(04-10-2020 07:57 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  There's a big difference between DeLoss Dodds and CDC (the current AD) at Texas. DeLoss wanted to take chances with up and coming coaches..when he arrived at Texas he hired what the BMDs wanted, former players of the Royal era. Luckily someone told him about Mack Brown being THE guy they needed by Darrell Royal..while DeLoss was getting ready to offer Barnett at Northwestern.

CDC is the type to go after the big names when needed. So far every hire under his watch has been terrific, including poaching the Mississippi St womens bball coach.

He's giving Tom all the resources he needs, but Tom better come through in 2020 or CDC will make that change

Gary Barnett would have been an interesting hire for Texas. He was a pretty good coach. Give him the unlimited resources of Texas instead of the resources of Northwestern or Colorado, and he might have done as well there as Mack Brown did.

(04-10-2020 12:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 07:57 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  There's a big difference between DeLoss Dodds and CDC (the current AD) at Texas. DeLoss wanted to take chances with up and coming coaches..when he arrived at Texas he hired what the BMDs wanted, former players of the Royal era. Luckily someone told him about Mack Brown being THE guy they needed by Darrell Royal..while DeLoss was getting ready to offer Barnett at Northwestern.

CDC is the type to go after the big names when needed. So far every hire under his watch has been terrific, including poaching the Mississippi St womens bball coach.

He's giving Tom all the resources he needs, but Tom better come through in 2020 or CDC will make that change

Gary Barnett would have been an interesting hire for Texas. He was a pretty good coach. Give him the unlimited resources of Texas instead of the resources of Northwestern or Colorado, and he might have done as well there as Mack Brown did.

I favored Barnett at the time, but he took a good Colorado program and tanked it. Nobody hired him after Colorado.

(04-10-2020 09:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 12:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 07:57 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  There's a big difference between DeLoss Dodds and CDC (the current AD) at Texas. DeLoss wanted to take chances with up and coming coaches..when he arrived at Texas he hired what the BMDs wanted, former players of the Royal era. Luckily someone told him about Mack Brown being THE guy they needed by Darrell Royal..while DeLoss was getting ready to offer Barnett at Northwestern.

CDC is the type to go after the big names when needed. So far every hire under his watch has been terrific, including poaching the Mississippi St womens bball coach.

He's giving Tom all the resources he needs, but Tom better come through in 2020 or CDC will make that change

Gary Barnett would have been an interesting hire for Texas. He was a pretty good coach. Give him the unlimited resources of Texas instead of the resources of Northwestern or Colorado, and he might have done as well there as Mack Brown did.

I favored Barnett at the time, but he took a good Colorado program and tanked it. Nobody hired him after Colorado.

I know they don't like to do it at Universities but if you are going to take a winning head coach and you want the same results he has had at the time of his hire then you need to hire his whole staff.

Coaching is a balance of relationships and skill sets. The Head Coach needs to be a great manager with solid communication skills and great at pressing the flesh and short speeches. Coordinators need to be great evaluators of talent and skill sets needed for their schemes and solid fundamentals in general and they need to be able to focus the position coaches on what each player needs to be taught. They also have to have good people skills because they are going to be doing a great deal of recruiting.

Dabo has a great thing going that may outlast Saban because Saban turns his staff over and it shows. Dabo keeps his together at all costs and it pays dividends.

If I were Texas and needed to look for another coach I'd bring the checkbook and come after not only Dabo but his whole staff. It's that team of coaches that is so valuable, not just one or two of them.

Right now Swinny's staff is the preeminent collection of coaches in college football, and he knows it.

(04-10-2020 09:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 12:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 07:57 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  There's a big difference between DeLoss Dodds and CDC (the current AD) at Texas. DeLoss wanted to take chances with up and coming coaches..when he arrived at Texas he hired what the BMDs wanted, former players of the Royal era. Luckily someone told him about Mack Brown being THE guy they needed by Darrell Royal..while DeLoss was getting ready to offer Barnett at Northwestern.

CDC is the type to go after the big names when needed. So far every hire under his watch has been terrific, including poaching the Mississippi St womens bball coach.

He's giving Tom all the resources he needs, but Tom better come through in 2020 or CDC will make that change

Gary Barnett would have been an interesting hire for Texas. He was a pretty good coach. Give him the unlimited resources of Texas instead of the resources of Northwestern or Colorado, and he might have done as well there as Mack Brown did.

I favored Barnett at the time, but he took a good Colorado program and tanked it. Nobody hired him after Colorado.

Barnett did at least as well at CU as Neuheisel before him. If I had to guess, the reason no one hired him after that was probably the allegations of coaches pressuring witnesses in an NCAA investigation and tipping players off before drug tests.

(04-10-2020 09:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Coaching is a balance of relationships and skill sets. The Head Coach needs to be a great manager with solid communication skills and great at pressing the flesh and short speeches. Coordinators need to be great evaluators of talent and skill sets needed for their schemes and solid fundamentals in general and they need to be able to focus the position coaches on what each player needs to be taught. They also have to have good people skills because they are going to be doing a great deal of recruiting.

Dabo has a great thing going that may outlast Saban because Saban turns his staff over and it shows. Dabo keeps his together at all costs and it pays dividends.

If I were Texas and needed to look for another coach I'd bring the checkbook and come after not only Dabo but his whole staff. It's that team of coaches that is so valuable, not just one or two of them.

Right now Swinny's staff is the preeminent collection of coaches in college football, and he knows it.

Dabo is onto something. He's not the best x's and o's guy, and he knows it. He's not afraid to bring people in that know more than he does.

Where Dabo excels is in people management. He knows how to create an environment where his coaches and players succeed. Clemson allows him to pay $2.5M to a coordinator, and gives him the tools to allow his people to be successful. He has created a program that people want to be part of. This crosses over into recruiting, alumni and donor relations. He has demonstrated that this is a people business.

Dabo has his own thing going at Clemson. It would be tempting if Texas threw $10M per year at him, and would be tempting if Alabama asked him to come home. At the end of the day, I think he'll stay where he is. I'm not sure if he can replicate what he has at Clemson anywhere else.

(04-10-2020 10:13 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Coaching is a balance of relationships and skill sets. The Head Coach needs to be a great manager with solid communication skills and great at pressing the flesh and short speeches. Coordinators need to be great evaluators of talent and skill sets needed for their schemes and solid fundamentals in general and they need to be able to focus the position coaches on what each player needs to be taught. They also have to have good people skills because they are going to be doing a great deal of recruiting.

Dabo has a great thing going that may outlast Saban because Saban turns his staff over and it shows. Dabo keeps his together at all costs and it pays dividends.

If I were Texas and needed to look for another coach I'd bring the checkbook and come after not only Dabo but his whole staff. It's that team of coaches that is so valuable, not just one or two of them.

Right now Swinny's staff is the preeminent collection of coaches in college football, and he knows it.

Dabo is onto something. He's not the best x's and o's guy, and he knows it. He's not afraid to bring people in that know more than he does.

Where Dabo excels is in people management. He knows how to create an environment where his coaches and players succeed. Clemson allows him to pay $2.5M to a coordinator, and gives him the tools to allow his people to be successful. He has created a program that people want to be part of. This crosses over into recruiting, alumni and donor relations. He has demonstrated that this is a people business.

Dabo has his own thing going at Clemson. It would be tempting if Texas threw $10M per year at him, and would be tempting if Alabama asked him to come home. At the end of the day, I think he'll stay where he is. I'm not sure if he can replicate what he has at Clemson anywhere else.

To get him you hire Dabo, his coordinators, and his best recruiting position coaches. He'd consider the move if his "coaching team" moved with him. At that point you might be thinking 15 million for the package.

(04-10-2020 10:13 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Coaching is a balance of relationships and skill sets. The Head Coach needs to be a great manager with solid communication skills and great at pressing the flesh and short speeches. Coordinators need to be great evaluators of talent and skill sets needed for their schemes and solid fundamentals in general and they need to be able to focus the position coaches on what each player needs to be taught. They also have to have good people skills because they are going to be doing a great deal of recruiting.

Dabo has a great thing going that may outlast Saban because Saban turns his staff over and it shows. Dabo keeps his together at all costs and it pays dividends.

If I were Texas and needed to look for another coach I'd bring the checkbook and come after not only Dabo but his whole staff. It's that team of coaches that is so valuable, not just one or two of them.

Right now Swinny's staff is the preeminent collection of coaches in college football, and he knows it.

Dabo is onto something. He's not the best x's and o's guy, and he knows it. He's not afraid to bring people in that know more than he does.

Where Dabo excels is in people management. He knows how to create an environment where his coaches and players succeed. Clemson allows him to pay $2.5M to a coordinator, and gives him the tools to allow his people to be successful. He has created a program that people want to be part of. This crosses over into recruiting, alumni and donor relations. He has demonstrated that this is a people business.

Dabo has his own thing going at Clemson. It would be tempting if Texas threw $10M per year at him, and would be tempting if Alabama asked him to come home. At the end of the day, I think he'll stay where he is. I'm not sure if he can replicate what he has at Clemson anywhere else.

I agree, he has his own dynasty at Clemson. I do not think he will ever leave. But I think he currently makes about $10 million at Clemson.

(04-10-2020 10:13 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Coaching is a balance of relationships and skill sets. The Head Coach needs to be a great manager with solid communication skills and great at pressing the flesh and short speeches. Coordinators need to be great evaluators of talent and skill sets needed for their schemes and solid fundamentals in general and they need to be able to focus the position coaches on what each player needs to be taught. They also have to have good people skills because they are going to be doing a great deal of recruiting.

Dabo has a great thing going that may outlast Saban because Saban turns his staff over and it shows. Dabo keeps his together at all costs and it pays dividends.

If I were Texas and needed to look for another coach I'd bring the checkbook and come after not only Dabo but his whole staff. It's that team of coaches that is so valuable, not just one or two of them.

Right now Swinny's staff is the preeminent collection of coaches in college football, and he knows it.

Dabo is onto something. He's not the best x's and o's guy, and he knows it. He's not afraid to bring people in that know more than he does.

Where Dabo excels is in people management. He knows how to create an environment where his coaches and players succeed. Clemson allows him to pay $2.5M to a coordinator, and gives him the tools to allow his people to be successful. He has created a program that people want to be part of. This crosses over into recruiting, alumni and donor relations. He has demonstrated that this is a people business.

Dabo has his own thing going at Clemson. It would be tempting if Texas threw $10M per year at him, and would be tempting if Alabama asked him to come home. At the end of the day, I think he'll stay where he is. I'm not sure if he can replicate what he has at Clemson anywhere else.

That is what concerned me about Charlie Strong right from the start. I looked at that Texas staff and it looked like he was afraid to have anyone who might be smarter or better than him. You see that in weak managers in business. They don't want any subordinates who can challenge them. He also had a lot of comfort hires, people who had been with him.

With Hermann I don't worry about the quality, but I do get a little concerned about comfort hires.

Mack Brown had Greg Davis as OC for a long time, but beyond that he wasn't afraid to get the best and brightest as his assistants. Neither is Nick Saban. He even hires head coaches as his analysts.

(04-10-2020 09:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 12:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 07:57 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  There's a big difference between DeLoss Dodds and CDC (the current AD) at Texas. DeLoss wanted to take chances with up and coming coaches..when he arrived at Texas he hired what the BMDs wanted, former players of the Royal era. Luckily someone told him about Mack Brown being THE guy they needed by Darrell Royal..while DeLoss was getting ready to offer Barnett at Northwestern.

CDC is the type to go after the big names when needed. So far every hire under his watch has been terrific, including poaching the Mississippi St womens bball coach.

He's giving Tom all the resources he needs, but Tom better come through in 2020 or CDC will make that change

Gary Barnett would have been an interesting hire for Texas. He was a pretty good coach. Give him the unlimited resources of Texas instead of the resources of Northwestern or Colorado, and he might have done as well there as Mack Brown did.

I favored Barnett at the time, but he took a good Colorado program and tanked it. Nobody hired him after Colorado.

Barnett did at least as well at CU as Neuheisel before him. If I had to guess, the reason no one hired him after that was probably the allegations of coaches pressuring witnesses in an NCAA investigation and tipping players off before drug tests.

I thought Barnett's downfall at Colorado and the reason no one hired him again, was because he was critical of a female kicker wanting to play on the team. He said she was a "girl" and that this was big boy football.....or something like that. Anyway the politically correct people got after him.

(04-11-2020 11:39 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 12:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 07:57 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  There's a big difference between DeLoss Dodds and CDC (the current AD) at Texas. DeLoss wanted to take chances with up and coming coaches..when he arrived at Texas he hired what the BMDs wanted, former players of the Royal era. Luckily someone told him about Mack Brown being THE guy they needed by Darrell Royal..while DeLoss was getting ready to offer Barnett at Northwestern.

CDC is the type to go after the big names when needed. So far every hire under his watch has been terrific, including poaching the Mississippi St womens bball coach.

He's giving Tom all the resources he needs, but Tom better come through in 2020 or CDC will make that change

Gary Barnett would have been an interesting hire for Texas. He was a pretty good coach. Give him the unlimited resources of Texas instead of the resources of Northwestern or Colorado, and he might have done as well there as Mack Brown did.

I favored Barnett at the time, but he took a good Colorado program and tanked it. Nobody hired him after Colorado.

Barnett did at least as well at CU as Neuheisel before him. If I had to guess, the reason no one hired him after that was probably the allegations of coaches pressuring witnesses in an NCAA investigation and tipping players off before drug tests.

I thought Barnett's downfall at Colorado and the reason no one hired him again, was because he was critical of a female kicker wanting to play on the team. He said she was a "girl" and that this was big boy football.....or something like that. Anyway the politically correct people got after him.

That incident was not pretty and it got media attention, but that's not much of an obstacle for college football coaches. Mike Leach says stuff like that regularly.

(04-11-2020 02:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-11-2020 11:39 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 12:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Gary Barnett would have been an interesting hire for Texas. He was a pretty good coach. Give him the unlimited resources of Texas instead of the resources of Northwestern or Colorado, and he might have done as well there as Mack Brown did.

I favored Barnett at the time, but he took a good Colorado program and tanked it. Nobody hired him after Colorado.

Barnett did at least as well at CU as Neuheisel before him. If I had to guess, the reason no one hired him after that was probably the allegations of coaches pressuring witnesses in an NCAA investigation and tipping players off before drug tests.

I thought Barnett's downfall at Colorado and the reason no one hired him again, was because he was critical of a female kicker wanting to play on the team. He said she was a "girl" and that this was big boy football.....or something like that. Anyway the politically correct people got after him.

That incident was not pretty and it got media attention, but that's not much of an obstacle for college football coaches. Mike Leach says stuff like that regularly.

Maybe that why he was happy to get out of the PC PAC.

(04-11-2020 02:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-11-2020 02:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-11-2020 11:39 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  I favored Barnett at the time, but he took a good Colorado program and tanked it. Nobody hired him after Colorado.

Barnett did at least as well at CU as Neuheisel before him. If I had to guess, the reason no one hired him after that was probably the allegations of coaches pressuring witnesses in an NCAA investigation and tipping players off before drug tests.

I thought Barnett's downfall at Colorado and the reason no one hired him again, was because he was critical of a female kicker wanting to play on the team. He said she was a "girl" and that this was big boy football.....or something like that. Anyway the politically correct people got after him.

That incident was not pretty and it got media attention, but that's not much of an obstacle for college football coaches. Mike Leach says stuff like that regularly.

Maybe that why he was happy to get out of the PC PAC.

You don't know squat about Washington State. Eastern Washington is very conservative.