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Sadly this is not a problem that EMU typically has.

Even with those precautions I may purchase a season ticket if they are sold as a donation this year. Attending in person isn't happening. Yes it makes me sad and even worse I don't see a scenario where I will be attending men's hoops either.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/l...121905001/
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The second wave is going to render all this speculation moot, I'm afraid.
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(05-13-2020 05:58 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Sadly this is not a problem that EMU typically has.

Even with those precautions I may purchase a season ticket if they are sold as a donation this year. Attending in person isn't happening. Yes it makes me sad and even worse I don't see a scenario where I will be attending men's hoops either.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/l...121905001/

I want to see a plan to social distance at UofM's big house.

I'll give UofM free advice (no fee required):

If UofM students are tested at the beginning of the school year and on a 'rolling basis' throughout the year, I'd relax social distancing rules for them.

For the balance of the stadium, I might go with 20 - 25K, with masks, etc.

And exiting the stadium would be by row... (the ways planes should board and deplane: back of the cabin seated first and move forward to the front of the plane. For deplaning: the front of the cabin gets off first and the back last).

P.S. This is the way planes should board/deplane in good times and bad. Airlines do it ALL WRONG.
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(05-12-2020 07:45 PM)BroncoBen Wrote:  Maybe now, Eastern will pull off the ridiculous tarp on the East side (visitors side), to promote more social distancing!!!

Plenty of room even with it. They can't the railings aren't safe to use. There are 4 bathrooms as well.07-coffee3
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EMU FB season tickets are now on sale.

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(05-12-2020 04:53 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I have been opining to a great degree about whether or not EMU should play football. Dennis, I think we all would appreciate your perspective on this situation. I truly don't have a dog in this fight while you clearly do, if you disagree with my thoughts, please do not hesitate to let me know. Watcha thinkin?

I am torn. As a football fan and knowing how much football means to Alex and his teammates, I would love to see them play in the Fall, and play as much a full schedule as would be possible. Alex is on track to get some meaningful playtime this year. He had commented to me that he expected to see a lot of subbing in and out during games on the O-line this year. That makes sense...with the talent they have across the line this year, taking advantage of it to keep your line fresh through the fourth quarter would be huge. So anticipating a strong O-line performance for the coming season and expecting that Alex could be on the field a lot, I would hate to see the football season scaled back, or worse, canceled.

As a dad who has the best interest for his kids at heart, I am concerned about the prospect of Alex participating in a contact sport this Fall. Sweat, spit, blood, breathing in each other's faces, sharing water bottles, grabbing any old towel to wipe sweat off your face, grabbing another player's sweaty jersey, rolling on the field in a spot where another player recently spit out a mouthful of water...and I could go on and on...all add up to an incredible number of possible exposure points. And that's just in a game...one day a week. Add in daily practices and workouts, I don't see a realistic way to prevent these kids from being exposed.

You might be able to take over a dorm and make it athletes-only with tight restrictions on social distancing, controls in the cafeteria on what they eat, how it's prepared, served, and cleaned up after to minimize their day-to-day exposure to strangers. But if classes actually meet, boom...exposure opportunity. And if you are able to control what your players do during the week, you don't know what the guys across the line from you on Saturday did during the week. Again, possible exposure point. As a dad, this kind of thinking quickly becomes overwhelming.

I do hope they play. I hope they find ways to keep the players safe and minimize exposure. I hope they come up with a testing regimen that will quickly identify those with COVID. These are young guys in great physical condition. If they catch it, the odds are in their favor they will recover. But if one player catches it, as close as these guys are on a day-to-day basis, do you quarantine a whole team for 15 days? In-season, that's potentially two forfeited games.

Another concern I haven't seen mentioned (it may have been and I've missed it) is referee crews. Those guys and gals tend to be older, and very much part of the vulnerable population. How many 50+-year-old referees are going to want to wade into the environment I described above every week? How do we keep them safe?

Of course, this is all assuming they don't have a cure or vaccine by the Fall. By all accounts, that is unlikely, and just about any expert I've heard has said to expect this thing to start showing a comeback in the Fall if it does indeed subside in the warmth and humidity of the summer.
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(05-13-2020 03:26 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 04:53 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I have been opining to a great degree about whether or not EMU should play football. Dennis, I think we all would appreciate your perspective on this situation. I truly don't have a dog in this fight while you clearly do, if you disagree with my thoughts, please do not hesitate to let me know. Watcha thinkin?

I am torn. As a football fan and knowing how much football means to Alex and his teammates, I would love to see them play in the Fall, and play as much a full schedule as would be possible. Alex is on track to get some meaningful playtime this year. He had commented to me that he expected to see a lot of subbing in and out during games on the O-line this year. That makes sense...with the talent they have across the line this year, taking advantage of it to keep your line fresh through the fourth quarter would be huge. So anticipating a strong O-line performance for the coming season and expecting that Alex could be on the field a lot, I would hate to see the football season scaled back, or worse, canceled.

As a dad who has the best interest for his kids at heart, I am concerned about the prospect of Alex participating in a contact sport this Fall. Sweat, spit, blood, breathing in each other's faces, sharing water bottles, grabbing any old towel to wipe sweat off your face, grabbing another player's sweaty jersey, rolling on the field in a spot where another player recently spit out a mouthful of water...and I could go on and on...all add up to an incredible number of possible exposure points. And that's just in a game...one day a week. Add in daily practices and workouts, I don't see a realistic way to prevent these kids from being exposed.

You might be able to take over a dorm and make it athletes-only with tight restrictions on social distancing, controls in the cafeteria on what they eat, how it's prepared, served, and cleaned up after to minimize their day-to-day exposure to strangers. But if classes actually meet, boom...exposure opportunity. And if you are able to control what your players do during the week, you don't know what the guys across the line from you on Saturday did during the week. Again, possible exposure point. As a dad, this kind of thinking quickly becomes overwhelming.

I do hope they play. I hope they find ways to keep the players safe and minimize exposure. I hope they come up with a testing regimen that will quickly identify those with COVID. These are young guys in great physical condition. If they catch it, the odds are in their favor they will recover. But if one player catches it, as close as these guys are on a day-to-day basis, do you quarantine a whole team for 15 days? In-season, that's potentially two forfeited games.

Another concern I haven't seen mentioned (it may have been and I've missed it) is referee crews. Those guys and gals tend to be older, and very much part of the vulnerable population. How many 50+-year-old referees are going to want to wade into the environment I described above every week? How do we keep them safe?

Of course, this is all assuming they don't have a cure or vaccine by the Fall. By all accounts, that is unlikely, and just about any expert I've heard has said to expect this thing to start showing a comeback in the Fall if it does indeed subside in the warmth and humidity of the summer.

I deeply appreciate the post Sir. It has changed my perspective on the issue.
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(05-14-2020 05:49 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colum...187702002/


CSU (Schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, SDSU, etc.) are all G5 schools. That said, it would cause a lot of problems across conferences with conference and OOC scheduling.

Yet, the academic big boys are the UC system which have the heavy weights and TWO are in the Pac-12: UC-Berkeley and UCLA.

If the CSU schools don't play CFB this fall it certainly can mess up schedules. Quick glance CMU and TOL have games with UC-Davis and SDSU.

In the middle of this Wikipedia page is the list of CSU schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...University
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(05-14-2020 07:13 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 05:49 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colum...187702002/


CSU (Schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, SDSU, etc.) are all G5 schools. That said, it would cause a lot of problems across conferences with conference and OOC scheduling.

Yet, the academic big boys are the UC system which have the heavy weights and TWO are in the Pac-12: UC-Berkeley and UCLA.

If the CSU schools don't play CFB this fall it certainly can mess up schedules. Quick glance CMU and TOL have games with UC-Davis and SDSU.

In the middle of this Wikipedia page is the list of CSU schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...University

According to an article in the San Diego Union Tribune, SDSU AD David Wicker said that there will
be some students and faculty that can safely be on campus this Fall. They are looking at playing FB unless things really get bad. The Aztecs are looking at
having student-athletes back on campus by July 7, when the second Summer term starts. I personally
looked at CV numbers for San Diego County through
May 12. Morbidity and mortality rates are very low.
86% of the deaths(190/3.3 million ) were ages 60+ yrs. There were 2 deaths ages 0-29 yrs. That mortality rate is way below that of college students
(22.4/100,000).
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(05-14-2020 08:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:13 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 05:49 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colum...187702002/


CSU (Schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, SDSU, etc.) are all G5 schools. That said, it would cause a lot of problems across conferences with conference and OOC scheduling.

Yet, the academic big boys are the UC system which have the heavy weights and TWO are in the Pac-12: UC-Berkeley and UCLA.

If the CSU schools don't play CFB this fall it certainly can mess up schedules. Quick glance CMU and TOL have games with UC-Davis and SDSU.

In the middle of this Wikipedia page is the list of CSU schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...University

According to an article in the San Diego Union Tribune, SDSU AD David Wicker said that there will
be some students and faculty that can safely be on campus this Fall. They are looking at playing FB unless things really get bad. The Aztecs are looking at
having student-athletes back on campus by July 7, when the second Summer term starts. I personally
looked at CV numbers for San Diego County through
May 12. Morbidity and mortality rates are very low.
86% of the deaths(190/3.3 million ) were ages 60+ yrs. There were 2 deaths ages 0-29 yrs. That mortality rate is way below that of college students
(22.4/100,000).

So you are saying just the faculty, staff, custodians, administrators, coaching staffs, referees, etc. are susceptible? Cool, let's play football.
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(05-14-2020 02:28 PM)shankapotamus1 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 08:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:13 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 05:49 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colum...187702002/


CSU (Schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, SDSU, etc.) are all G5 schools. That said, it would cause a lot of problems across conferences with conference and OOC scheduling.

Yet, the academic big boys are the UC system which have the heavy weights and TWO are in the Pac-12: UC-Berkeley and UCLA.

If the CSU schools don't play CFB this fall it certainly can mess up schedules. Quick glance CMU and TOL have games with UC-Davis and SDSU.

In the middle of this Wikipedia page is the list of CSU schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...University

According to an article in the San Diego Union Tribune, SDSU AD David Wicker said that there will
be some students and faculty that can safely be on campus this Fall. They are looking at playing FB unless things really get bad. The Aztecs are looking at
having student-athletes back on campus by July 7, when the second Summer term starts. I personally
looked at CV numbers for San Diego County through
May 12. Morbidity and mortality rates are very low.
86% of the deaths(190/3.3 million ) were ages 60+ yrs. There were 2 deaths ages 0-29 yrs. That mortality rate is way below that of college students
(22.4/100,000).

So you are saying just the faculty, staff, custodians, administrators, coaching staffs, referees, etc. are susceptible? Cool, let's play football.

There is a long list of other things you need to look at along with the mortality rate. Patients who have recovered from the virus have permanent lung scarring, kidney issues, etc.. Sean Doolittle of the Washington Nationals has the best summary from an athletes perspective I've seen so far.

Link

And before anyone says it - he's made it clear he wants to play but also wants to make sure the league protects the players and employees before that can happen.
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(05-15-2020 07:52 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 02:28 PM)shankapotamus1 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 08:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:13 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 05:49 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colum...187702002/


CSU (Schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, SDSU, etc.) are all G5 schools. That said, it would cause a lot of problems across conferences with conference and OOC scheduling.

Yet, the academic big boys are the UC system which have the heavy weights and TWO are in the Pac-12: UC-Berkeley and UCLA.

If the CSU schools don't play CFB this fall it certainly can mess up schedules. Quick glance CMU and TOL have games with UC-Davis and SDSU.

In the middle of this Wikipedia page is the list of CSU schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...University

According to an article in the San Diego Union Tribune, SDSU AD David Wicker said that there will
be some students and faculty that can safely be on campus this Fall. They are looking at playing FB unless things really get bad. The Aztecs are looking at
having student-athletes back on campus by July 7, when the second Summer term starts. I personally
looked at CV numbers for San Diego County through
May 12. Morbidity and mortality rates are very low.
86% of the deaths(190/3.3 million ) were ages 60+ yrs. There were 2 deaths ages 0-29 yrs. That mortality rate is way below that of college students
(22.4/100,000).

So you are saying just the faculty, staff, custodians, administrators, coaching staffs, referees, etc. are susceptible? Cool, let's play football.

There is a long list of other things you need to look at along with the mortality rate. Patients who have recovered from the virus have permanent lung scarring, kidney issues, etc.. Sean Doolittle of the Washington Nationals has the best summary from an athletes perspective I've seen so far.

Link

And before anyone says it - he's made it clear he wants to play but also wants to make sure the league protects the players and employees before that can happen.

Excellent point.

Sometimes we hear of a car accident and the story is "Two people died and one injured, who is expected to recover. The injured was taken to XYZ hospital in critical condition."

End of story,

BUT that person who survives may have a multitude of injuries he or she may have to live with for a long time.

The question is quality of life. And ditto for some really bad cases of Covid-19 if someone is on oxygen for a long time or dialysis, etc. from kidney problems.
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(05-15-2020 08:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 07:52 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 02:28 PM)shankapotamus1 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 08:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:13 AM)emu steve Wrote:  CSU (Schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, SDSU, etc.) are all G5 schools. That said, it would cause a lotRe of problems across conferences with conference and OOC scheduling.

Yet, the academic big boys are the UC system which have the heavy weights and TWO are in the Pac-12: UC-Berkeley and UCLA.

If the CSU schools don't play CFB this fall it certainly can mess up schedules. Quick glance CMU and TOL have games with UC-Davis and SDSU.

In the middle of this Wikipedia page is the list of CSU schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...University

According to an article in the San Diego Union Tribune, SDSU AD David Wicker said that there will
be some students and faculty that can safely be on campus this Fall. They are looking at playing FB unless things really get bad. The Aztecs are looking at
having student-athletes back on campus by July 7, when the second Summer term starts. I personally
looked at CV numbers for San Diego County through
May 12. Morbidity and mortality rates are very low.
86% of the deaths(190/3.3 million ) were ages 60+ yrs. There were 2 deaths ages 0-29 yrs. That mortality rate is way below that of college students
(22.4/100,000).

So you are saying just the faculty, staff, custodians, administrators, coaching staffs, referees, etc. are susceptible? Cool, let's play football.

There is a long list of other things you need to look at along with the mortality rate. Patients who have recovered from the virus have permanent lung scarring, kidney issues, etc.. Sean Doolittle of the Washington Nationals has the best summary from an athletes perspective I've seen so far.

Link

And before anyone says it - he's made it clear he wants to play but also wants to make sure the league protects the players and employees before that can happen.

Excellent point.

Sometimes we hear of a car accident and the story is "Two people died and one injured, who is expected to recover. The injured was taken to XYZ hospital in critical condition."

End of story,

BUT that person who survives may have a multitude of injuries he or she may have to live with for a long time.

The question is quality of life. And ditto for some really bad cases of Covid-19 if someone is on oxygen for a long time or dialysis, etc. from kidney problems.

Reopening also is a question of quality of life. When does damage/risks of the cure start to exceed the probability of the disease and it's outcomes. And who do you want to make that assessment for you.
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I still say:

Plan on a season. See what happens with MLB this summer and act accordingly.
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(05-16-2020 05:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I still say:

Plan on a season. See what happens with MLB this summer and act accordingly.

Use common sense. PPE up. Take temp, get tested.
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(05-16-2020 03:05 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 08:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 07:52 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 02:28 PM)shankapotamus1 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 08:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  According to an article in the San Diego Union Tribune, SDSU AD David Wicker said that there will
be some students and faculty that can safely be on campus this Fall. They are looking at playing FB unless things really get bad. The Aztecs are looking at
having student-athletes back on campus by July 7, when the second Summer term starts. I personally
looked at CV numbers for San Diego County through
May 12. Morbidity and mortality rates are very low.
86% of the deaths(190/3.3 million ) were ages 60+ yrs. There were 2 deaths ages 0-29 yrs. That mortality rate is way below that of college students
(22.4/100,000).

So you are saying just the faculty, staff, custodians, administrators, coaching staffs, referees, etc. are susceptible? Cool, let's play football.

There is a long list of other things you need to look at along with the mortality rate. Patients who have recovered from the virus have permanent lung scarring, kidney issues, etc.. Sean Doolittle of the Washington Nationals has the best summary from an athletes perspective I've seen so far.

Link

And before anyone says it - he's made it clear he wants to play but also wants to make sure the league protects the players and employees before that can happen.

Excellent point.

Sometimes we hear of a car accident and the story is "Two people died and one injured, who is expected to recover. The injured was taken to XYZ hospital in critical condition."

End of story,

BUT that person who survives may have a multitude of injuries he or she may have to live with for a long time.

The question is quality of life. And ditto for some really bad cases of Covid-19 if someone is on oxygen for a long time or dialysis, etc. from kidney problems.

Reopening also is a question of quality of life. When does damage/risks of the cure start to exceed the probability of the disease and it's outcomes. And who do you want to make that assessment for you.

Cogent posts all.
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(05-16-2020 06:10 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-16-2020 05:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I still say:

Plan on a season. See what happens with MLB this summer and act accordingly.

Use common sense. PPE up. Take temp, get tested.
CAN'T GET tested unless you show symptoms! To suggest that the elderly, sick and the disabled are expendable for sake of opening the country is nothing short of genocide!07-coffee3
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(05-15-2020 08:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 07:52 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 02:28 PM)shankapotamus1 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 08:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:13 AM)emu steve Wrote:  CSU (Schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, SDSU, etc.) are all G5 schools. That said, it would cause a lot of problems across conferences with conference and OOC scheduling.

Yet, the academic big boys are the UC system which have the heavy weights and TWO are in the Pac-12: UC-Berkeley and UCLA.

If the CSU schools don't play CFB this fall it certainly can mess up schedules. Quick glance CMU and TOL have games with UC-Davis and SDSU.

In the middle of this Wikipedia page is the list of CSU schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...University

According to an article in the San Diego Union Tribune, SDSU AD David Wicker said that there will
be some students and faculty that can safely be on campus this Fall. They are looking at playing FB unless things really get bad. The Aztecs are looking at
having student-athletes back on campus by July 7, when the second Summer term starts. I personally
looked at CV numbers for San Diego County through
May 12. Morbidity and mortality rates are very low.
86% of the deaths(190/3.3 million ) were ages 60+ yrs. There were 2 deaths ages 0-29 yrs. That mortality rate is way below that of college students
(22.4/100,000).

So you are saying just the faculty, staff, custodians, administrators, coaching staffs, referees, etc. are susceptible? Cool, let's play football.

There is a long list of other things you need to look at along with the mortality rate. Patients who have recovered from the virus have permanent lung scarring, kidney issues, etc.. Sean Doolittle of the Washington Nationals has the best summary from an athletes perspective I've seen so far.

Link

And before anyone says it - he's made it clear he wants to play but also wants to make sure the league protects the players and employees before that can happen.

Excellent point.

Sometimes we hear of a car accident and the story is "Two people died and one injured, who is expected to recover. The injured was taken to XYZ hospital in critical condition."

End of story,

BUT that person who survives may have a multitude of injuries he or she may have to live with for a long time.

The question is quality of life. And ditto for some really bad cases of Covid-19 if someone is on oxygen for a long time or dialysis, etc. from kidney problems.

To suggest that the elderly, sick and the disabled are expendable for sake of opening the country is nothing short of genocide!05-mafia We heard that in Nazi Germany in the 1930s! 05-nono
05-16-2020 07:20 PM
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RE: 2020 Football Season in question
(05-16-2020 07:20 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 08:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 07:52 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 02:28 PM)shankapotamus1 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 08:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  According to an article in the San Diego Union Tribune, SDSU AD David Wicker said that there will
be some students and faculty that can safely be on campus this Fall. They are looking at playing FB unless things really get bad. The Aztecs are looking at
having student-athletes back on campus by July 7, when the second Summer term starts. I personally
looked at CV numbers for San Diego County through
May 12. Morbidity and mortality rates are very low.
86% of the deaths(190/3.3 million ) were ages 60+ yrs. There were 2 deaths ages 0-29 yrs. That mortality rate is way below that of college students
(22.4/100,000).

So you are saying just the faculty, staff, custodians, administrators, coaching staffs, referees, etc. are susceptible? Cool, let's play football.

There is a long list of other things you need to look at along with the mortality rate. Patients who have recovered from the virus have permanent lung scarring, kidney issues, etc.. Sean Doolittle of the Washington Nationals has the best summary from an athletes perspective I've seen so far.

Link

And before anyone says it - he's made it clear he wants to play but also wants to make sure the league protects the players and employees before that can happen.

Excellent point.

Sometimes we hear of a car accident and the story is "Two people died and one injured, who is expected to recover. The injured was taken to XYZ hospital in critical condition."

End of story,

BUT that person who survives may have a multitude of injuries he or she may have to live with for a long time.

The question is quality of life. And ditto for some really bad cases of Covid-19 if someone is on oxygen for a long time or dialysis, etc. from kidney problems.

To suggest that the elderly, sick and the disabled are expendable for sake of opening the country is nothing short of genocide!05-mafia We heard that in Nazi Germany in the 1930s! 05-nono

NO ONE is suggesting anything of the sort.
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