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Gosh darn, thought that call was just for me. Don't feel it was too stiff or canned; needed to reach out to a large audience, so vanilla approach was OK to me. Was appreciative of the fact that the initiative was taken.
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Bourne's dialogue that was emailed out today was interesting. Titled the "right fit" but seemed to spend more time talking about what made the JMU job attractive to coaches than what made the committee decide Byington was the right coach.

Appreciated the communication, just thought he could have spent some time on how they evaluated things, and what they keyed on with MB.
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You mean the call wasn’t unique to me either? He almost had me convinced to buy season tickets again despite his bosses. Bummer... lift me up and then bring me crashing back down.
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(03-27-2020 05:02 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Bourne's dialogue that was emailed out today was interesting. Titled the "right fit" but seemed to spend more time talking about what made the JMU job attractive to coaches than what made the committee decide Byington was the right coach.

Appreciated the communication, just thought he could have spent some time on how they evaluated things, and what they keyed on with MB.

To me it came across as a transparent attempt to justify why they didn't hire a more experienced/more accomplished/more costly candidate. For every box he checked (being from VA, played in the CAA, etc) it overcame boxes he didn't (conf championships, NCAAs, etc). Coach B could very well be a great decision, I think he could get this program to .500 in the CAA blindfolded. But they still seem to place way too much importance on being familiar and local. And affordable. Hoping this time it pays off.
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(03-27-2020 08:18 PM)2Buck Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 05:02 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Bourne's dialogue that was emailed out today was interesting. Titled the "right fit" but seemed to spend more time talking about what made the JMU job attractive to coaches than what made the committee decide Byington was the right coach.

Appreciated the communication, just thought he could have spent some time on how they evaluated things, and what they keyed on with MB.

To me it came across as a transparent attempt to justify why they didn't hire a more experienced/more accomplished/more costly candidate. For every box he checked (being from VA, played in the CAA, etc) it overcame boxes he didn't (conf championships, NCAAs, etc). Coach B could very well be a great decision, I think he could get this program to .500 in the CAA blindfolded. But they still seem to place way too much importance on being familiar and local. And affordable. Hoping this time it pays off.

Agreed. I'd prefer the opposite. Turn our program around in short order and then have a frank discussion w/ the admin. Just tell them this is as good as it can get, if we stay in the CAA. The culture thing is a bit overblown. Let the coach be an individual as long as he's not a jacka*s, doesn't cheat and graduates his players.
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The “culture” aspect runs deep at JMU, and is not just restricted to decision making impacting varsity athletics. It (the “JMU way”) has its place, but very often it interferes in advancing the institution’s best interests. That’s just my prospective from within the belly of the beast. It’s a sign of institutional immaturity IMO, yet it is a weakness that may (over time) be overcome. Rather like a young adult learning to live away from the security of home and take the risks necessary to realize their full potential.
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(03-27-2020 05:02 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Bourne's dialogue that was emailed out today was interesting. Titled the "right fit" but seemed to spend more time talking about what made the JMU job attractive to coaches than what made the committee decide Byington was the right coach.

Appreciated the communication, just thought he could have spent some time on how they evaluated things, and what they keyed on with MB.
When I saw the title I thought it was going to be about conference realignment. Alas...*Sigh*
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(03-27-2020 11:23 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  It’s a sign of institutional immaturity.

I understand this and agree completely.
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(03-27-2020 11:23 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  The “culture” aspect runs deep at JMU, and is not just restricted to decision making impacting varsity athletics. It (the “JMU way”) has its place, but very often it interferes in advancing the institution’s best interests. That’s just my prospective from within the belly of the beast. It’s a sign of institutional immaturity IMO, yet it is a weakness that may (over time) be overcome. Rather like a young adult learning to live away from the security of home and take the risks necessary to realize their full potential.

Well put...bravo. We need new blood at JMU. Is this correct, the JMU way is to hire the next in line (institution incest)?
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Some of you act like the JMU way is a bad thing. It interesting to me that JMU is among the most popular schools in Virginia yet some of you don’t care for the JMU way.

I am incredibly proud to be a JMU grad. I love everything that is JMU. I struggle to understand why some of you are so critical of JMU. I have traveled to a lot of college campuses through the years. Many of them are really nice yet I have yet to visit one that measures up to JMU. JMU is incredibly special and the administration that some of you love to criticize made the campus what it is today and what it has been over the last 20+ years.

I understand that we should always strive for more. I am all for making great even greater. When people criticize something that is in and of itself an amazing thing, I just scratch my head and think that some folks just can’t be satisfied.

JMU is not perfect my friends but it is in the neighborhood.
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GSU looks set to hire Brian Burg from ncaa tourney runner up Texas Tech.
Will be interesting to see how they fare next year.

https://www.wsav.com/sports/report-georg...all-coach/
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(03-28-2020 08:22 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Some of you act like the JMU way is a bad thing. It interesting to me that JMU is among the most popular schools in Virginia yet some of you don’t care for the JMU way.

I am incredibly proud to be a JMU grad. I love everything that is JMU. I struggle to understand why some of you are so critical of JMU. I have traveled to a lot of college campuses through the years. Many of them are really nice yet I have yet to visit one that measures up to JMU. JMU is incredibly special and the administration that some of you love to criticize made the campus what it is today and what it has been over the last 20+ years.

I understand that we should always strive for more. I am all for making great even greater. When people criticize something that is in and of itself an amazing thing, I just scratch my head and think that some folks just can’t be satisfied.

JMU is not perfect my friends but it is in the neighborhood.

Thank you proving my point.

Your knee jerk reaction rushing to defend JMU’s modus operandi is exactly the kind of myopic/blinkered thinking that is the institutional immaturity I was pointing out, and that must be overcome for JMU to become even better than it already is. It’s not about being “satisfied”...it’s about challenging ourselves to be better. Hiring and promoting from within, or thinking that the “JMU way” is beyond reproach is silly talk.
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Hard to ignore that the current JMU way has yielded some pretty special moments and results. When you watch how well JMU came across over the course of a few days (twice) for example during College Gameday it’s hard not to come away saying- geez they’re doing something really right.
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(03-28-2020 09:01 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 08:22 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Some of you act like the JMU way is a bad thing. It interesting to me that JMU is among the most popular schools in Virginia yet some of you don’t care for the JMU way.

I am incredibly proud to be a JMU grad. I love everything that is JMU. I struggle to understand why some of you are so critical of JMU. I have traveled to a lot of college campuses through the years. Many of them are really nice yet I have yet to visit one that measures up to JMU. JMU is incredibly special and the administration that some of you love to criticize made the campus what it is today and what it has been over the last 20+ years.

I understand that we should always strive for more. I am all for making great even greater. When people criticize something that is in and of itself an amazing thing, I just scratch my head and think that some folks just can’t be satisfied.

JMU is not perfect my friends but it is in the neighborhood.

Thank you proving my point.

Your knee jerk reaction rushing to defend JMU’s modus operandi is exactly the kind of myopic/blinkered thinking that is the institutional immaturity I was pointing out, and that must be overcome for JMU to become even better than it already is. It’s not about being “satisfied”...it’s about challenging ourselves to be better. Hiring and promoting from within, or thinking that the “JMU way” is beyond reproach is silly talk.

Your post does not represent what I said. The JMU way is not one of satisfaction or complacency.

I agree with challenging ourselves to be better but that doesn’t mean we need to tear down all that is good to do so.

No one is above reproach. I believe I said make what is great even greater.
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(03-28-2020 11:05 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 09:01 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 08:22 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Some of you act like the JMU way is a bad thing. It interesting to me that JMU is among the most popular schools in Virginia yet some of you don’t care for the JMU way.

I am incredibly proud to be a JMU grad. I love everything that is JMU. I struggle to understand why some of you are so critical of JMU. I have traveled to a lot of college campuses through the years. Many of them are really nice yet I have yet to visit one that measures up to JMU. JMU is incredibly special and the administration that some of you love to criticize made the campus what it is today and what it has been over the last 20+ years.

I understand that we should always strive for more. I am all for making great even greater. When people criticize something that is in and of itself an amazing thing, I just scratch my head and think that some folks just can’t be satisfied.

JMU is not perfect my friends but it is in the neighborhood.

Thank you proving my point.

Your knee jerk reaction rushing to defend JMU’s modus operandi is exactly the kind of myopic/blinkered thinking that is the institutional immaturity I was pointing out, and that must be overcome for JMU to become even better than it already is. It’s not about being “satisfied”...it’s about challenging ourselves to be better. Hiring and promoting from within, or thinking that the “JMU way” is beyond reproach is silly talk.

Your post does not represent what I said. The JMU way is not one of satisfaction or complacency.

I agree with challenging ourselves to be better but that doesn’t mean we need to tear down all that is good to do so.

No one is above reproach. I believe I said make what is great even greater.

My post doesn’t accurately respond to what your original post meant to convey? Oh really? At best (and I’m being generous here) your post said quite clearly that you think the “JMU way” is responsible for JMU’s popularity and that you “love” everything about JMU and thus don’t understand any criticism directed towards the school. Correct?

No one remotely suggested tearing “down all that is good” about JMU to help JMU grow as an institution. Your hyper-sensitivity to any criticism of JMU’s culture, however, is on full-display.

To make my point again (because you obviously missed it the first time around) is that JMU’s inability to operate outside of its self-limiting “culture” is a sign of institutional immaturity. Growth, real growth for JMU as an institution, must overcome those ingrained aspects of the “JMU way” that limit institutional growth. Hell, the “JMU way” has the AD reporting to the VP of Finance, and not the President. The “JMU way” says a HC of a major revenue sport can’t make more money than the President. The “JMU way” may be to hold open doors for one-another, but it closes and holds back the door from opening wider when risks of any type are minimized in favor of decisions that favor the tried and true, comfy ways of yesteryear.

JMU is a very special place. We can agree about that. Throwing up defenses when responding to rational criticism of the “JMU way” is not the best way to begin a discussion about how to move the institution forward.
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Balance.

I LOVE the “JMU way”, it’s why we all fell In love with the place and why my daughter decided to stay put even when “better” offers were there.

Let’s not dispense with that. The natural courtesy, the high fives, knowing nods, waves out of car windows.

OTOH, let’s keep the good things going, or better get the bad things improving.

Doesn’t need to be one or t’other. We’re all in this together, may just have different means to the same end.

And I think that’s a good thing. More input, more voices, more wrankling the better. Open it up.

Lots of good input to be had from the last voices one would expect. Often times.
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(03-20-2020 10:44 PM)jmudukes Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 08:58 PM)JMU13 Wrote:  Can anyone shed knowledge on him? Good coach?

We have a new coach. Let's support him 100%. Get your season tickets and let's open the new arena with lots of energy. We have a great team coming back and we need to be there to cheer them on. Do not say anything negative about our new coach. Give him a chance. I hope all of our players will stay. Even though we did not win I loved watching them play. A new coach and the new arena will be a great opportunity and should be an exciting season for all.

I have a hard time believe we have a great team coming back, and that anyone loved watching this team last year. Although I agree with most of rest of this comment. I dont think this hire will open the arena with "lots of energy" but he is no doubt an upgrade from the last regime and I wish him nothing but the best
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(03-29-2020 05:29 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Balance.

I LOVE the “JMU way”, it’s why we all fell In love with the place and why my daughter decided to stay put even when “better” offers were there.

Let’s not dispense with that. The natural courtesy, the high fives, knowing nods, waves out of car windows.

OTOH, let’s keep the good things going, or better get the bad things improving.

Doesn’t need to be one or t’other. We’re all in this together, may just have different means to the same end.

And I think that’s a good thing. More input, more voices, more wrankling the better. Open it up.

Lots of good input to be had from the last voices one would expect. Often times.

It definitely is a balance. JMU has grown since I was a student but my sense is that it still feels tight knit more so than schools half it's size.

The attendance at JMU MBB games notwithstanding the esprit de corps of JMU alum toward their school is stronger than other (even better known or better regarded) Universities. The WSJ survey kind of proved what we (a group of JMU die hards who have posted over 1 million times in a thread about JMU moving up conferences) already knew. JMU students, alum, etc. post about JMU on social media at a very high level as well- another proof point that there is something about JMU that is different.

I guess the question is -has the culture helped create that special something while at the same time holding us back?

The reporting structure is odd I guess yet the growth and investment across the University is hard to deny so that doesn't appear to have held us back. The promoting from within or valuing folks who came from JMU- I can see that- outside perspective is important but Alger is an outside of JMU hire- someone who spent time at Rutgers and Michigan. I'm sure that perspective has been valuable as JMU moves to a National level.

I think of the athletics program. Jeff Bourne has been AD for a while and many suggest he may retire soon. Will Kevin Warner take over? By all accounts Kevin is bright and has been a big part of our recent success (College Gameday) etc. He's younger and more active on social media obviously. Maybe he has different ideas or maybe he will be prone to the same trajectory/path that we have set under Bourne. (which isn't a bad path by the way).

Maybe JMU would be better hiring someone from outside of our bubble to take us to the next level? I don't know enough to say one way or another but I can see both schools of thought and I agree that a balance is probably the best solution. Keep bringing in new voices to lend different perspectives and challenge us to be our best but also stay true to the positive culture that makes us so special.

As it relates to Byington- the subject of this thread- a friend had an observation and I couple that with the one piece of negative feedback from a GSU fan on our board. Something about Coach B being almost too nice. I think his perspective having been a CAA player, someone who is from the area, and who played against JMU during better times (The Electric Zoo) helped get him the job (along with his reputation/track record, and his plan). I like that he is saying that JMU is big time. We need that big time thinking when it comes to JMU Men's basketball. I like that he is in tune with what JMU MBB formidable in the form of the student support and pep band. He seems like a guy who will be motivated to get a lot of energy behind the program.

The question is as a new coach to JMU how boisterous will he be with the administration and how tough will he be with the team- will he show that fire to fight for us to schedule better, to raise our level in terms of assistants and to demand that we keep raising the bar of the program? Will he be tough enough with the team and players to will them to be champions? That remains to be seen. Different sport but will there be a "lock the damn gates" mentality in our locker room at the AUBC?

This (along with the cache and national media coverage) is why folks wanted to see JMU land a JT III or even a Bryce Drew. In JT III's case just being aware of his Dad and their family as a college basketball fan over the years- he would have come to Harrisonburg (if he was even interested in JMU or the job) with those demands already understood. He would have shook things up and the admin and players would have had to play ball. It may have worked out and raised our level (I think it would have) or it could have been a failure with financial repercussions. We'll never know.
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(03-29-2020 12:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 11:05 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 09:01 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 08:22 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Some of you act like the JMU way is a bad thing. It interesting to me that JMU is among the most popular schools in Virginia yet some of you don’t care for the JMU way.

I am incredibly proud to be a JMU grad. I love everything that is JMU. I struggle to understand why some of you are so critical of JMU. I have traveled to a lot of college campuses through the years. Many of them are really nice yet I have yet to visit one that measures up to JMU. JMU is incredibly special and the administration that some of you love to criticize made the campus what it is today and what it has been over the last 20+ years.

I understand that we should always strive for more. I am all for making great even greater. When people criticize something that is in and of itself an amazing thing, I just scratch my head and think that some folks just can’t be satisfied.

JMU is not perfect my friends but it is in the neighborhood.

Thank you proving my point.

Your knee jerk reaction rushing to defend JMU’s modus operandi is exactly the kind of myopic/blinkered thinking that is the institutional immaturity I was pointing out, and that must be overcome for JMU to become even better than it already is. It’s not about being “satisfied”...it’s about challenging ourselves to be better. Hiring and promoting from within, or thinking that the “JMU way” is beyond reproach is silly talk.

Your post does not represent what I said. The JMU way is not one of satisfaction or complacency.

I agree with challenging ourselves to be better but that doesn’t mean we need to tear down all that is good to do so.

No one is above reproach. I believe I said make what is great even greater.

My post doesn’t accurately respond to what your original post meant to convey? Oh really? At best (and I’m being generous here) your post said quite clearly that you think the “JMU way” is responsible for JMU’s popularity and that you “love” everything about JMU and thus don’t understand any criticism directed towards the school. Correct?

No one remotely suggested tearing “down all that is good” about JMU to help JMU grow as an institution. Your hyper-sensitivity to any criticism of JMU’s culture, however, is on full-display.

To make my point again (because you obviously missed it the first time around) is that JMU’s inability to operate outside of its self-limiting “culture” is a sign of institutional immaturity. Growth, real growth for JMU as an institution, must overcome those ingrained aspects of the “JMU way” that limit institutional growth. Hell, the “JMU way” has the AD reporting to the VP of Finance, and not the President. The “JMU way” says a HC of a major revenue sport can’t make more money than the President. The “JMU way” may be to hold open doors for one-another, but it closes and holds back the door from opening wider when risks of any type are minimized in favor of decisions that favor the tried and true, comfy ways of yesteryear.

JMU is a very special place. We can agree about that. Throwing up defenses when responding to rational criticism of the “JMU way” is not the best way to begin a discussion about how to move the institution forward.

No not entirely correct. I criticize things too from time to time. It is the irrational criticism of some I don’t understand. A select few on here that constantly bash all that is JMU. That is who my comments are directed toward.

The JMU way is responsible for the schools popularity. The learning and teaching culture sure fit my taste and to this day, I still hold the door open for people as does my son who never attended JMU.

The AD should report to the President and should have more decision making power at JMU or any school for that matter. You hire an AD to run your athletics department. He should be entrusted to do so.

There are ways JMU can improve for sure. Many of us discuss those on here.

Dr. Alger has mentioned civil discourse in some of his communications over the years. Perhaps one day you will learn this. As a teacher, I would think that you would understand that the written word is subject to the readers interpretation of it. Just because you read something one way doesn’t make your interpretation fact. As many have mentioned to you before, you can share your opinions without hurling insults at others. This is advice you refuse to accept.
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(03-29-2020 08:52 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 11:05 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 09:01 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 08:22 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Some of you act like the JMU way is a bad thing. It interesting to me that JMU is among the most popular schools in Virginia yet some of you don’t care for the JMU way.

I am incredibly proud to be a JMU grad. I love everything that is JMU. I struggle to understand why some of you are so critical of JMU. I have traveled to a lot of college campuses through the years. Many of them are really nice yet I have yet to visit one that measures up to JMU. JMU is incredibly special and the administration that some of you love to criticize made the campus what it is today and what it has been over the last 20+ years.

I understand that we should always strive for more. I am all for making great even greater. When people criticize something that is in and of itself an amazing thing, I just scratch my head and think that some folks just can’t be satisfied.

JMU is not perfect my friends but it is in the neighborhood.

Thank you proving my point.

Your knee jerk reaction rushing to defend JMU’s modus operandi is exactly the kind of myopic/blinkered thinking that is the institutional immaturity I was pointing out, and that must be overcome for JMU to become even better than it already is. It’s not about being “satisfied”...it’s about challenging ourselves to be better. Hiring and promoting from within, or thinking that the “JMU way” is beyond reproach is silly talk.

Your post does not represent what I said. The JMU way is not one of satisfaction or complacency.

I agree with challenging ourselves to be better but that doesn’t mean we need to tear down all that is good to do so.

No one is above reproach. I believe I said make what is great even greater.

My post doesn’t accurately respond to what your original post meant to convey? Oh really? At best (and I’m being generous here) your post said quite clearly that you think the “JMU way” is responsible for JMU’s popularity and that you “love” everything about JMU and thus don’t understand any criticism directed towards the school. Correct?

No one remotely suggested tearing “down all that is good” about JMU to help JMU grow as an institution. Your hyper-sensitivity to any criticism of JMU’s culture, however, is on full-display.

To make my point again (because you obviously missed it the first time around) is that JMU’s inability to operate outside of its self-limiting “culture” is a sign of institutional immaturity. Growth, real growth for JMU as an institution, must overcome those ingrained aspects of the “JMU way” that limit institutional growth. Hell, the “JMU way” has the AD reporting to the VP of Finance, and not the President. The “JMU way” says a HC of a major revenue sport can’t make more money than the President. The “JMU way” may be to hold open doors for one-another, but it closes and holds back the door from opening wider when risks of any type are minimized in favor of decisions that favor the tried and true, comfy ways of yesteryear.

JMU is a very special place. We can agree about that. Throwing up defenses when responding to rational criticism of the “JMU way” is not the best way to begin a discussion about how to move the institution forward.

No not entirely correct. I criticize things too from time to time. It is the irrational criticism of some I don’t understand. A select few on here that constantly bash all that is JMU. That is who my comments are directed toward.

The JMU way is responsible for the schools popularity. The learning and teaching culture sure fit my taste and to this day, I still hold the door open for people as does my son who never attended JMU.

The AD should report to the President and should have more decision making power at JMU or any school for that matter. You hire an AD to run your athletics department. He should be entrusted to do so.

There are ways JMU can improve for sure. Many of us discuss those on here.

Dr. Alger has mentioned civil discourse in some of his communications over the years. Perhaps one day you will learn this. As a teacher, I would think that you would understand that the written word is subject to the readers interpretation of it. Just because you read something one way doesn’t make your interpretation fact. As many have mentioned to you before, you can share your opinions without hurling insults at others. This is advice you refuse to accept.

Point out where I insulted you, instead of responding to your comments. I’ll wait. 07-coffee3
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