(04-08-2020 12:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Crozier needed to be fired. No matter how good his intentions, his actions were a major violation of operations security (OPSEC), military discipline, and law (18 USC 793, inter alia). He deserves a court-martial, and pending that should have been relieved of command.

Damn Owl, I haven’t headed anyone else suggest that.

He's not wrong though. This guy's butt has been saved by the prevalence of social media. Just a decade or two ago he would have been in the poop sling.

It's amazing how different the opinion is here compared to elsewhere.

Everyone outside this forum seems to think that Captain Crozier is a hero. I don't think I've ever seen such uniform agreement on anything from all segments of the traditional media and social media. But that just seemed wrong to me.

I'm not a military or intelligence expert, so I'm glad that people on this board who are experts clarified that this wasn't a case where political concerns interfered with our military readiness.

(04-10-2020 01:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It's amazing how different the opinion is here compared to elsewhere.

Everyone outside this forum seems to think that Captain Crozier is a hero. I don't think I've ever seen such uniform agreement on anything from all segments of the traditional media and social media. But that just seemed wrong to me.

I'm not a military or intelligence expert, so I'm glad that people on this board who are experts clarified that this wasn't a case where political concerns interfered with our military readiness.

Imo, that's why this board has value...it's a potpourri of backgrounds...most are valid when their 'sandbox' comes into play...

(04-08-2020 12:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Crozier needed to be fired. No matter how good his intentions, his actions were a major violation of operations security (OPSEC), military discipline, and law (18 USC 793, inter alia). He deserves a court-martial, and pending that should have been relieved of command.

Damn Owl, I haven’t headed anyone else suggest that.

And you won't hear that opinion unless it's within the fringe, InfoWars segment. SMH.

(04-10-2020 01:38 PM)Wade Holt Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Crozier needed to be fired. No matter how good his intentions, his actions were a major violation of operations security (OPSEC), military discipline, and law (18 USC 793, inter alia). He deserves a court-martial, and pending that should have been relieved of command.

Damn Owl, I haven’t heard anyone else suggest that.

And you won't hear that opinion unless it's within the fringe, InfoWars segment. SMH.

And my guess is that you don't understand laws and regulations regarding operational security. Had I done what he did, I would have expected to be court-martialed and to do hard time in Leavenworth.

(04-10-2020 02:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 01:38 PM)Wade Holt Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Crozier needed to be fired. No matter how good his intentions, his actions were a major violation of operations security (OPSEC), military discipline, and law (18 USC 793, inter alia). He deserves a court-martial, and pending that should have been relieved of command.

Damn Owl, I haven’t heard anyone else suggest that.

And you won't hear that opinion unless it's within the fringe, InfoWars segment. SMH.

And my guess is that you don't understand laws and regulations regarding operational security. Had I done what he did, I would have expected to be court-martialed and to do hard time in Leavenworth.

Yeah, most don't understand that he actually got off light by just being relieved of command. He should be cooling his heels in a naval brig awaiting a court-martial.

(04-10-2020 01:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It's amazing how different the opinion is here compared to elsewhere.

Everyone outside this forum seems to think that Captain Crozier is a hero. I don't think I've ever seen such uniform agreement on anything from all segments of the traditional media and social media. But that just seemed wrong to me.

I'm not a military or intelligence expert, so I'm glad that people on this board who are experts clarified that this wasn't a case where political concerns interfered with our military readiness.

Yea, I've noticed that too. I had seen that before I even chimed in here a couple days ago or whenever it was.

I don't get it either, dude was CLEARLY out of line. No doubt about it.

My guess is it's simply another avenue for some to claim some sort of victim status for everyone who is supposed to follow the rules. Can't have that any more, we should all do whatever we want and then we'd have paradise on earth.

That and/or another "get the Drumpf" routine. Anything that makes something or someone near him or his Admin look bad must be a good thing, no matter what it is.

Who knows, it isn't based on anything they can point to. :shrug:

(04-10-2020 01:38 PM)Wade Holt Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Crozier needed to be fired. No matter how good his intentions, his actions were a major violation of operations security (OPSEC), military discipline, and law (18 USC 793, inter alia). He deserves a court-martial, and pending that should have been relieved of command.

Damn Owl, I haven’t headed anyone else suggest that.

And you won't hear that opinion unless it's within the fringe, InfoWars segment. SMH.

So, what other laws and regs should we just let people ignore?

I can go drive 85 through the school zone area, right?

If not, why not? Cause I didn't go to the Naval academy?

(04-07-2020 10:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 10:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  While I can understand the Captain's concerns for his crew the fact that he cc:'d people not involved in advancing to the next step in the chain of command is an unforgivable offense. Because he did so it got out in the media which compromised the safety of his ship and in turn compromised the national security of the country he was sworn to protect. Relieving him was the correct thing to do.

Bashing him on the way out was a dickish move and the acting SECNAV rightfully resigned over it. As a former naval officer himself he knew better.

Exactly right.

I’m honestly curious what prompted Modly to go off like that, in such a politically sensitive case. Somebody said to me today, “maybe he just doesn’t care about the politics of it.” If that’s true, all the more reason to get him out of that position.

Because he's an arrogant insensitive ahole with no people skills.

Nobody with any people skills goes and skewers a popular skipper in front of his crew. Even if he's not particularly popular you don't do it. Guy was incompetent.

And that doesn't even consider the politics of the whole thing. He was an idiot and unfit for duty.

(04-10-2020 02:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 01:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It's amazing how different the opinion is here compared to elsewhere.

Everyone outside this forum seems to think that Captain Crozier is a hero. I don't think I've ever seen such uniform agreement on anything from all segments of the traditional media and social media. But that just seemed wrong to me.

I'm not a military or intelligence expert, so I'm glad that people on this board who are experts clarified that this wasn't a case where political concerns interfered with our military readiness.

Yea, I've noticed that too. I had seen that before I even chimed in here a couple days ago or whenever it was.

I don't get it either, dude was CLEARLY out of line. No doubt about it.

My guess is it's simply another avenue for some to claim some sort of victim status for everyone who is supposed to follow the rules. Can't have that any more, we should all do whatever we want and then we'd have paradise on earth.

That and/or another "get the Drumpf" routine. Anything that makes something or someone near him or his Admin look bad must be a good thing, no matter what it is.

Who knows, it isn't based on anything they can point to. :shrug:

Its easy to understand when you think about the media's position. They love whistleblowers in general and they hate Trump in specific. Plus they are overblowing the threat the virus poses.

(04-10-2020 01:38 PM)Wade Holt Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Crozier needed to be fired. No matter how good his intentions, his actions were a major violation of operations security (OPSEC), military discipline, and law (18 USC 793, inter alia). He deserves a court-martial, and pending that should have been relieved of command.

Damn Owl, I haven’t headed anyone else suggest that.

And you won't hear that opinion unless it's within the fringe, InfoWars segment. SMH.

Owl cites the code that this Captain violated, and you call it a "fringe" opinion. Shake your head all you want, it doesn't make you any less of an idiot troll.