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(03-10-2020 08:06 PM)cschierh Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if NIT and WNIT were canceled.

I really don't think it's political. Over the weekend, I read, "The people who are most concerned are the people who know the most" -- the infectious disease experts.

You know, we may never know if all this was necessary. If there is no major outbreak, is it because all the precautions worked? Or because there never was a problem to start with.

Oh...

And if anyone still cares about the game itself, there's what I think is a pretty good preview on the blog at http://wbbFlashes.com.

I agree with this.
I have never been a fan of the saying "It is what it is" but I think in this case that is probably the best explanation for the situation. For what it is worth, we made the decision yesterday right before the national news came on that we would simply not be attending. I don't fault anyone who disagrees. I don't fault anyone who believes it is overhyped and I don't fault anyone who believes the opposite.

The only people I truly feel bad for are the players and coaches. I am sure that somewhere in the OHSAA bracket, for instance, there is a school who is slated to play in the regionals for the first time. The atmosphere alone makes those games special. Sure, college kids get scholarships but for the seniors on whichever teams make it through to saturday, its going to be strange.
03-11-2020 06:37 AM
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(03-10-2020 08:06 PM)cschierh Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if NIT and WNIT were canceled.

I really don't think it's political. Over the weekend, I read, "The people who are most concerned are the people who know the most" -- the infectious disease experts.

You know, we may never know if all this was necessary. If there is no major outbreak, is it because all the precautions worked? Or because there never was a problem to start with.

Oh...

And if anyone still cares about the game itself, there's what I think is a pretty good preview on the blog at http://wbbFlashes.com.

Just to be clear I’m good with this decision. My original post was twisted a bit by later posts. I’m sure the Governor thinks he did what was best but after that decision is made other people will use it. Lawyers and their clients are already suing cruise ship lines. Republicans and Democrats are already going back and forth on who to blame. My point about South Korea and Italy (Iran also) I think is valid. I’d rather be in South Korea than Italy right now. I’m sure many Koreans thought they overreacted. Even if the disease turns out to have less impact than the flu it is doing a number on the economy unlike any flu epidemic. Unfortunately cutting interest rates won’t fix this issue. People have the money there is just no place to spend it right now and until the uncertainty goes away it won’t change. If anything we need our politicians to order things and not just recommend. Having no crowds at the MAC but crowds at Blue Jacket games makes no sense. Mixed messages don’t help.
03-11-2020 07:32 AM
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At least Sendy and the team are used to playing in front of a sparse crowd. Hopefully, they will play the fight song during every time out.
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(03-10-2020 08:06 PM)cschierh Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if NIT and WNIT were canceled.

I really don't think it's political. Over the weekend, I read, "The people who are most concerned are the people who know the most" -- the infectious disease experts.

You know, we may never know if all this was necessary. If there is no major outbreak, is it because all the precautions worked? Or because there never was a problem to start with.

Oh...

And if anyone still cares about the game itself, there's what I think is a pretty good preview on the blog at http://wbbFlashes.com.

By the way I still care about the game. Are you going to be allowed in?
03-11-2020 07:38 AM
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It reminds me of the hapless Jerry Ford and the 1976 swine flu. He was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. He, correctly, was willing to err on the side of caution.
03-11-2020 08:45 AM
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15.2 million people died from heart disease in 2016.

1.3 million people die from car related accidents every year.

You're more likely to die driving to a sports event or eating that loaded hot dog at the event.
03-11-2020 12:45 PM
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(03-10-2020 08:06 PM)cschierh Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if NIT and WNIT were canceled.

I really don't think it's political. Over the weekend, I read, "The people who are most concerned are the people who know the most" -- the infectious disease experts.

You know, we may never know if all this was necessary. If there is no major outbreak, is it because all the precautions worked? Or because there never was a problem to start with.

Oh...

And if anyone still cares about the game itself, there's what I think is a pretty good preview on the blog at http://wbbFlashes.com.

The CBI tournament has been cancelled. NIT can’t be far behind.
03-11-2020 01:24 PM
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(03-11-2020 12:45 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  15.2 million people died from heart disease in 2016.

1.3 million people die from car related accidents every year.

You're more likely to die driving to a sports event or eating that loaded hot dog at the event.

But only 37000 in the United States die of car crashes. Because we regulate the safety, which is really what is going on here. I think erring on the side of caution is a good idea for now, especially given the lack of reliable testing.
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(03-10-2020 07:33 PM)burden Wrote:  Another thing is the economy is taking an awful hit. Just the airlines and related businesses will kill it. The quicker this goes away the better. South Korea handled it well and it’s basically over. Italy hasn’t and we might never see another Italian. They are basically all in prison.

I wouldn't go to Cleveland this week as my wife just got out of a hospital. She was in an ICU unit in Columbus and I ran into someone from Wayne Co who's relative was in Columbus because there were no ICU spots in Akron or Canton. If coronavirus were to hit Ohio hard there will not likely be enough ICU care facilities to treat those critically ill.
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(03-11-2020 07:36 AM)KSUforever Wrote:  At least Sendy and the team are used to playing in front of a sparse crowd. Hopefully, they will play the fight song during every time out.

I was thinking that too! We were 13-3 in early January playing in front of sparse home crowds and hi-top tables on the end line.... Go Flashes!
03-11-2020 04:21 PM
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Most of the people attending basketball games would not be seriously at risk, but the more the novel coronavirus spreads throughout the various communities the more those 80 and over and those will serious chronic health conditions would be in danger, in the absence of a vaccine that is at least a year away. The last I read this virus is three times more communicable than influenza. The worst case scenario would be that it really breaks out all over like the 1918 flu and literally millions of the very elderly and those with conditions such as chronic reparatory illness, heart conditions, diabetes and other serious chronic conditions would die. Sure, that would be the worst case scenario, especially if hospitals become too overburdened to give all the seriously ill proper supportive care. As much as i don't like it, those in a position to make such calls are doing the only prudent thing.
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NCAA Tournament will be played in empty venues.
03-11-2020 04:37 PM
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(03-11-2020 03:31 PM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  
(03-10-2020 07:33 PM)burden Wrote:  Another thing is the economy is taking an awful hit. Just the airlines and related businesses will kill it. The quicker this goes away the better. South Korea handled it well and it’s basically over. Italy hasn’t and we might never see another Italian. They are basically all in prison.

I wouldn't go to Cleveland this week as my wife just got out of a hospital. She was in an ICU unit in Columbus and I ran into someone from Wayne Co who's relative was in Columbus because there were no ICU spots in Akron or Canton. If coronavirus were to hit Oho hard they will not likely be enough ICU care facilities to treat those critically ill.

I'm no medical professional, but yes from what I've heard this is the serious concern. Critical cases have to be in the ICU for weeks and there is only so much ICU space.
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(03-10-2020 08:05 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  I wanted to mention something about the game last night quickly. I thought it looked like we had a very strong game plan to handle the zone. A couple things I noticed us doing a lot of were 1) trying to get the ball to the elbow then hit someone cutting from the corner to the basket. Seemed like Beck was particularly effective in this role. There were several times where we didn't execute it perfectly and didn't end up getting the shot. But the fact that the ball had already passed through the paint started the zone getting behind and scrambling to catch up. The other thing 2) was making passes to the man in the corner while a wing man was between the man and the guy in the corner. So instead of swinging it around the perimeter they basically skipped a guy on the arc and went straight to the corner. Again this wasn't always successful. A couple times EMU picked off the pass. But what this did was make the EMU guy in that area unsure what passing lane to protect. So it was creating more space for the the man outside the arc. Also when the pass was successful it meant the whole zone had to make a large shift which again helped to get them behind in rotation. The way you beat a zone is by getting ahead of their rotation.

Morale of the story, I thought that was a well planned and well executed attack. I was very worried that not having our longest perimeter player would be a real problem against the zone but it was definitely not.

To put this in terms that will make more sense to this thread... Beating a good zone defense is like stopping a pandemic. You have to get out ahead of it. If you're responding to it's rotations as they happen you're too late, it already beat you.

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(03-11-2020 04:37 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  NCAA Tournament will be played in empty venues.


NCAA wrestling too. I wonder what will happen when the first player/coach gets it.
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(03-11-2020 05:28 PM)burden Wrote:  
(03-11-2020 04:37 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  NCAA Tournament will be played in empty venues.


NCAA wrestling too. I wonder what will happen when the first player/coach gets it.

Got the answer Rudy Gobert tested positive and the NBA suspended all games.
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So this as to be it for the college basketball season right? How can the NCAA justify having amateur athletes play when the pros won't? I feel like the backlash the NCAA would get would be unreal if they play and players start getting sick. The point would certainly come up quickly that the NCAA is making tons of money off the tournament while putting the players who don't see they money at risk.

I do wonder if there's any possibility of postponing the tournaments. Tonight's been the weirdest sports night of my life. To think the MAC tournament will start less than 12 hours from now is hard to imagine. I know college aged healthy people are supposed to not be heavily affected, but it would only take one death for it to have been the horribly wrong decision.
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I’m beginning to wonder if we need to do more. I know doctors are the experts on the disease but my one 7 day hospital stay let me know their statistical skills and their dedication to calibrating equipment leaves a lot to be desired. It’s a long sometimes funny and sometimes not story I won’t go into. I’m not sure they are the best at understanding the math behind how this spreads. It appears to me one group of 10,000 people gathering for 3 hours is no better or worse then 2500 groups of 4. When you pass the disease for 14 or so days before you know you have it you run into a lot of groups of 4. Ever been to Starbucks or a restaurant? It looks good to cancel the St Patrick’s Day parade but I wonder how much that will really slow it down. I have no hard data but the speed of this thing just got me thinking.
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Burden, this new virus is the "perfect storm". Since most people who are infected aren't particularly ill they can spread it to many others. But since some, especially the very elderly and those with underlying conditions, become so ill that they need hospitalization or even intensive care and a respirator, the hospitals could be overwhelmed. I heard an expert say that we have intensive care capacity for only 1/10 of 1 percent of the people at any one point in time. This is not the 2009 H1N1, that spread rapidly but did not make very many critically ill, or SARS or MERS, that had death rates of 10% or more, Those made people really sick really fast and the people did not, therefore, spread it much, so both were contained. This virus is in between those extremes and, therefore, a real threat to certain people. I'm in my 70s but in good health so I'm not worried about myself, but I worry about the people I know who are older and have underlying conditions.

I know this is a basketball thread, so I'll just say that what I know about epidemiology from various classes I took makes me believe that not having fans is the right thing to do.
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(03-12-2020 07:23 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  Burden, this new virus is the "perfect storm". Since most people who are infected aren't particularly ill they can spread it to many others. But since some, especially the very elderly and those with underlying conditions, become so ill that they need hospitalization or even intensive care and a respirator, the hospitals could be overwhelmed. I heard an expert say that we have intensive care capacity for only 1/10 of 1 percent of the people at any one point in time. This is not the 2009 H1N1, that spread rapidly but did not make very many critically ill, or SARS or MERS, that had death rates of 10% or more, Those made people really sick really fast and the people did not, therefore, spread it much, so both were contained. This virus is in between those extremes and, therefore, a real threat to certain people. I'm in my 70s but in good health so I'm not worried about myself, but I worry about the people I know who are older and have underlying conditions.

I know this is a basketball thread, so I'll just say that what I know about epidemiology from various classes I took makes me believe that not having fans is the right thing to do.

I agree. All I’m saying is the big announcements are for show. Let’s start restricting movement even more.
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