Saw this gem on the NMSU board.
Forbes has never endorsed Jans, had nothing
to do with his name being in the talks.

If Forbes is Jans friend why would he recommend Jans for a lateral move and a step below a P5 program where Forbes is currently a coach? Some friend. Hey I know you are p5 material, you will probably be hired in a year or two for a 1,000,000 per year p5 job but instead why don't you take a step down to ETSU where you will have to prove yourself again and probably delay your p5 pay day by at least a year. Some friend. Just doesn't make sense.

(05-06-2020 09:53 AM)Buc76 Wrote:  Hopefully their are more qualified candidates than Jan's to compare with Shay.

Don't see hiring a coach that built his resume playing in one of the weakest conferences ( WAC ) in the country. Would anybody be satisfied with hiring the best coach from the asun? By the way, asun is higher ranked than the WAC.

If its between Jan's and Shay, ( surely it's not), then IMO, its Shay hands down.

I see no comparison with Shay's qualifications, except for Jan's head coaching position. But coaching at a very low level mid major doesn't warrant the job at one of the top mid major jobs in the country.

Jan's might have the most impressive resume for an ETSU coaching candidate ever. This isnt an endorsement for or against him but his resume makes him more of a candidate for the Wake Forest job than ETSU.

(05-06-2020 10:09 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 09:53 AM)Buc76 Wrote:  Hopefully their are more qualified candidates than Jan's to compare with Shay.

Don't see hiring a coach that built his resume playing in one of the weakest conferences ( WAC ) in the country. Would anybody be satisfied with hiring the best coach from the asun? By the way, asun is higher ranked than the WAC.

If its between Jan's and Shay, ( surely it's not), then IMO, its Shay hands down.

I see no comparison with Shay's qualifications, except for Jan's head coaching position. But coaching at a very low level mid major doesn't warrant the job at one of the top mid major jobs in the country.

Bad take, Jans can flat out coach, if he didn't go to the bar that night after a loss he would already be in a P5 job. So yeah if there was a coach of his caliber in the A-Sun I would take him. Forbes only head coaching experience was at the JUCO level.
If you don't like the hire that is fine but you need better reasons.

Not qualified... I can't even..

I have no iron in this pot but will offer a few opinions:

1) We're talking about a mid-major hire that comes down to three things - in house, unproven, outside/proven. Shay fits points 1/2, Jans hits No. 3.

2) Most of the mid-major conferences in the 9-15 RPI/Kenpom range are good because the bulk of their successful coaches are inbred. They know the nuances of the team/league they are hired into.

A program like ETSU is starting to look like SIU/NIU in the Mo-Valley in terms of being a consistent winner/contender, ditto Buffalo/Akron/Kent State in the Mid-American. These teams are almost always Top 3-4 teams in their one-bid leagues almost every year for the past decade or more. That's where ETSU seems to be right now.

3) I've seen Jans his one year in the MAC and have seen Groce (would not count him out) his years in the MAC/B10. IMO neither one is 'inbred' to the SoCon, short of the fact both have had mid-major success. Both are glad-handers full of coach-speak. Both can coach. Both have had 'issues'. Both have rebuilt programs.

4) Shay likely holds to team/players together but just because Forbes believes he can coach doesn't cover the whole issue. Can he control the lockerroom? Can he adapt. Will his point of emphasis (offense, defense, HS recruits/transfers Jucos) change the team dynamics.

Frankly, the x-and-o of coaching holds a lot less weight these days compared to the other stuff. And moving over one chair is a big move. That's the balancing act vs. Jans the president and AD have to figure out.

Frankly, like most MM programs, they want to make the next step up to being a consistent NCAA Tournament at-large team. To me, that means playing in a non-football league (A-10) where multiple teams are consistently at-large worthy, which means as a league the SoCon still has another step to take, and the the key is to sustain it. Less than a decade ago the Mo-Valley was the mid-major gold standard. Not now. It's the A-10 and top a lesser degree, the West Coast Conference.

But that's another conversation.

Little more baggage with Jans? One of his assistants was caught up in a corruption scandal at TCU..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lcsun-n...4434582002

(05-06-2020 10:55 AM)brock20 Wrote:  Jan's might have the most impressive resume for an ETSU coaching candidate ever. This isnt an endorsement for or against him but his resume makes him more of a candidate for the Wake Forest job than ETSU.

Bingo, as I said without the bar he would probably already be in P5 job.

(05-06-2020 12:13 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:55 AM)brock20 Wrote:  Jan's might have the most impressive resume for an ETSU coaching candidate ever. This isnt an endorsement for or against him but his resume makes him more of a candidate for the Wake Forest job than ETSU.

Bingo, as I said without the bar he would probably already be in P5 job.

Agree. The only time we have hired a coach that had previously been a successful D1 head coach was Les Robinson and Jans overall record is much better than Robinson. Yes we hired Bartow too but he had been fired from his previous job.

(05-06-2020 12:13 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:55 AM)brock20 Wrote:  Jan's might have the most impressive resume for an ETSU coaching candidate ever. This isnt an endorsement for or against him but his resume makes him more of a candidate for the Wake Forest job than ETSU.

Bingo, as I said without the bar he would probably already be in P5 job.

Which makes me wonder if it’s worth renting him for 1-2 seasons while he’s on the way to greater heights. Yes we’re a launching pad program but do we want to be going through this again almost immediately? Shay or Justus could have great success too and we might get better mileage out of them at a better price. Tough call for our admin.

So if they decide to hire Shay or go with the up and comer from Kentucky you just know
the NMSU board is going to be doing handstands, Yeah we knew he wouldn't leave us for
that little school, never a worry. And he totally deserves that extra 100-150K raise
that had nothing to do with ETSU.

(05-06-2020 12:51 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  So if they decide to hire Shay or go with the up and comer from Kentucky you just know
the NMSU board is going to be doing handstands, Yeah we knew he wouldn't leave us for
that little school, never a worry. And he totally deserves that extra 100-150K raise
that had nothing to do with ETSU.

Well since two can play that game yeah they are reading the board, not sure what they are reading, I haven't seen anybody bashing the city.
They are just saying the samethings about US we are saying about them.
To full of themselves, think more of their team then they should etc.
You know a typical fanbase. They do have one big jerk who lowers the intelligence on the board a lot only thing he seems to contribute is making up funny names for ETSU.

They dwell in the past even more than we do, probably 20 mentions Final Four and Sweet 16's while downplaying what we have done.

They also automatically dismiss any of the many many articles saying that ETSU is in fact a better job.
As I said they know what they know, don't bother them with Facts.

Can't wait to see the reaction to this post.

I would prefer Shay but I wouldn't mind getting Jans just to read the melt down.
I think it would be much worse then us losing Forbes.

Watching them go though the 5 stages of grief would be funny AF

(05-06-2020 09:19 AM)ncrrt08 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/1...3850311680

Evan Daniels thinks it's down to Shay, Jans and Justus.

I am good with any of those guys, but I really think that Shay is the man.

If those are the final 3 I am fine with any of them.
All seem to have a lot of upside. Just wish we didn't have to wait that
long.

[Mostly directed at the Aggie board...............]

There's a lot they're not getting right on that board. For one thing, they don't know that ETSU did, in fact, make the Sweet 16 in 1968. And this is not some Buccaneer-come-lately situation. This would have been our ELEVENTH visit to the Dance. No, that's not as many of NMSU, but it's nothing to sneeze at.

ETSU last *won* a game in the NCAA in 1992. NMSU only 1 year more recently, in 1993.

Since those victories, each year NMSU has made the tournament, their seeds have never been higher than 12th (with the exception of that first year afterwards, 1994, when it was 11th). ETSU's has never been higher than 13th. And while you can likely make the same claim.....we've been very clearly screwed in said seedings all along. This year ETSU would likely have been something like a 9-10 seed, if not conceivably better. The Aggies would likely not been seeded as highly - due to the WAC being so weak right now.

I've been knowledgeable about NMSU's hoops since they started making their splash in the late '60s. And a great splash it was. Good stuff. So I respect all that.

And I could go on..............but let me say this..................I loves me some N.M. I personally prefer the areas north of Albuquerque, especially the mountains, pueblos, the "Grand Circle" up around Taos, Red River, Eagle Lake, etc., but I also don't trash Las Cruces. And I'm a BIG fan of Hatch chilies. Try to get some each year however I can. That said..............clearly most of your posters have no idea what it's like in this beautiful place (and yes, I can fully appreciate the desert, too), and frankly are showing their ignorance. I know some of you all there know your stuff - but some clearly don't and it's reflecting poorly on your area. Just sayin'......

I read here daily, but don’t think I’ve ever posted because I’m more of a casual fan than someone who knows all the details and history than the rest of the posters here. I had one question that I haven’t seen discussed. Could this be less about Jans and Shay individually and more about the package including their staff? I know nothing about either guy than what I’ve read here. But didn’t all of Shay’s colleagues just head to WF? Wouldn’t that mean he’d have to build a new staff from scratch? Wouldn’t an advantage Jans would have would be bringing his staff with him? Could that tip the advantage to Jans?

Jans out. Pribably going to be Shay. Hope he can recruit well.

(05-06-2020 02:29 PM)etsuandpurdue3 Wrote:  Jans out. Pribably going to be Shay. Hope he can recruit well.

What happened?

(05-06-2020 02:29 PM)etsuandpurdue3 Wrote:  Jans out. Pribably going to be Shay. Hope he can recruit well.

If true let the celebration begin. Hatch Chili for everyone.
Guess they showed us hillbillies. Yea Haw.

https://twitter.com/coachchrisjans/statu...4658495488

And it's chile, not chili or chilie...

(05-06-2020 02:06 PM)Tonypitt Wrote:  I read here daily, but don’t think I’ve ever posted because I’m more of a casual fan than someone who knows all the details and history than the rest of the posters here. I had one question that I haven’t seen discussed. Could this be less about Jans and Shay individually and more about the package including their staff? I know nothing about either guy than what I’ve read here. But didn’t all of Shay’s colleagues just head to WF? Wouldn’t that mean he’d have to build a new staff from scratch? Wouldn’t an advantage Jans would have would be bringing his staff with him? Could that tip the advantage to Jans?

This is my worry with Shay, who will be his staff? Of course that would be the same question of a P5 assistant getting the job too. A current HC would most likely bring most if not all of his staff.

(05-06-2020 02:36 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  https://twitter.com/coachchrisjans/statu...4658495488

And it's chile, not chili or chilie...

Glad this is over. Make the announcement of Shay's hiring soon!

(05-06-2020 02:45 PM)etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 02:36 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  https://twitter.com/coachchrisjans/statu...4658495488

And it's chile, not chili or chilie...

Glad this is over. Make the announcement of Shay's hiring soon!

Are we sure it is Shay?

(05-06-2020 02:48 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 02:45 PM)etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 02:36 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  https://twitter.com/coachchrisjans/statu...4658495488

And it's chile, not chili or chilie...

Glad this is over. Make the announcement of Shay's hiring soon!

Are we sure it is Shay?

No but it should be