(05-07-2020 03:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Didn't that video just come out? Or was it available when this happened and was first investigated?

From what I read, the video wasn't publicly available at the time of the incident. I'm not sure if law enforcement was able to see the video during the initial stages of the investigation.

I read that the person filming was a neighbor of the McMicheal's who was also in pursuit of Ahmaud Arbery. I'm not sure how it got leaked, but it ended up in possession of a radio station who tweeted the video out.

(05-07-2020 01:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Everyone here should go to YouTube and search The Officer Tatum "Truth About Ahmaud Arbery and listen to a black man from the area discuss this case. He fills you in on the background information that is essential to understanding what happened. The address is too long for my window for me to link it effectively but it was sent to me by my oldest daughter who was educated in Brunswick.

As usual the comments from both left and right here are way off base, and if it reminded you of Vicki Lawrence's "The Nights the Lights Went Out in Georgia" then you are in a different universe from the reality.

Brandon Tatum hosts a right wing radio show in Arizona and lives no where near Brunswick, GA. He's a known provocateur and stirs up controversy and conspiracies to generate views and sell his products. Even in this video you're referencing, he is wearing an "Uncle Tom" shirt ironically. He is definitely not an unbiased source of news, and in the video, he provides no background information and only speculates and rants the entire video. The essential information lies in the police report, the 911 calls, and the video of the incident itself. You are very bold to dismiss the other posts on this thread with quotes from the police report and present this video as the only truth we need to know.

(05-07-2020 04:08 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 03:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Didn't that video just come out? Or was it available when this happened and was first investigated?

From what I read, the video wasn't publicly available at the time of the incident. I'm not sure if law enforcement was able to see the video during the initial stages of the investigation.

I read that the person filming was a neighbor of the McMicheal's who was also in pursuit of Ahmaud Arbery. I'm not sure how it got leaked, but it ended up in possession of a radio station who tweeted the video out.

So do we need a scoreboard like the Corona death one showing how many are killed by race of victim and killer. Is that what you are looking for?

I love Jekyll Island

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(05-07-2020 03:13 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 02:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The background came from my daughters friends in Brunswick.

Ahh, okay. See I thought it was Officer Tatum (aka not a real Officer) who was suppose to be providing the background. Guess I'll have to make due with your daughter's friends though.

Quote:The man who did the shooting was a former officer of the court.

So what? He's a former officer of the court. That doesn't give him any special rights. However, him being a former officer does speak to the fact that him and his son walked away scot-free from this whole incident.

Quote:He and his son found Arbrey casing a home 12 miles away from where Arbery lived.

Did they? You know this as fact? Please provide a source.

Quote:Georgia is an open carry state that permits citizens arrests. The man accosting Arbery only tried to detain him until called police arrived. Arbery ran at them, around the truck and tried to take the firearm away. He was subsequently shot.

Georgia's citizen's arrest law requires that the offender must have committed a crime in the presence of another person, or that person must have "immediate knowledge" of a crime that has taken place by the perpetrator. From what I've read and seen thus far, these qualifications were not met.

Quote:I cited that he was from the area because that's what my daughter conveyed and I didn't check out his location. That said the questions he raises are solid and valid in any case.

Got it, so your daughter passes around false information without verifying too. Like father, like daughter, I guess.

Quote:I'm willing to wait for the whole story to come out. Why aren't you?

You're right here. Perhaps I shouldn't have used "Murdered" in the thread title. I'll withhold my full judgement until all the facts come out and I'm not ruling out self defense. At this point, I'm mostly upset that Gregory and Travis McMichael haven't been apprehended at all already. There were in an altercation that left someone else bleeding out on the ground. From this vantage point, it looks like the local officers took the McMichael's word on what happened, declared it self defense, and then called it a day. I have a feeling that if this video never saw the light of day, nothing would have ever happened.

Yes the information on the 12 mile distance from the Arbery's home is accurate and yes they saw him scoping out a house, and followed him.

The false information claim is a bit over the top even for a putz.

And like with most things I'm fairly confident that in end I will be correct and you will be nowhere around to be accountable until the next story that fits your agenda pops up.

And regardless of what you claim Officer Tatum raised pertinent questions. Questions not being raised by those rushing to judgment in this thread. But hey, race baiting goes along with TDS and the whole corporate COVID19 screw up and provides a reasonable distancing for the MSM to keep from having to follow Fauci's duplicity, or complicity, depending on your point of view.

The oldest plotline out there was from Maoists in the mid 60's who funded the NAACP creating Hoover's interest. The idea was to destroy America from within by fanning the flames of racism. If not for the personal excesses of McCarthy we would still be ferreting out red seditionists and you dang sure wouldn't be operating on the internet.

But my confidence is that when the average American, regardless of race, finally figures out the manipulations being foist upon them they will seek their pound of flesh and spreading discourse will become justification for public ire once again.

The only ones spreading lies around here are people like you who try to steer a subject into divisiveness with nothing but supposition and conjecture. I leave your motive in posting and my motive in responding to the board to figure out.

(05-07-2020 04:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes the information on the 12 mile distance from the Arbery's home is accurate and yes they saw him scoping out a house, and followed him.

No source?

Got it.

Have a nice day.

(05-07-2020 04:46 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes the information on the 12 mile distance from the Arbery's home is accurate and yes they saw him scoping out a house, and followed him.

No source?

Got it.

Have a nice day.

You might want to check out One America News. It will be painful for you. Just saying. What's your source? The MSM 20 second cropped video? Thought so!

(05-07-2020 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:46 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes the information on the 12 mile distance from the Arbery's home is accurate and yes they saw him scoping out a house, and followed him.

No source?

Got it.

Have a nice day.

You might want to check out One America News. It will be painful for you. Just saying. What's your source? The MSM 20 second cropped video? Thought so!

That **** is as bad as the Young Turks. Not saying you ain't right but c'mon

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(05-07-2020 04:54 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:46 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes the information on the 12 mile distance from the Arbery's home is accurate and yes they saw him scoping out a house, and followed him.

No source?

Got it.

Have a nice day.

You might want to check out One America News. It will be painful for you. Just saying. What's your source? The MSM 20 second cropped video? Thought so!

That **** is as bad as the Young Turks. Not saying you ain't right but c'mon

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Their track record is a lot more accurate and pristine than CNN's, MSNBC's and Disney's ABC News. Do your homework when you make a claim. Flynn's going to be exonerated. That makes months of the coverage of three outlets bogus. The Russian collusion claims are bogus. The blind eye to Biden's sexual misdeeds, bogus! Fear of the Wall, bogus! And when all is said and done the cover up on COVID19 involvement by Fauci and others within government agencies who invested in what amounts to insider trading and manipulation on drug patents will be wholly absent, if not for OAN. Now again, what's your proof?

(05-07-2020 05:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:54 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:46 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes the information on the 12 mile distance from the Arbery's home is accurate and yes they saw him scoping out a house, and followed him.

No source?

Got it.

Have a nice day.

You might want to check out One America News. It will be painful for you. Just saying. What's your source? The MSM 20 second cropped video? Thought so!

That **** is as bad as the Young Turks. Not saying you ain't right but c'mon

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Their track record is a lot more accurate and pristine than CNN's, MSNBC's and Disney's ABC News. Do your homework when you make a claim.

I have its propaganda. It just reaffirms your bias

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(05-07-2020 04:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:08 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 03:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Didn't that video just come out? Or was it available when this happened and was first investigated?

From what I read, the video wasn't publicly available at the time of the incident. I'm not sure if law enforcement was able to see the video during the initial stages of the investigation.

I read that the person filming was a neighbor of the McMicheal's who was also in pursuit of Ahmaud Arbery. I'm not sure how it got leaked, but it ended up in possession of a radio station who tweeted the video out.

So do we need a scoreboard like the Corona death one showing how many are killed by race of victim and killer. Is that what you are looking for?

That would be particularly ugly when the white on black crime was compared to the black on white crime and both of those pale in comparison to the black on black crime.

He's pushing an old Maoist plot of subverting the U.S. by racial tension enhancement. That tells you what he is.

(05-07-2020 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:46 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes the information on the 12 mile distance from the Arbery's home is accurate and yes they saw him scoping out a house, and followed him.

No source?

Got it.

Have a nice day.

You might want to check out One America News. It will be painful for you. Just saying. What's your source? The MSM 20 second cropped video? Thought so!

You mean the "news" outlet that exists only to praise dear leader?

Just for ***** and giggles, I went on their website and did a search. Zero results.

https://www.oann.com/?s=arbery
https://www.oann.com/?s=Ahmaud

You're the one who made the claim big boy, so back it up or STFU. I'll gladly admit you were right if you have any evidence that the McMicheals witnessed Arbery scoping out houses 12 miles from his house.

(05-07-2020 05:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:08 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 03:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Didn't that video just come out? Or was it available when this happened and was first investigated?

From what I read, the video wasn't publicly available at the time of the incident. I'm not sure if law enforcement was able to see the video during the initial stages of the investigation.

I read that the person filming was a neighbor of the McMicheal's who was also in pursuit of Ahmaud Arbery. I'm not sure how it got leaked, but it ended up in possession of a radio station who tweeted the video out.

So do we need a scoreboard like the Corona death one showing how many are killed by race of victim and killer. Is that what you are looking for?

That would be particularly ugly when the white on black crime was compared to the black on white crime and both of those pale in comparison to the black on black crime.

He's pushing an old Maoist plot of subverting the U.S. by racial tension enhancement. That tells you what he is.

They never can answer me when I expose their faulty logic. Same thing with the Corona restrictions on freedom. I asked should blacks have their freedoms more severely limited if they are more susceptible. No answer.

I'll have an honest discussion on race with these loons when they are ready to be honest

The lawyer is me understands that it’s imperative to wait for GBI to finish their investigation before making a call. What the lawyer in me doesn’t get is why the local DA didn’t ask the AG’s office for help at the outset given the suspects’ local ties. That’s coming back to bite them in the ass.

(05-07-2020 05:12 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:46 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 04:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes the information on the 12 mile distance from the Arbery's home is accurate and yes they saw him scoping out a house, and followed him.

No source?

Got it.

Have a nice day.

You might want to check out One America News. It will be painful for you. Just saying. What's your source? The MSM 20 second cropped video? Thought so!

You mean the "news" outlet that exists only to praise dear leader?

Just for ***** and giggles, I went on their website and did a search. Zero results.

https://www.oann.com/?s=arbery
https://www.oann.com/?s=Ahmaud

You're the one who made the claim big boy, so back it up or STFU. I'll gladly admit you were right if you have any evidence that the McMicheals witnessed Arbery scoping out houses 12 miles from his house.

I couldn't pull any of the OANews stories off of Bing. I didn't feel like installing Google Chrome again. So I located a copy of the attending officers report:
http://list.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/...pdf#pasc=1

If this link fails you can acquire it from the NYTimes. I should think that for the average liberal that would be sufficient.

I was surprised to see that I knew the family of the first officer attending, but not the reporting officer.

The Zip Code of the shooter and the street Satilla Drive which is in Satilla Shores is South of the Sydney Lanier Bridge on the Jekyll Island / Colonel's Island side of the bridge. For those living in the area it is a 7 mile trip from Brunswick to Jekyll Island. Satilla Shores is closer to I95 on the road to Nahunta also on the South Side of the Bridge but about 5 miles farther from the bridge than Jekyll Island.

The victim's zip code was from an area just north of the bridge still in Brunswick proper, but in an area developed more recently and certainly closer to the bridge than downtown Brunswick. It might be fairer to say he was 10 miles from the scene of the shooting.

Where we come from a 10 mile jog across a major 4 lane bridge, and through a heavily travelled highway that transverses part of the marshes of Glynn County is called one helluva a jog.

The officers report indicates that the shooters claimed to have witnessed the victim on surveillance videos from their neighborhood and when they recognized him jogging on their street they pursued him for question pertaining to that matter.

You will note that none of this, although publicly available is explained on any of the news reports.

The rest you know.

What you couldn't know as I did having lived there for a decade and having had my wife work at Colonel's Island for SCM Chemicals is just how damned far apart those to areas are.

I was right that it was a middle class neighborhood and one that is loaded with more whites than blacks so the victim would stand out.

The rest I'll leave for the courts. Now if you ever tell me to STFU again I'll ban your ass. In fact if you ever tell anyone else that the same will happen. I don't lie and you called my daughter and me a liar and I'd be within my rights to nail you for that. This is your one pass. My daughter did find that video clip but she got her information from friends in Brunswick familiar with the details which the police report supports.

EDIT: The link gets you to the NYT shootings documents. You'll have to search for Arbery from there. Scroll down and read the officers narrative. The rest of the report has addresses witnesses, and there were a few, etc. You should find that the best source of information.

From a purely legal standpoint, did they have grounds to make a citizen's arrest? That point will be crucial.

The law I have seen sighted states that in order to have justification to make a citizen's arrest, you must have witnessed a crime or have knowledge of a crime being committed.

Based on the facts available they did not have this. They suspected him of being the burglar/robber they were looking for and they saw him "casing" a house but they didnt know for sure. They wanted the police to investigate and find out more but I dont belive that gives you the right as a citizen in Georgia to detain anyone.

As for his reaction, if I'm running and there is a stationary car in front of me and a car in motion behind me pursuing me and I see the strange to me individuals brandishing weapons I would be in complete cautionary survival mode. I dont know these people's intentions and they are clearly a threat to me as their weapons are meant to intimidate

Just got an alert that they were just arrested and charged for murder. Apparently social media outrage mobs dictate the law now. Bizarre.

(05-07-2020 02:03 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I have no idea what to think of this, but as a white man who could end up being the father of a half black child in the not too distant future stuff like this scares me.

If you teach the child to be scared, you put them at risk, especially with police. With police it doesn't matter what color you are, its yes sir, no sir. You do what they say and you get their ID to sue later if you need to. Mouth off or run and that's when you get in trouble. Its real simple.

(05-07-2020 07:28 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Just got an alert that they were just arrested and charged for murder. Apparently social media outrage mobs dictate the law now. Bizarre.

Sleepy Joe Biden has judged them guilty. So much for due process.

(05-07-2020 07:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 02:03 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I have no idea what to think of this, but as a white man who could end up being the father of a half black child in the not too distant future stuff like this scares me.

If you teach the child to be scared, you put them at risk, especially with police. With police it doesn't matter what color you are, its yes sir, no sir. You do what they say and you get their ID to sue later if you need to. Mouth off or run and that's when you get in trouble. Its real simple.

I had someone pull a weapon on me when I was 17. He was not white. I did not try to take it from him. I am typing this post.