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(04-16-2020 11:08 AM)Big-Guy Wrote:  I just visited the AAC website and unless I am way off they are listing ODU as one of their football schools.

Don't do this to me bro

(04-16-2020 10:39 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 09:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Just a reminder, a few days ago Harry said the CAA is not an option. So please stop wasting bandwidth with that nonsense.

Dropping football to FCS is probably not an option. CAA in its current form is probably not an option. A lot of people are talking... who knows what sports end up where, with whom, and under what brand? CAA apparently developed a rainy day fund and are in good shape right now. They may be one of the few non-P5 conferences that survive, especially if there is no football season this year. Who knows what it will compose of. NCAA will likely be left no choice but to allow creation of new conferences with the AQ, but the CAA may be in a position of strength being an existing conference.

See post 83 and you will better understand what I mean.
https://csnbbs.com/post-16780734.html#pid16780734

(04-16-2020 08:58 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 08:52 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 08:48 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination by some with JMU. Adding another FBS school nearby is not going to help our recruiting and most of their sports are poorly attended and not very good year in and year out.

A close rival with a long history of heated competition in football and basketball. Quite a few students from Hampton Roads go there, and quite a few families have kids that went to both schools. Its a water cooler smack talk matchup. Plus I think there is the sense JMU is a snooty, privileged rich kid school, while ODU is a blue collar, hard working, scrappy underdog type. Sort of like the old UVA vs VT rivalry.

I understand those points and see some attraction, but we already play them in most sports. Not worth moving down to a terrible conference just to play one game a year in football or having them move up to FBS and compete in our already difficult recruiting territory.

I see this opinion quite a bit regarding the fact that we play so and so every year so we don't need to be in the same conference as them. To me, the rivalries are significantly watered down when you are not in the same conference.

I don't have a subscription so I can't post the link. Google it...

There is another Daily News Record article about the NCAA/G(oe)5 realignment.

JMU and the AD are so damn conservative there is no way the AD would speak out about hoping the NCAA and G5 conferences geo align if JMU would not make a move. Even the CAA commish talks about realignment in the article.

I don't get the JMU hate some of you have but whatever...there is no denying that JMU in a geo5 would day one have top facilities is all sports. Yes basketball has sucked for a long time (we beat ODU this year) but we just finished a $125M basketball coliseum and hired a new coach. Everything else is good to go day one.

JMU football attendance would be near top of the league day 1 and that is legacy playing fcs programs.

(04-16-2020 12:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 08:58 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 08:52 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 08:48 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination by some with JMU. Adding another FBS school nearby is not going to help our recruiting and most of their sports are poorly attended and not very good year in and year out.

A close rival with a long history of heated competition in football and basketball. Quite a few students from Hampton Roads go there, and quite a few families have kids that went to both schools. Its a water cooler smack talk matchup. Plus I think there is the sense JMU is a snooty, privileged rich kid school, while ODU is a blue collar, hard working, scrappy underdog type. Sort of like the old UVA vs VT rivalry.

I understand those points and see some attraction, but we already play them in most sports. Not worth moving down to a terrible conference just to play one game a year in football or having them move up to FBS and compete in our already difficult recruiting territory.

I see this opinion quite a bit regarding the fact that we play so and so every year so we don't need to be in the same conference as them. To me, the rivalries are significantly watered down when you are not in the same conference.

Especially when you aren't even playing for a potential at large. We have played only one meaningful game against VCU since we split. We won it and it wasn't enough, but it was the only regular season electric atmosphere game in this era.

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(04-16-2020 12:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 08:58 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 08:52 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 08:48 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination by some with JMU. Adding another FBS school nearby is not going to help our recruiting and most of their sports are poorly attended and not very good year in and year out.

A close rival with a long history of heated competition in football and basketball. Quite a few students from Hampton Roads go there, and quite a few families have kids that went to both schools. Its a water cooler smack talk matchup. Plus I think there is the sense JMU is a snooty, privileged rich kid school, while ODU is a blue collar, hard working, scrappy underdog type. Sort of like the old UVA vs VT rivalry.

I understand those points and see some attraction, but we already play them in most sports. Not worth moving down to a terrible conference just to play one game a year in football or having them move up to FBS and compete in our already difficult recruiting territory.

I see this opinion quite a bit regarding the fact that we play so and so every year so we don't need to be in the same conference as them. To me, the rivalries are significantly watered down when you are not in the same conference.

I would submit that if the rivalry is watered down without sharing a conference, then it's not much of a rivalry in the first place, they're just conference games with a little more emphasis. USC-Notre Dame, Army-Navy, Florida-FSU, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Texas-Oklahoma (pre-Big 12), Kansas-Missouri (post-Big 12), those rivalries sustain themselves no matter what. Obviously ODU-VCU will never reach those heights but if the only way they can gin up enthusiasm for playing each other is if they're in the same conference, then maybe they're not rivals after all and just are on the schedule because it's a quick road game. I don't think that's necessarily the case, but I do start to wonder.

(04-16-2020 08:48 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination by some with JMU. Adding another FBS school nearby is not going to help our recruiting and most of their sports are poorly attended and not very good year in and year out.

Huh?

(04-17-2020 02:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't have a subscription so I can't post the link. Google it...

There is another Daily News Record article about the NCAA/G(oe)5 realignment.

JMU and the AD are so damn conservative there is no way the AD would speak out about hoping the NCAA and G5 conferences geo align if JMU would not make a move. Even the CAA commish talks about realignment in the article.

I don't get the JMU hate some of you have but whatever...there is no denying that JMU in a geo5 would day one have top facilities is all sports. Yes basketball has sucked for a long time (we beat ODU this year) but we just finished a $125M basketball coliseum and hired a new coach. Everything else is good to go day one.

JMU football attendance would be near top of the league day 1 and that is legacy playing fcs programs.

ODU vs JMU in FBS would easily become a comparable in-state rivalry as VT vs UVA. It just makes sense. Similar to ODU vs vcu in basketball.

And we would own the rivalry just like VT owns UVA.

(04-18-2020 08:08 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-17-2020 02:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't have a subscription so I can't post the link. Google it...

There is another Daily News Record article about the NCAA/G(oe)5 realignment.

JMU and the AD are so damn conservative there is no way the AD would speak out about hoping the NCAA and G5 conferences geo align if JMU would not make a move. Even the CAA commish talks about realignment in the article.

I don't get the JMU hate some of you have but whatever...there is no denying that JMU in a geo5 would day one have top facilities is all sports. Yes basketball has sucked for a long time (we beat ODU this year) but we just finished a $125M basketball coliseum and hired a new coach. Everything else is good to go day one.

JMU football attendance would be near top of the league day 1 and that is legacy playing fcs programs.

ODU vs JMU in FBS would easily become a comparable in-state rivalry as VT vs UVA. It just makes sense. Similar to ODU vs vcu in basketball.

And we would own the rivalry just like VT owns UVA.

There was a time we owned the rivalry against VCU. And it wasn't too too long ago. I look forward to that day returning, but we have a lot of catching up to do as a result of "the streak" several years back.

(04-18-2020 08:08 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-17-2020 02:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't have a subscription so I can't post the link. Google it...

There is another Daily News Record article about the NCAA/G(oe)5 realignment.

JMU and the AD are so damn conservative there is no way the AD would speak out about hoping the NCAA and G5 conferences geo align if JMU would not make a move. Even the CAA commish talks about realignment in the article.

I don't get the JMU hate some of you have but whatever...there is no denying that JMU in a geo5 would day one have top facilities is all sports. Yes basketball has sucked for a long time (we beat ODU this year) but we just finished a $125M basketball coliseum and hired a new coach. Everything else is good to go day one.

JMU football attendance would be near top of the league day 1 and that is legacy playing fcs programs.

ODU vs JMU in FBS would easily become a comparable in-state rivalry as VT vs UVA. It just makes sense. Similar to ODU vs vcu in basketball.

And we would own the rivalry just like VT owns UVA.

So you are ok with your tailgate lots and your stadium turning purple?

(04-20-2020 07:16 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(04-18-2020 08:08 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-17-2020 02:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't have a subscription so I can't post the link. Google it...

There is another Daily News Record article about the NCAA/G(oe)5 realignment.

JMU and the AD are so damn conservative there is no way the AD would speak out about hoping the NCAA and G5 conferences geo align if JMU would not make a move. Even the CAA commish talks about realignment in the article.

I don't get the JMU hate some of you have but whatever...there is no denying that JMU in a geo5 would day one have top facilities is all sports. Yes basketball has sucked for a long time (we beat ODU this year) but we just finished a $125M basketball coliseum and hired a new coach. Everything else is good to go day one.

JMU football attendance would be near top of the league day 1 and that is legacy playing fcs programs.

ODU vs JMU in FBS would easily become a comparable in-state rivalry as VT vs UVA. It just makes sense. Similar to ODU vs vcu in basketball.

And we would own the rivalry just like VT owns UVA.

So you are ok with your tailgate lots and your stadium turning purple?

Why would they turn purple? They didn't before when the teams played.

(04-20-2020 07:16 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(04-18-2020 08:08 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-17-2020 02:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't have a subscription so I can't post the link. Google it...

There is another Daily News Record article about the NCAA/G(oe)5 realignment.

JMU and the AD are so damn conservative there is no way the AD would speak out about hoping the NCAA and G5 conferences geo align if JMU would not make a move. Even the CAA commish talks about realignment in the article.

I don't get the JMU hate some of you have but whatever...there is no denying that JMU in a geo5 would day one have top facilities is all sports. Yes basketball has sucked for a long time (we beat ODU this year) but we just finished a $125M basketball coliseum and hired a new coach. Everything else is good to go day one.

JMU football attendance would be near top of the league day 1 and that is legacy playing fcs programs.

ODU vs JMU in FBS would easily become a comparable in-state rivalry as VT vs UVA. It just makes sense. Similar to ODU vs vcu in basketball.

And we would own the rivalry just like VT owns UVA.

So you are ok with your tailgate lots and your stadium turning purple?

You guys went 13-1 and we went 1-11 last season, and you only had about 6k more fans in attendance. Think about that.

You guys can hang out in the north end zone like the rest of the visiting teams.

(04-21-2020 11:52 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 07:16 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(04-18-2020 08:08 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-17-2020 02:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't have a subscription so I can't post the link. Google it...

There is another Daily News Record article about the NCAA/G(oe)5 realignment.

JMU and the AD are so damn conservative there is no way the AD would speak out about hoping the NCAA and G5 conferences geo align if JMU would not make a move. Even the CAA commish talks about realignment in the article.

I don't get the JMU hate some of you have but whatever...there is no denying that JMU in a geo5 would day one have top facilities is all sports. Yes basketball has sucked for a long time (we beat ODU this year) but we just finished a $125M basketball coliseum and hired a new coach. Everything else is good to go day one.

JMU football attendance would be near top of the league day 1 and that is legacy playing fcs programs.

ODU vs JMU in FBS would easily become a comparable in-state rivalry as VT vs UVA. It just makes sense. Similar to ODU vs vcu in basketball.

And we would own the rivalry just like VT owns UVA.

So you are ok with your tailgate lots and your stadium turning purple?

You guys went 13-1 and we went 1-11 last season, and you only had about 6k more fans in attendance. Think about that.

You guys can hang out in the north end zone like the rest of the visiting teams.

Not to be accused of being JMU obsessed, but I do have a question regarding their football program. If Madison were to move up to FBS, I think their fans would support them in the nature they have become accustomed. At least until the FBS competitive reality sets in.

The difference I wonder about is in the roster. JMU has been a pretty good destination for FBS players to transfer too and play immediately. That little recruiting gem goes out the window if they move up, not to mention the financial considerations of 20 additional full scholarships. Just thinking out loud, but interesting in other opinions.

I'd love to be aligned with some AAC schools, such as ECU, Navy, Cincinnati, Memphis, Temple. However, for this I'll leave them out and create a conference that has some level of feasibility. The AAC schools are possible, but it's entirely dependent on a P5 shakeup.

App State
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
Ohio (They probably would not join this conference tho, so look at Georgia State, Georgia Southern, and JMU)
Old Dominion
UAB
WKU

Davidson (non-fb)
Dayton (non-fb)
George Mason (non-fb)
Richmond (non-fb)
VCU (non-fb)
William & Mary (non-fb)

This would be a super strong and fun league. We start with only 8 football members, and if something happens in a P5 shakeup we have room to grow with AAC defectors. I see a ton of importance in hoops, and any G5 league that doesn't include non-football members is just going to suck at basketball. I was careful to add football members that take pride in hoops. We can add a ton of value with non-fb members, and with my bias I added a bunch of Virginia schools. Other hoops schools worth considering are College of Charleston, George Washington, Rhode Island (iffy geography), and St. Joes.

i've been a fan of old dominion since 1976 and i often wondered what would be the perfect conference.here it is and i think it would work financially and in every way.north division-old dominion,james madison,liberty,marshall,western kentucky,vcu(all sports except football)south division-middle tennessee,charlotte,appalachain st,east carolina(i believe they would do it under this group),coastal carolina,davidson(non-football).i'm new to the forum let me know what you think.i'm curious.

(04-30-2020 10:44 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  i've been a fan of old dominion since 1976 and i often wondered what would be the perfect conference.here it is and i think it would work financially and in every way.north division-old dominion,james madison,liberty,marshall,western kentucky,vcu(all sports except football)south division-middle tennessee,charlotte,appalachain st,east carolina(i believe they would do it under this group),coastal carolina,davidson(non-football).i'm new to the forum let me know what you think.i'm curious.

Welcome to the boards jaybird!

I'm skeptical that we could pull any A10 or AAC team away without some shakeup in those leagues.

(04-24-2020 09:55 AM)Fatalisk Wrote:  I'd love to be aligned with some AAC schools, such as ECU, Navy, Cincinnati, Memphis, Temple. However, for this I'll leave them out and create a conference that has some level of feasibility. The AAC schools are possible, but it's entirely dependent on a P5 shakeup.

App State
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
Ohio (They probably would not join this conference tho, so look at Georgia State, Georgia Southern, and JMU)
Old Dominion
UAB
WKU

Davidson (non-fb)
Dayton (non-fb)
George Mason (non-fb)
Richmond (non-fb)
VCU (non-fb)
William & Mary (non-fb)

This would be a super strong and fun league. We start with only 8 football members, and if something happens in a P5 shakeup we have room to grow with AAC defectors. I see a ton of importance in hoops, and any G5 league that doesn't include non-football members is just going to suck at basketball. I was careful to add football members that take pride in hoops. We can add a ton of value with non-fb members, and with my bias I added a bunch of Virginia schools. Other hoops schools worth considering are College of Charleston, George Washington, Rhode Island (iffy geography), and St. Joes.

I would give my first born, if I had one, for that conference.

(05-01-2020 12:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 09:55 AM)Fatalisk Wrote:  I'd love to be aligned with some AAC schools, such as ECU, Navy, Cincinnati, Memphis, Temple. However, for this I'll leave them out and create a conference that has some level of feasibility. The AAC schools are possible, but it's entirely dependent on a P5 shakeup.

App State
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
Ohio (They probably would not join this conference tho, so look at Georgia State, Georgia Southern, and JMU)
Old Dominion
UAB
WKU

Davidson (non-fb)
Dayton (non-fb)
George Mason (non-fb)
Richmond (non-fb)
VCU (non-fb)
William & Mary (non-fb)

This would be a super strong and fun league. We start with only 8 football members, and if something happens in a P5 shakeup we have room to grow with AAC defectors. I see a ton of importance in hoops, and any G5 league that doesn't include non-football members is just going to suck at basketball. I was careful to add football members that take pride in hoops. We can add a ton of value with non-fb members, and with my bias I added a bunch of Virginia schools. Other hoops schools worth considering are College of Charleston, George Washington, Rhode Island (iffy geography), and St. Joes.

I would give my first born, if I had one, for that conference.

Richmond and W&M would have to be left out since they both have football.

(04-24-2020 09:55 AM)Fatalisk Wrote:  I'd love to be aligned with some AAC schools, such as ECU, Navy, Cincinnati, Memphis, Temple. However, for this I'll leave them out and create a conference that has some level of feasibility. The AAC schools are possible, but it's entirely dependent on a P5 shakeup.

App State
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
Ohio (They probably would not join this conference tho, so look at Georgia State, Georgia Southern, and JMU)
Old Dominion
UAB
WKU

Davidson (non-fb)
Dayton (non-fb)
George Mason (non-fb)
Richmond (non-fb)
VCU (non-fb)
William & Mary (non-fb)

This would be a super strong and fun league. We start with only 8 football members, and if something happens in a P5 shakeup we have room to grow with AAC defectors. I see a ton of importance in hoops, and any G5 league that doesn't include non-football members is just going to suck at basketball. I was careful to add football members that take pride in hoops. We can add a ton of value with non-fb members, and with my bias I added a bunch of Virginia schools. Other hoops schools worth considering are College of Charleston, George Washington, Rhode Island (iffy geography), and St. Joes.

Agree with you about Ohio; the only MAC school I see leaving for something other than the P5/AAC is Buffalo for an east-facing conference.

The tricky part is basketball. Dayton and Richmond want the Big East, Dayton and VCU might go for the AAC. But even if nobody leaves, the A10 would have to experience a cataclysmic rupturing for a lot of your wish-list schools to consider that conference. They'd have to be convinced that the new conference would position them on TV/streaming and in the NCAA tournament than the A10.

Now if for whatever reason the A10 split along north-south lines, like we keep imagining with CUSA on east-west lines, then that might clear the way (again, presuming that Dayton, VCU and/or Richmond aren't poached by the BE/AAC).

I think your best chance at fortifying basketball would be some combination of Charleston, Belmont, Murray State and Northern Kentucky. Not as glamorous as Dayton and VCU, but I think they'd all consider your league an upgrade from where they are now while also getting it closer to multi-bid status.