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(03-04-2020 04:47 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:12 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  So, do we know if the NCAA made the request, or did the UofM?

A request for referral of the infractions case involving the University of Memphis to the Independent Accountability Resolution Process was granted by the Infractions Referral Committee.

Quote:The NCAA announced Wednesday that the school's request to have the infraction case resolved through the Independent Accountability Resolution Process had been granted.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...gation-arm

Thanks! That makes me feel a TINY bit better.
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Once this committee decides there is no appeal not that we would win an appeal anyway.
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shouldn't Joan recuse herself?
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(03-04-2020 04:33 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me to see Penny get a show-cause out of this.

Penny paid, then played, now gets filet-ed.

On point
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(03-04-2020 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:20 PM)fsquid Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 01:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 01:21 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 01:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Bunch of chicken littles.

Unless the available information is false.

If Penny disclosed the payment there is nothing additional that really can be done.

We knowingly played an ineligible player. They are going to hammer us for that.

I seriously doubt that.

An injunction was in place by the courts which the school had to follow (Case filed by player). We have a precedent here.

Jerry Tarkanian coached for several years with an injunction stopping the NCAA from suspending him. You know what happened when he lost that case...Nothing. Hell he wasn't even suspended afterwards.

The injunction just stated that Wiseman couldn't be suspended. It did not said that he had to be played in a game.

Try to sell sitting the #1 player in the country to a judge as not being a suspension.

That wouldnt hold up in a court. Otherwise any player who feels like he/she isnt getting enough playing time goes to court and the judge forces the institution to give more playing time.
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(03-04-2020 05:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:20 PM)fsquid Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 01:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 01:21 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  We knowingly played an ineligible player. They are going to hammer us for that.

I seriously doubt that.

An injunction was in place by the courts which the school had to follow (Case filed by player). We have a precedent here.

Jerry Tarkanian coached for several years with an injunction stopping the NCAA from suspending him. You know what happened when he lost that case...Nothing. Hell he wasn't even suspended afterwards.

The injunction just stated that Wiseman couldn't be suspended. It did not said that he had to be played in a game.

Try to sell sitting the #1 player in the country to a judge as not being a suspension.

That wouldnt hold up in a court. Otherwise any player who feels like he/she isnt getting enough playing time goes to court and the judge forces the institution to give more playing time.

Really!!!

You are just arguing to argue at this point...You know that is nonsense.
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(03-04-2020 05:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:20 PM)fsquid Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 01:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 01:21 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  We knowingly played an ineligible player. They are going to hammer us for that.

I seriously doubt that.

An injunction was in place by the courts which the school had to follow (Case filed by player). We have a precedent here.

Jerry Tarkanian coached for several years with an injunction stopping the NCAA from suspending him. You know what happened when he lost that case...Nothing. Hell he wasn't even suspended afterwards.

The injunction just stated that Wiseman couldn't be suspended. It did not said that he had to be played in a game.

Try to sell sitting the #1 player in the country to a judge as not being a suspension.

That wouldnt hold up in a court. Otherwise any player who feels like he/she isnt getting enough playing time goes to court and the judge forces the institution to give more playing time.

i think the term was probably ineligible
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(03-04-2020 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:20 PM)fsquid Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 01:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I seriously doubt that.

An injunction was in place by the courts which the school had to follow (Case filed by player). We have a precedent here.

Jerry Tarkanian coached for several years with an injunction stopping the NCAA from suspending him. You know what happened when he lost that case...Nothing. Hell he wasn't even suspended afterwards.

The injunction just stated that Wiseman couldn't be suspended. It did not said that he had to be played in a game.

Try to sell sitting the #1 player in the country to a judge as not being a suspension.

That wouldnt hold up in a court. Otherwise any player who feels like he/she isnt getting enough playing time goes to court and the judge forces the institution to give more playing time.

Really!!!

You are just arguing to argue at this point...You know that is nonsense.

I can agree that is what I would say in my defense, but there is nothing legally a court can do to force playing time...

What do they say? You must play this player at least 32 minutes a game or you will be in contempt?

Nope. The injunction was only for suspension, not playing time.
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Here comes the hammer.
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(03-04-2020 05:12 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:20 PM)fsquid Wrote:  The injunction just stated that Wiseman couldn't be suspended. It did not said that he had to be played in a game.

Try to sell sitting the #1 player in the country to a judge as not being a suspension.

That wouldnt hold up in a court. Otherwise any player who feels like he/she isnt getting enough playing time goes to court and the judge forces the institution to give more playing time.

Really!!!

You are just arguing to argue at this point...You know that is nonsense.

I can agree that is what I would say in my defense, but there is nothing legally a court can do to force playing time...

What do they say? You must play this player at least 32 minutes a game or you will be in contempt?

Nope. The injunction was only for suspension, not playing time.

A court can use common sense and hold the school in contempt.

If a player goes from starting and being the leading scorer 1 game to playing 0 minutes after suspension. You are just being silly.
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(03-04-2020 05:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:12 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Try to sell sitting the #1 player in the country to a judge as not being a suspension.

That wouldnt hold up in a court. Otherwise any player who feels like he/she isnt getting enough playing time goes to court and the judge forces the institution to give more playing time.

Really!!!

You are just arguing to argue at this point...You know that is nonsense.

I can agree that is what I would say in my defense, but there is nothing legally a court can do to force playing time...

What do they say? You must play this player at least 32 minutes a game or you will be in contempt?

Nope. The injunction was only for suspension, not playing time.

A court can use common sense and hold the school in contempt.

If a player goes from starting and being the leading scorer 1 game to playing 0 minutes after suspension. You are just being silly.

Oh wow man, you realize you just used common sense and court in the same sentence? I am glad to see you dont have much experience in court. That is almost always a good thing. Common sense is not allowed in court, only the letter of the law.
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(03-04-2020 05:15 PM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  Here comes the hammer.

Yep. Always remember though that we were told on here that Pat Forde doesn’t know anything.
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(03-04-2020 05:17 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:12 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  That wouldnt hold up in a court. Otherwise any player who feels like he/she isnt getting enough playing time goes to court and the judge forces the institution to give more playing time.

Really!!!

You are just arguing to argue at this point...You know that is nonsense.

I can agree that is what I would say in my defense, but there is nothing legally a court can do to force playing time...

What do they say? You must play this player at least 32 minutes a game or you will be in contempt?

Nope. The injunction was only for suspension, not playing time.

A court can use common sense and hold the school in contempt.

If a player goes from starting and being the leading scorer 1 game to playing 0 minutes after suspension. You are just being silly.

Oh wow man, you realize you just used common sense and court in the same sentence? I am glad to see you dont have much experience in court. That is almost always a good thing. Common sense is not allowed in court, only the letter of the law.

Lol...Ok.

I am done having this conversation with you. You are just trolling at this point.
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Yea, Pat has been talking about this in interviews I've seen since November.
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(03-04-2020 05:12 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:20 PM)fsquid Wrote:  The injunction just stated that Wiseman couldn't be suspended. It did not said that he had to be played in a game.

Try to sell sitting the #1 player in the country to a judge as not being a suspension.

That wouldnt hold up in a court. Otherwise any player who feels like he/she isnt getting enough playing time goes to court and the judge forces the institution to give more playing time.

Really!!!

You are just arguing to argue at this point...You know that is nonsense.

I can agree that is what I would say in my defense, but there is nothing legally a court can do to force playing time...

What do they say? You must play this player at least 32 minutes a game or you will be in contempt?

Nope. The injunction was only for suspension, not playing time.

"Not playing" him is effectively suspending him. It is a matter of semantics. There is no team, coach, or person who would have the #1 player in the country and just decide he is not good enough to play him.

If you decide not to play him based on the potential NCAA eligibility then you are effectively suspending him. And no, no other player could just randomly decide to go to court and get a ruling that forces a school to play them X amount of minutes. That is one of the more absurd statements I have seen posted. This is not some borderline player like Maurice we are talking about here, where a coach may sit him for a few games due to not being able to contribute on the court. Wiseman was clearly going to play huge minutes for minutes and nobody would argue otherwise. Thus, there is really no argument that could be that not playing him was for any reason other the the possible NCAA issue, which again is effectively suspending him.
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(03-04-2020 04:33 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me to see Penny get a show-cause out of this.

Penny paid, then played, now gets filet-ed.

Then why would Mike Miller be lobbying for another job? He'd be the next head coach at Memphis.
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(03-04-2020 04:05 PM)Memphis4life Wrote:  Am I the only one who thinks this may turn out to be better than the NCAA Committee on Infractions making the decision? If this is an independent 3rd party board, does it take away the temptation that the NCAA might have to "make an example" out of Memphis because we didn't lie down and do what they wanted us to do?

There are still things about this case that I don't understand and I hope this process sorts through all the details of the case.

I feel the same way. This is undoubtedly a unique case. Penny pays mom before he is a coach, but is a technical "booster". Self reported. Or maybe not. Initially cleared. Or maybe not. Eligible, likely ineligible, ineligible. Court injunction. Initial penalty of suspension ultimately served (then some). It's unique.

So maybe a committee of arbiters is better suited to sort through this without the unfair, corrupt, and vengeful (at least on us) NCAA. I still feel about the only remaining thing to be done is vacate the 3 games, possible post-season ban, suspend Penny for 3 games.

Certainly you can ignore Wolken on this. We've become one of his schools that he likes to troll.
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I for one like that that this is essentially out of the NCAA's hands. And I cannot believe that we would have requested this without some serious legal consulting. I have a feeling the University believes that we will get a very favorable outcome. I think it is even possible that this sheds light on much of the NCAA's bias and bullshite they put on schools that are not blue bloods.
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(03-04-2020 05:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 04:05 PM)Memphis4life Wrote:  Am I the only one who thinks this may turn out to be better than the NCAA Committee on Infractions making the decision? If this is an independent 3rd party board, does it take away the temptation that the NCAA might have to "make an example" out of Memphis because we didn't lie down and do what they wanted us to do?

There are still things about this case that I don't understand and I hope this process sorts through all the details of the case.

I feel the same way. This is undoubtedly a unique case. Penny pays mom before he is a coach, but is a technical "booster". Self reported. Or maybe not. Initially cleared. Or maybe not. Eligible, likely ineligible, ineligible. Court injunction. Initial penalty of suspension ultimately served (then some). It's unique.

So maybe a committee of arbiters is better suited to sort through this without the unfair, corrupt, and vengeful (at least on us) NCAA. I still feel about the only remaining thing to be done is vacate the 3 games, possible post-season ban, suspend Penny for 3 games.

Certainly you can ignore Wolken on this. We've become one of his schools that he likes to troll.

The scenario you outline above could be the best case scenario that could come of this. And hopefully be the end of it. But with our crap history I am expecting more. I'll be glad to be wrong. Also, the wait for the ruling will be the worst part as it will undoubtedly bring more scrutiny and affect recruiting unfortunately.
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