(03-04-2020 05:36 PM)T1G3R Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 05:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 04:05 PM)Memphis4life Wrote:  Am I the only one who thinks this may turn out to be better than the NCAA Committee on Infractions making the decision? If this is an independent 3rd party board, does it take away the temptation that the NCAA might have to "make an example" out of Memphis because we didn't lie down and do what they wanted us to do?

There are still things about this case that I don't understand and I hope this process sorts through all the details of the case.

I feel the same way. This is undoubtedly a unique case. Penny pays mom before he is a coach, but is a technical "booster". Self reported. Or maybe not. Initially cleared. Or maybe not. Eligible, likely ineligible, ineligible. Court injunction. Initial penalty of suspension ultimately served (then some). It's unique.

So maybe a committee of arbiters is better suited to sort through this without the unfair, corrupt, and vengeful (at least on us) NCAA. I still feel about the only remaining thing to be done is vacate the 3 games, possible post-season ban, suspend Penny for 3 games.

Certainly you can ignore Wolken on this. We've become one of his schools that he likes to troll.

The scenario you outline above could be the best case scenario that could come of this. And hopefully be the end of it. But with our crap history I am expecting more. I'll be glad to be wrong. Also, the wait for the ruling will be the worst part as it will undoubtedly bring more scrutiny and affect recruiting unfortunately.

The wait time has me very interested. This hanging out there obviously kills recruiting for us. The NCAA would certainly drag their feet and take their sweet time which would kill next year's class. I am hoping that this will be a much quicker process so we can get it done and over with in a quick manner.

(03-04-2020 05:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 04:05 PM)Memphis4life Wrote:  Am I the only one who thinks this may turn out to be better than the NCAA Committee on Infractions making the decision? If this is an independent 3rd party board, does it take away the temptation that the NCAA might have to "make an example" out of Memphis because we didn't lie down and do what they wanted us to do?

There are still things about this case that I don't understand and I hope this process sorts through all the details of the case.

I feel the same way. This is undoubtedly a unique case. Penny pays mom before he is a coach, but is a technical "booster". Self reported. Or maybe not. Initially cleared. Or maybe not. Eligible, likely ineligible, ineligible. Court injunction. Initial penalty of suspension ultimately served (then some). It's unique.

So maybe a committee of arbiters is better suited to sort through this without the unfair, corrupt, and vengeful (at least on us) NCAA. I still feel about the only remaining thing to be done is vacate the 3 games, possible post-season ban, suspend Penny for 3 games.

Certainly you can ignore Wolken on this. We've become one of his schools that he likes to troll.

These would be the only logical and fair outcomes, given what we know. I'm more worried that we don't know the entire story.

(03-04-2020 04:23 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think Wiseman could and probably should file suit against the NCAA the day after the championship game.

He was denied a chance to play a season of basketball after being led to believe he was cleared by the NCAA. He has a pretty clear case if indeed the payments were known at the time of his initial clearance. He does not need the university to support his case one way or another. The university would simply be a fact witness in the case.

I hope he takes that big NBA salary and sues the NCAA for enough to make his NBA money look like peanuts.

Had the NCAA ruled him ineligible to play at Memphis back in May (when the NCAA declared him eligible), Wiseman would have gone on to Kentucky, where he would have been this year's Zion Williamson. Him sitting out probably doesn't impact his NBA salary (He'll still be the #1 or #2 pick), but I would expect it impacted his endorsement opportunities by damaging his reputation as an honest, hard-working kid. The evidence of this is the fact that we haven't seen Wiseman pitching King Cotton hot dogs, or some other small-time adds to generate some money while he gets ready for the draft. There's nothing keeping him from doing that now, other than the market. Advertisers may be staying away because a college player under NCAA investigation doesn't sell hot dogs.

And... as long as we're at it, Derek Rose should file suit against the Chicago ACT testing board for slander, claiming that they damaged his reputation by invalidating his passing ACT test score without any proof of impropriety. This unsubstantiated slander by the defendant caused damage to Rose's reputation, making folks think he was a cheater despite no substantiated proof of such.

Death penalty incoming.

(03-04-2020 06:04 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  Death penalty incoming.

Give me a break, that's nonsense.

The NCAA reserves their toughest punishment for cover-ups - fraud, lies, deceit (unless you're UNC). There was none of that here. I just can't see how this qualifies as "serious sanctions".

(03-04-2020 05:39 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 05:36 PM)T1G3R Wrote:  The scenario you outline above could be the best case scenario that could come of this. And hopefully be the end of it. But with our crap history I am expecting more. I'll be glad to be wrong. Also, the wait for the ruling will be the worst part as it will undoubtedly bring more scrutiny and affect recruiting unfortunately.

The wait time has me very interested. This hanging out there obviously kills recruiting for us. The NCAA would certainly drag their feet and take their sweet time which would kill next year's class. I am hoping that this will be a much quicker process so we can get it done and over with in a quick manner.

Maybe it will impact recruiting. The dark cloud of the NCAA sure hasn't hurt recruiting at Auburn, LSU, Kansas. But maybe it does at lil ole Memphis.

I think the bigger thing with recruiting right now is seeing what the staff looks like next year. We could still make a big haul (Green, Brown, Cisse). Or we could get some transfers and a couple of 4-stars that fans aren't familiar with. Probably depends on Miller more than anything. But I think either way, Penny will get some players.

(03-04-2020 06:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The NCAA reserves their toughest punishment for cover-ups - fraud, lies, deceit (unless you're UNC). There was none of that here. I just can't see how this qualifies as "serious sanctions".

They also change the rules on the fly. No telling how this committee will treat this since there is no precedent.

It’s gonna get publicity though... Which could either help or hinder us.
lol

Loss of 1 scholarship and Penny sits out 3 conference games is my guess.

(03-04-2020 05:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 04:05 PM)Memphis4life Wrote:  Am I the only one who thinks this may turn out to be better than the NCAA Committee on Infractions making the decision? If this is an independent 3rd party board, does it take away the temptation that the NCAA might have to "make an example" out of Memphis because we didn't lie down and do what they wanted us to do?

There are still things about this case that I don't understand and I hope this process sorts through all the details of the case.

I feel the same way. This is undoubtedly a unique case. Penny pays mom before he is a coach, but is a technical "booster". Self reported. Or maybe not. Initially cleared. Or maybe not. Eligible, likely ineligible, ineligible. Court injunction. Initial penalty of suspension ultimately served (then some). It's unique.

So maybe a committee of arbiters is better suited to sort through this without the unfair, corrupt, and vengeful (at least on us) NCAA. I still feel about the only remaining thing to be done is vacate the 3 games, possible post-season ban, suspend Penny for 3 games.

Certainly you can ignore Wolken on this. We've become one of his schools that he likes to troll.

I think some of the badboys here gave him a hard time — kindasorta

Not gonna worry about it too much. I think it’s being handled the best way possible. Not much we can do about it anyway but wait. GTG!

(03-04-2020 06:50 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Loss of 1 scholarship and Penny sits out 3 conference games is my guess.

I can see something like that. I don't see a post season ban as some suggest. I do see a reduction is scholarships. And more than one. I can't see this issue being resolved this season so all the talk about taking a possible post season ban this year is out of the question.

The top recruit in the nation played something like 3 games. Then, he was ruled 'probably ineligible' or some similar nonsense.
Tigers played this player for one game after this 'probably ineligible' declaration. Then, NCAA suspends the player for twelve games.
For some reason, this player sits out several games. And then, he decides to sit out the entire season. The star player ends up playing a very small number of games ever as a Tiger.
THIS SHOULD BE PUNISHMENT ENOUGH!

(03-04-2020 07:25 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Not gonna worry about it too much. I think it’s being handled the best way possible. Not much we can do about it anyway but wait. GTG!

You're right. Nothing we can do about it. I'm worried about Wichita St and SMU losing 33 to 14 at the half to UCF.

Isn't IARP part of those refinance programs that Robert Wagner does infomercials for during the early morning hours?

knights win

(03-04-2020 12:41 PM)mairving Wrote:  

If anyone from the COMMUNIST have anything to do with our future--then we are screwed.

The mistake was made when the lawsuit was dropped---we had the ncaa by the balls and nationally public opinion on our side.

(03-04-2020 09:01 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  knights win

If we can beat Wichita St then we are in 5th place by a game over SMU

(03-04-2020 05:18 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 05:15 PM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  Here comes the hammer.

Yep. Always remember though that we were told on here that Pat Forde doesn’t know anything.

The two are not mutually exclusive. We may get hammered, but Forde and Wolken are just expressing their wet dreams. They know no more than we do.