 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 10:19 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 09:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 08:16 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Wait, this happened 2 months ago, and there were no charges until the video appeared?

So now you have to assume the police are just pathetic. Either (A) they don't have evidence to convict these guys, but due to pressure, they now make the arrest, or (B) they didn't care about the death of this man until the video appeared. Either way, it's not a good look for the police.

I think the general belief peoplehave is that since Gregory McMichael was former law enforcement who worked for the DA, they tried to quietly sweep this incident under the rug which is why once this video surfaced online, there was such a public outcry that there wasn't even an investigation into the incident let alone charges or a trial. Republican Governor Brian Kemp is now using state resources to investigate this case and is quoted saying "There will be justice served in this case."

This is the latest incident in a laundry list of complaints and inquiries into the Glynn County police department. In fact, police chief John Powell and other officers are currently facing criminal charges for an unrelated investigation into the departments drug unit. Republican Senator William Ligon has made a motion to vote to disband the department all together last March which has been delayed due to COVID-19.

What people?

The social media mob you guys always whine about

Oh, morons. Ok.

(05-08-2020 10:20 AM)Chappy Wrote:  My guess is this will come down to whether the jury believes Arbery tried to avoid the confrontation, as reports suggest.

Throw race out of the situation for a minute. Two guys with guns try to stop you. You turn around. They drive ahead and cut you off again. You can't be expected to avoid the conflict forever. In my eyes, you are now the one defending yourself, so you try to disarm you attackers. That should not be a green light for them to kill you.

That is where I am, plus they did not observe this guy breaking any laws.

(05-08-2020 10:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 10:13 AM)fsquid Wrote:  If I can have a gun and if someone reaches for it, I can blast them, then I've figured out a solution for my mother-in-law.

I hope she's not black because then you are screwed. Biden will pronounce you guilty on the spot.

Shere stupidity as usual.

(05-08-2020 10:13 AM)fsquid Wrote:  If I can have a gun and if someone reaches for it, I can blast them, then I've figured out a solution for my mother-in-law.

Don't you still have "stand your ground" in Florida? There you go. (This is not legal advice or advice on how to eliminate pesky in-laws)

In some ways its ironic this is happening during COVID lockdowns.

People dont like it when the goverment shuts down their businesses and tells them to not leave home

People also dont like it when random armed men chase them in cars and try to stop them in the middle of the street.

(05-08-2020 10:20 AM)Chappy Wrote:  My guess is this will come down to whether the jury believes Arbery tried to avoid the confrontation, as reports suggest.

Throw race out of the situation for a minute. Two guys with guns try to stop you. You turn around. They drive ahead and cut you off again. You can't be expected to avoid the conflict forever. In my eyes, you are now the one defending yourself, so you try to disarm you attackers. That should not be a green light for them to kill you.

My question is would a natural "fight or flight" response be enough to argue past the defendant's claim of self defense. It's unclear from the video whether Arbery lunged at McMichael before or after the first shot was fired at him, but the video does capture the struggle for the gun before the next two shots that killed Arbery were fired. You could argue they had no right to try to perform a citizens arrest, but pointing a loaded gun at someone for no reason also isn't a felony. To prosecute the McMichaels, wouldn't they need to be able to prove that the duo went after Arbery with the intent to kill him?