80 confirmed cases in Fayette County, 1 death. The horror!!!

Also, current count-

Memphis murders 90
Corona deaths 70

(05-12-2020 06:03 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  but 25% doesn't pass a bill, nor does it win an election, much less a revolution.

25% might not, but it doesn't take much more than that.

I've seen documents/writings stating popular support for the U.S. Revolution was roughly 31%.

(05-13-2020 07:32 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  80 confirmed cases in Fayette County, 1 death. The horror!!!

Also, current count-

Memphis murders 90
Corona deaths 70

Priorities!

Shut down the economy because, well, you know.

But those 90 homicide victims, well, they aren't important.

(05-12-2020 03:19 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 01:48 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 09:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Yeah, traffic was a pain in the tail today and lines everywhere.

Frankly, I was glad to see so many people without masks. This ain't China!


Based on what I saw today, the people have decided the quarantine is over.

Serious question....
Why would you be glad to see so many people without masks?

Would you similarly be glad to see foodservice workers handling raw chicken without gloves or people sneezing without covering their mouths?

I'm not talking about quarantines or anything else and certainly not about laws..... I'm simply talking about people doing you the common courtesy of 'controlling' their bodily fluids?

There are perhaps some legitimate reasons for your happiness, if you live in a very low contagion area of a state that had mandated masks or something... but if this is just a general comment, I'm confused as to why it would make you glad?

What would make ME glad is to see a lot of people voluntarily doing such simple and 'optional' things so that it (or worse, a lockdown) never needed to be mandated.

Because, personally -- and this is just my opinion -- I think the statistics are out of whack. The chance of getting the disease is low. The chance of having adverse effects from the disease is even lower. The change of death is even lower than those.

I live in Memphis/Shelby County. We're battling it out with Nashville/Davidson County to see who has the most cases. As of now they're ahead by 151 cases, 3,580 to 3,429. So we're not in an area with low confirmed cases. But, we're sitting at 0.35%. That's not even one-half of one percent of the population.

We don't shut down our economy for other diseases. We don't run around wearing masks for prior contagious diseases.

People can control their body fluids on their own.

Wash your hands. But prior to this outbreak people either washed their hands or they didn't We survived the chicken problem.

As it turns out, I'm a (somewhat compulsive) hand-washer. Always have been. To the point that my wife used to joke about it.

USED to joke about. Not any more. :D

I've always used napkins to pick up the salt/pepper shakers at restaurants and paper towels to open the bathroom door. Stupid McDonald's makes me use toilet paper.

I've always turned away and covered my mouth when I sneeze or cough.

But even though I routinely do those things, not everyone else did. And we survived as a society.

Masks are overkill. Or they may not be as effective as some think they are. There are many people who say masks exacerbate the problem while there are others who swear by them.

I went along with shutting everything down and doing the self-quarantine for a bit -- not because I agreed with it, though.

I agree with this statement 110%. I have from day 1 and always have supported the idea that people make individual choices and that what might be a good practice in NYC is not necessary in most of the rest of the country...

I just never understood the 'complaints' about people who choose to be 'cleaner'. Your wife joking, okay... but people calling other people out as 'sheep' or whatever?

Your asides (the chicken problem) aren't real good comparisons to flu-like diseases in terms of the way they spread, but the idea is not wrong. Note however how many laws we have regarding the handling of chicken. If everyone were as careful as you, would we need so many laws to accomplish the same outcomes? I realize these laws currently only really apply to producers, distributors and chefs and not the average person... but it seems self evident that if there were a 'raw chicken pandemic' that they would either remove all the chicken (a shut-down for our safety) or somehow seek to apply those laws to everyone... just like they did here. If however, nobody was really at risk because say 30% of the population was like you anyway (using napkins for public salt shakers) and another 40% would willingly do so if told there was an active issue... maybe they wouldn't need any laws about it in the first place.

Japan is just as crowded as we are, but didn't have to do nearly what we did. Lots of reasons for that... some we would never do... but among them is a social acceptance of, rather than ridicule of, people wearing masks or using napkins to hold salt shakers or technology making things like public restrooms and food service 'cleaner'. That is quite literally all I've ever suggested.... and even if it doesn't work, I fail to see how that would make someone 'compliant' or 'less interested in freedom' or whatever other childish bull**** some people want to sling.

(05-12-2020 07:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  That's the problem, they aren't going to keep us from shutting down. If anything they are liable to lead to more shutdowns in the future because the undeserved sense of safety people wearing them have causing them to be lax on other safety protocols that actually would keep us from being locked down again.

Besides, you and I both know that since the sheep went along so willingly and simply handed their rights away this time around, yourself included, there's going to be future lockdowns just like this regardless if you are wearing a mask that up until a couple weeks ago was a t-shirt you got from the Justin Bieber concert you went to two years ago or not.

If none of it matter, then what's the difference between me doing what I want, and you doing what you want? Isn't that your whole point? Individual liberty (though still under a government)? It certainly is mine. If the goal is to get out from underneath the government, well... I'd say that's much more worked up about it than I am.

I think I have a chance of turning some of that 40%.... because so many of them were hurt by this and won't want to see it again. You don't and that's fine. I've said 100 times, do what you want, and my only complaint has been about 'bullying' (or badmouthing or talking down to) people who choose to make a different decision from yours. How am I 'hurting' you? What's your alternative?

This WHOLE THING started because (I believe it was) Shere started talking about the precedent being set... and how wrong he thought that was, and I agreed, so I made a suggestion as to how to PERHAPS keep that from happening.

You guys talk about people like 'me' falling in line, yet you seem to be the ones accepting your fate (bitching about it, but not doing anything about it) or in some cases, crowing about some fantasy of armed revolution... or at least 'resistance'... which IMO, only makes the government want to come at you harder.

As I said, I don't see many more 'fight the system' candidates on the horizon.... but I DO see tons of 'expand the system' candidates. All I'm trying to do is offer a third option. Make the system less 'necessary' for the goals.

The idea that the government would ever just 'let herd immunity run its course' flies directly in the face of what we've seen... and what some very large portion of the community has accepted.

(04-22-2020 11:25 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(04-21-2020 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-21-2020 10:04 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  of course, Memphis & Nashville hospitals will now be taking an influx of cases from the rural counties when this thing spikes.

Really, despite the fact that about 20 percent of the counties in the country have no confirmed cases? I'm currently sitting in a state that never shut down. You know how many cases my rural county had? 2. 1 active and 1 cleared. How many of those cases needed hospitilization from a "big city"? ZERO. We never shut down, and we never overran the medical facilities anywhere.

The issue some states have had is when the residents of NY/NJ tried to escape the idiot leadership up there, and tried to leave their hotspot and go to an area/state that was still open. Sorry, you voted for that incompetant tyannical leadership, you need to live under it. This is the exact OPPOSITE of rural counties overrunning a city's hospital.

Congratulations - consider yourself very lucky that your particular location has had minimal cases. Tipton County currently has 83 cases, including an outbreak of 28 at the prison in Mason. Fayette has 20. Both of those counties' populations combined aren't even 1/5 of the population of the city of Memphis (not including Shelby County). Those are the two closest counties, and is with the stay at home order. There's no way those numbers won't increase if they fully re-open.

There's no reason to not keep the order in place at least until the absolute earliest expected date of the peak of cases - IIRC, that was mid-May, so 2-3 more weeks.

and who is to say we haven't already hit peak cases? Just because a random model from Vanderbilt says it will be another month? This is the fourth consecutive day where the new reported cases of COVID-19 are less than 50.

aaand now the jig is up on the Vanderbilt model too.

Quote:Vanderbilt University researchers now predict the coronavirus outbreak in Tennessee will plateau at its current level of about 300 hospitalizations — a massive decrease from a prior estimates of thousands — according to a revised model of the virus.

The shift, researchers say, is the result of statewide social distancing lowering the transmission rate of the virus faster than predicted in even their most optimistic scenarios. By staying at home to starve the virus, Tennesseans made a month of progress in less than a week, halting the outbreak before it could grow, they said.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...095013001/

(05-13-2020 10:16 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:25 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(04-21-2020 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-21-2020 10:04 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  of course, Memphis & Nashville hospitals will now be taking an influx of cases from the rural counties when this thing spikes.

Really, despite the fact that about 20 percent of the counties in the country have no confirmed cases? I'm currently sitting in a state that never shut down. You know how many cases my rural county had? 2. 1 active and 1 cleared. How many of those cases needed hospitilization from a "big city"? ZERO. We never shut down, and we never overran the medical facilities anywhere.

The issue some states have had is when the residents of NY/NJ tried to escape the idiot leadership up there, and tried to leave their hotspot and go to an area/state that was still open. Sorry, you voted for that incompetant tyannical leadership, you need to live under it. This is the exact OPPOSITE of rural counties overrunning a city's hospital.

Congratulations - consider yourself very lucky that your particular location has had minimal cases. Tipton County currently has 83 cases, including an outbreak of 28 at the prison in Mason. Fayette has 20. Both of those counties' populations combined aren't even 1/5 of the population of the city of Memphis (not including Shelby County). Those are the two closest counties, and is with the stay at home order. There's no way those numbers won't increase if they fully re-open.

There's no reason to not keep the order in place at least until the absolute earliest expected date of the peak of cases - IIRC, that was mid-May, so 2-3 more weeks.

and who is to say we haven't already hit peak cases? Just because a random model from Vanderbilt says it will be another month? This is the fourth consecutive day where the new reported cases of COVID-19 are less than 50.

aaand now the jig is up on the Vanderbilt model too.

Quote:Vanderbilt University researchers now predict the coronavirus outbreak in Tennessee will plateau at its current level of about 300 hospitalizations — a massive decrease from a prior estimates of thousands — according to a revised model of the virus.

The shift, researchers say, is the result of statewide social distancing lowering the transmission rate of the virus faster than predicted in even their most optimistic scenarios. By staying at home to starve the virus, Tennesseans made a month of progress in less than a week, halting the outbreak before it could grow, they said.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...095013001/

This is bull. The drop in cases is more likely due to the warmer weather.

(05-13-2020 10:21 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 10:16 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:25 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(04-21-2020 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Really, despite the fact that about 20 percent of the counties in the country have no confirmed cases? I'm currently sitting in a state that never shut down. You know how many cases my rural county had? 2. 1 active and 1 cleared. How many of those cases needed hospitilization from a "big city"? ZERO. We never shut down, and we never overran the medical facilities anywhere.

The issue some states have had is when the residents of NY/NJ tried to escape the idiot leadership up there, and tried to leave their hotspot and go to an area/state that was still open. Sorry, you voted for that incompetant tyannical leadership, you need to live under it. This is the exact OPPOSITE of rural counties overrunning a city's hospital.

Congratulations - consider yourself very lucky that your particular location has had minimal cases. Tipton County currently has 83 cases, including an outbreak of 28 at the prison in Mason. Fayette has 20. Both of those counties' populations combined aren't even 1/5 of the population of the city of Memphis (not including Shelby County). Those are the two closest counties, and is with the stay at home order. There's no way those numbers won't increase if they fully re-open.

There's no reason to not keep the order in place at least until the absolute earliest expected date of the peak of cases - IIRC, that was mid-May, so 2-3 more weeks.

and who is to say we haven't already hit peak cases? Just because a random model from Vanderbilt says it will be another month? This is the fourth consecutive day where the new reported cases of COVID-19 are less than 50.

aaand now the jig is up on the Vanderbilt model too.

Quote:Vanderbilt University researchers now predict the coronavirus outbreak in Tennessee will plateau at its current level of about 300 hospitalizations — a massive decrease from a prior estimates of thousands — according to a revised model of the virus.

The shift, researchers say, is the result of statewide social distancing lowering the transmission rate of the virus faster than predicted in even their most optimistic scenarios. By staying at home to starve the virus, Tennesseans made a month of progress in less than a week, halting the outbreak before it could grow, they said.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...095013001/

This is bull. The drop in cases is more likely due to the warmer weather.

anything to not admit their model was just flat out wrong. It's the same thing IHME keeps doing too, and keeps being wrong.

(05-13-2020 08:58 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 06:03 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  but 25% doesn't pass a bill, nor does it win an election, much less a revolution.

25% might not, but it doesn't take much more than that.

I've seen documents/writings stating popular support for the U.S. Revolution was roughly 31%.

How much of the domestic population was working 'for' the British monarchy at the time? Apples: boats

(05-13-2020 09:03 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 07:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  That's the problem, they aren't going to keep us from shutting down. If anything they are liable to lead to more shutdowns in the future because the undeserved sense of safety people wearing them have causing them to be lax on other safety protocols that actually would keep us from being locked down again.

Besides, you and I both know that since the sheep went along so willingly and simply handed their rights away this time around, yourself included, there's going to be future lockdowns just like this regardless if you are wearing a mask that up until a couple weeks ago was a t-shirt you got from the Justin Bieber concert you went to two years ago or not.

If none of it matter, then what's the difference between me doing what I want, and you doing what you want? Isn't that your whole point? Individual liberty (though still under a government)? It certainly is mine. If the goal is to get out from underneath the government, well... I'd say that's much more worked up about it than I am.

I think I have a chance of turning some of that 40%.... because so many of them were hurt by this and won't want to see it again. You don't and that's fine. I've said 100 times, do what you want, and my only complaint has been about 'bullying' (or badmouthing or talking down to) people who choose to make a different decision from yours. How am I 'hurting' you? What's your alternative?

This WHOLE THING started because (I believe it was) Shere started talking about the precedent being set... and how wrong he thought that was, and I agreed, so I made a suggestion as to how to PERHAPS keep that from happening.

You guys talk about people like 'me' falling in line, yet you seem to be the ones accepting your fate (bitching about it, but not doing anything about it) or in some cases, crowing about some fantasy of armed revolution... or at least 'resistance'... which IMO, only makes the government want to come at you harder.

As I said, I don't see many more 'fight the system' candidates on the horizon.... but I DO see tons of 'expand the system' candidates. All I'm trying to do is offer a third option. Make the system less 'necessary' for the goals.

The idea that the government would ever just 'let herd immunity run its course' flies directly in the face of what we've seen... and what some very large portion of the community has accepted.

LOL.

"I went along like the good little sheep that I am so that we don't do this again in the future"

And I'm doing plenty. Every single time I speak with a candidate running for office for everything from town council on up I ask the question what they are going to do to prevent the seizing of our rights like has happened here from happening again in the future. I've gone as far as to call a guy I have known all my life who serves as the state representative where I grew up to go remove the 4x8 sign I had allowed him to put on my property because he openly supports these transgressions against my rights. His opponent in the upcoming primary doesn't, and now his 4x8 sign is on my property, and when my uncle called and asked about why the signs changed and I explained it the current rep's signs aren't on any of his properties anymore either. The sad thing is that's all either of us can do since we live in other state house districts and can't vote against him.


But you continue your plan of thwarting the next attack on our rights by meekly going along with this attack on our rights. Just be sure to wear your meaningless mask. Just make sure that it's correctly designed.

https://news.utk.edu/2020/05/06/resume-on-campus-fall/

Here's the link on University of Tennessee.

Here's a link discussing other TN universities and their plans for the fall:
https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/educ...086948001/

And if Georgia Tech has an open date, article says Cumberland will be open in the fall!

Appears Middle Tennessee St announcing the same.

If I was a student enrolled in a California State school, I'd be transferring to Tennessee or Middle Tennessee St.

(05-13-2020 05:21 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Appears Middle Tennessee St announcing the same.

If I was a student enrolled in a California State school, I'd be transferring to Tennessee or Middle Tennessee St.

Memphis will be open, too.

(05-13-2020 08:59 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 07:32 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  80 confirmed cases in Fayette County, 1 death. The horror!!!

Also, current count-

Memphis murders 90
Corona deaths 70

Priorities!

Shut down the economy because, well, you know.

But those 90 homicide victims, well, they aren't important.

homicides are not viral...car wrecks are not viral...I don't see what's hard to understand.

we stayed inside and flattened the curve...go us!

(05-13-2020 08:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:59 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 07:32 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  80 confirmed cases in Fayette County, 1 death. The horror!!!

Also, current count-

Memphis murders 90
Corona deaths 70

Priorities!

Shut down the economy because, well, you know.

But those 90 homicide victims, well, they aren't important.

homicides are not viral...car wrecks are not viral...I don't see what's hard to understand.

we stayed inside and flattened the curve...go us!

definitely a flat iq curve

Not surprised you don't see what's hard to understand

Cant be too careful

Tennessee showing why it is one of the best states in my opinion in recent weeks.

(05-13-2020 08:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:59 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 07:32 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  80 confirmed cases in Fayette County, 1 death. The horror!!!

Also, current count-

Memphis murders 90
Corona deaths 70

Priorities!

Shut down the economy because, well, you know.

But those 90 homicide victims, well, they aren't important.

homicides are not viral...car wrecks are not viral...I don't see what's hard to understand.

we stayed inside and flattened the curve...go us!

Yet they still rank higher in sheer numbers.

So it's not technically saving human lives that the left advocates for.

#notAllLivesMatter

#justTheOnesPoliticallyExpedient

As someone posted, when did "flattening the curve" turn into "finding a cure."

The flawed IMHE model even said you didn't want to shut down too much. There was a really nasty spike in the fall with extreme shutdowns. Lesser shutdowns worked better even if they were a little worse in the spring.

(05-13-2020 02:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 09:03 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 07:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  That's the problem, they aren't going to keep us from shutting down. If anything they are liable to lead to more shutdowns in the future because the undeserved sense of safety people wearing them have causing them to be lax on other safety protocols that actually would keep us from being locked down again.

Besides, you and I both know that since the sheep went along so willingly and simply handed their rights away this time around, yourself included, there's going to be future lockdowns just like this regardless if you are wearing a mask that up until a couple weeks ago was a t-shirt you got from the Justin Bieber concert you went to two years ago or not.

If none of it matter, then what's the difference between me doing what I want, and you doing what you want? Isn't that your whole point? Individual liberty (though still under a government)? It certainly is mine. If the goal is to get out from underneath the government, well... I'd say that's much more worked up about it than I am.

I think I have a chance of turning some of that 40%.... because so many of them were hurt by this and won't want to see it again. You don't and that's fine. I've said 100 times, do what you want, and my only complaint has been about 'bullying' (or badmouthing or talking down to) people who choose to make a different decision from yours. How am I 'hurting' you? What's your alternative?

This WHOLE THING started because (I believe it was) Shere started talking about the precedent being set... and how wrong he thought that was, and I agreed, so I made a suggestion as to how to PERHAPS keep that from happening.

You guys talk about people like 'me' falling in line, yet you seem to be the ones accepting your fate (bitching about it, but not doing anything about it) or in some cases, crowing about some fantasy of armed revolution... or at least 'resistance'... which IMO, only makes the government want to come at you harder.

As I said, I don't see many more 'fight the system' candidates on the horizon.... but I DO see tons of 'expand the system' candidates. All I'm trying to do is offer a third option. Make the system less 'necessary' for the goals.

The idea that the government would ever just 'let herd immunity run its course' flies directly in the face of what we've seen... and what some very large portion of the community has accepted.

LOL.

"I went along like the good little sheep that I am so that we don't do this again in the future"

This is the sort of kindergarten playground bull**** that you guys keep resorting to the only thing that 'works me up'.

The fact that you have to create such a false position for me so that you can argue with that is honestly, stupid... and prior to this, I thought you guys were 'better' than the morons on the left.

Quote: And I'm doing plenty. Every single time I speak with a candidate running for office for everything from town council on up I ask the question what they are going to do to prevent the seizing of our rights like has happened here from happening again in the future. I've gone as far as to call a guy I have known all my life who serves as the state representative where I grew up to go remove the 4x8 sign I had allowed him to put on my property because he openly supports these transgressions against my rights. His opponent in the upcoming primary doesn't, and now his 4x8 sign is on my property, and when my uncle called and asked about why the signs changed and I explained it the current rep's signs aren't on any of his properties anymore either. The sad thing is that's all either of us can do since we live in other state house districts and can't vote against him.

Precisely why what you are doing is so pointless. More than half the country (and every district) WANTS more government... they just disagree on a few details.

Quote:But you continue your plan of thwarting the next attack on our rights by meekly going along with this attack on our rights. Just be sure to wear your meaningless mask. Just make sure that it's correctly designed.

Another completely ignorant representation of my position.

The fact that you so obviously repel 'smaller government' people like me just demonstrates how impotent your argument is. Yes, you may be able to get someone elected to your city council who will not follow the rules put forth by the broader population... but that broader population will simply start putting 'money' behind those incentives, or redraw your map to marginalize you.