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the bench in general gave very good minutes today (holding serve to give the starters a much needed blow) I was very nervous in the first half when Brannen subbed out everyone but Trey but the bench came in and gave 4-5 really good minutes even adding to the lead a little.

In the second half Mamadou came in for Vogt and drained a 3 and the crowd went nuts.

Everyone contributed and everyone's effort was needed.

At this point I think the Bearcats live rent free in the shockers heads...WSU comes so close to the W only to have it snatched away.

(02-23-2020 06:20 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Williams and Vogt never got going.

I would have to review the archives before I am too sure, but I think Chad said somewhere on the last podcast or two, that Williams has been hurt. Not sure. Then the posts about Vogt and his right arm.

Regardless, need more than two total points from them two, combined.

(02-23-2020 07:54 PM)Ring of Black Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 06:20 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Williams and Vogt never got going.

I would have to review the archives before I am too sure, but I think Chad said somewhere on the last podcast or two, that Williams has been hurt. Not sure. Then the posts about Vogt and his right arm.

Regardless, need more than two total points from them two, combined.

Honestly, the amount of minutes that Jarron, Vogt, Tre and, to a lesser extent, Keith have been playing, it's a miracle that they are able to go near 40 minutes every game when not in foul trouble. i'm knocking on wood right now.

The 1-3-1 with Dou at the top completely rewrote the script of the first half. Loved that defensive shift.

(02-23-2020 07:40 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  the bench in general gave very good minutes today (holding serve to give the starters a much needed blow) I was very nervous in the first half when Brannen subbed out everyone but Trey but the bench came in and gave 4-5 really good minutes even adding to the lead a little.

In the second half Mamadou came in for Vogt and drained a 3 and the crowd went nuts.

Everyone contributed and everyone's effort was needed.

At this point I think the Bearcats live rent free in the shockers heads...WSU comes so close to the W only to have it snatched away.

Those weren't very good, they were great minutes. 26 pts off the bench for us is crazy. Not to mention other than Jaevin's 1/8 from 3 they shot the ball well. Cumberland's stats are crazy. 24 pts and made 3 shots. He's a warrior. These guys are getting a week off at the right time. Sometimes it's difficult to watch, but i like this team. Here's to hoping Harvey finishes strong. He looks a lot more confident out there. Kids a really good athlete.

(02-23-2020 05:06 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 04:53 PM)Nasty Nati 513 Wrote:  How do we revoke Vogt’s scholarship?

Man every time a player hits a rough patch suddenly they're completely replaceable. Let these kids work through their issues. We'll be better for it.

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no ****. season would already be over if Vogt wasnt on the squad

Some thoughts from the game...

1) I can't stand the left-right chant, and after seeing Dennis playing the student section, they need to stop that. I have no idea, why but that really annoyed me. Dennis sat down right as Cumberland shot his free throw, and the not very bright students yelled "sit down" making him miss.

2) Vogt is hurt. I think it is a lingering issue from the hook he recieved in the Houston game I think. It is affecting his ability to finish. Teams have also figured him out some as well. His defense has improved.

3) Keith is hurt too. Hopefully minor.

4) UC must lead the country in charges. I am all about getting in the lane, but you need to have a plan when you go in there. Keith tends to just go into a crowd and flail hoping to get fouled.

5) Love both Cumberlands confidence, but some of their shot selection is just silly, and usually are so bad they are like live ball turnovers. I doubt this is going to change.

(02-23-2020 01:55 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:41 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:36 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  We are soooo ******* bad on offense.

So bad

Jarron was smarter than Brannen, so this is what we got. Looks nothing like Brannen's original scheme.

I think Brannen has been forced into this. We were playing much faster earlier in the year but moving Jarron to PG with his limited athleticism and TO tendencies changed the preferred pace. I think you'll see a much different style next year with the athleticism of MAW, KW, Saunders, etc.

This isn't a criticism of Jarron. He's just not what I think Brannen prefers, length and athleticism. Better fit for a slower paced Cronin style.

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Senior year Jarron is going to be by far the best player Brannen has in his first 5 years at minimum. I give Coach a ton of credit for changing things up to better suit Cumberland.

Yall do realize that Wichita St is a really good defensive team. Just saying that might have something to do with it.

Six straight over Greg Marshall. I just wish his lovely sophisticated wife had been at the game!

Wichita St. looks like our new Uconn.

(02-24-2020 09:43 AM)dsquare Wrote:  Wichita St. looks like our new Uconn.

Wichita State actually makes the tournament

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(02-24-2020 01:50 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:55 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:41 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:36 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  We are soooo ******* bad on offense.

So bad

Jarron was smarter than Brannen, so this is what we got. Looks nothing like Brannen's original scheme.

I think Brannen has been forced into this. We were playing much faster earlier in the year but moving Jarron to PG with his limited athleticism and TO tendencies changed the preferred pace. I think you'll see a much different style next year with the athleticism of MAW, KW, Saunders, etc.

This isn't a criticism of Jarron. He's just not what I think Brannen prefers, length and athleticism. Better fit for a slower paced Cronin style.

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Senior year Jarron is going to be by far the best player Brannen has in his first 5 years at minimum. I give Coach a ton of credit for changing things up to better suit Cumberland.

If you are correct, Brannen is really going to struggle, and might not make it.

(02-23-2020 10:24 PM)jarr Wrote:  Some thoughts from the game...

1) I can't stand the left-right chant, and after seeing Dennis playing the student section, they need to stop that. I have no idea, why but that really annoyed me. Dennis sat down right as Cumberland shot his free throw, and the not very bright students yelled "sit down" making him miss.

2) Vogt is hurt. I think it is a lingering issue from the hook he recieved in the Houston game I think. It is affecting his ability to finish. Teams have also figured him out some as well. His defense has improved.

3) Keith is hurt too. Hopefully minor.

4) UC must lead the country in charges. I am all about getting in the lane, but you need to have a plan when you go in there. Keith tends to just go into a crowd and flail hoping to get fouled.

5) Love both Cumberlands confidence, but some of their shot selection is just silly, and usually are so bad they are like live ball turnovers. I doubt this is going to change.

We also seem to get absolutely hammered on bad charge calls. Hell, I counted at least 4 times in the game last night where Echinique didn't even try to play defense, just stood there and tried to draw a charge for 4s.

I honestly think the charge rules need modified. A charge should punish an out-of-control offensive player, not be a substitute for defense.

(02-24-2020 10:54 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 01:50 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:55 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:41 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:36 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  We are soooo ******* bad on offense.

So bad

Jarron was smarter than Brannen, so this is what we got. Looks nothing like Brannen's original scheme.

I think Brannen has been forced into this. We were playing much faster earlier in the year but moving Jarron to PG with his limited athleticism and TO tendencies changed the preferred pace. I think you'll see a much different style next year with the athleticism of MAW, KW, Saunders, etc.

This isn't a criticism of Jarron. He's just not what I think Brannen prefers, length and athleticism. Better fit for a slower paced Cronin style.

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Senior year Jarron is going to be by far the best player Brannen has in his first 5 years at minimum. I give Coach a ton of credit for changing things up to better suit Cumberland.

If you are correct, Brannen is really going to struggle, and might not make it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sophomore year MAW or Harvey were better than Senior year Jarron next season. Jarron has been playing on one foot all season. He has shot a very pedestrian 39% from the field and 31% from 3. Combine that with his almost 4 turnovers a game and questionable defensive stretches, and I think his production is very replaceable. Now, I might agree with this statement, if he had been fully healthy this season, and taken his game another step from Junior to Senior years that a lot of us expected.

(02-24-2020 10:54 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 01:50 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:55 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:41 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:36 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  We are soooo ******* bad on offense.

So bad

Jarron was smarter than Brannen, so this is what we got. Looks nothing like Brannen's original scheme.

I think Brannen has been forced into this. We were playing much faster earlier in the year but moving Jarron to PG with his limited athleticism and TO tendencies changed the preferred pace. I think you'll see a much different style next year with the athleticism of MAW, KW, Saunders, etc.

This isn't a criticism of Jarron. He's just not what I think Brannen prefers, length and athleticism. Better fit for a slower paced Cronin style.

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Senior year Jarron is going to be by far the best player Brannen has in his first 5 years at minimum. I give Coach a ton of credit for changing things up to better suit Cumberland.

If you are correct, Brannen is really going to struggle, and might not make it.

I meant more Jarron's talent and ability than his actual production this season (not that it's been bad). I don't expect Brannen to have any preseason All Americans in his first recruiting cycle here.

(02-24-2020 11:08 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if Sophomore year MAW or Harvey were better than Senior year Jarron next season. Jarron has been playing on one foot all season. He has shot a very pedestrian 39% from the field and 31% from 3. Combine that with his almost 4 turnovers a game and questionable defensive stretches, and I think his production is very replaceable. Now, I might agree with this statement, if he had been fully healthy this season, and taken his game another step from Junior to Senior years that a lot of us expected.

+1. What I was saying was not to diminish Cumberland who's had a great career. But putting him at PG has had mixed results with high assists but a really high TO rate. I do credit Brannen for the adjustment because I do think it's the best fit for the personnel but just based on the types of guards he's recruited I don't think there's any doubt he wants to run more than he can with the current roster. Jarron is putting up stats because he's a high usage guy but hasn't been very efficient either. I don't think MAW or Harvey will ever approximate the career of JC but hopefully as upper classmen they have better years than JC is having now.

(02-24-2020 11:08 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 10:54 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 01:50 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:55 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:41 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Jarron was smarter than Brannen, so this is what we got. Looks nothing like Brannen's original scheme.

I think Brannen has been forced into this. We were playing much faster earlier in the year but moving Jarron to PG with his limited athleticism and TO tendencies changed the preferred pace. I think you'll see a much different style next year with the athleticism of MAW, KW, Saunders, etc.

This isn't a criticism of Jarron. He's just not what I think Brannen prefers, length and athleticism. Better fit for a slower paced Cronin style.

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Senior year Jarron is going to be by far the best player Brannen has in his first 5 years at minimum. I give Coach a ton of credit for changing things up to better suit Cumberland.

If you are correct, Brannen is really going to struggle, and might not make it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sophomore year MAW or Harvey were better than Senior year Jarron next season. Jarron has been playing on one foot all season. He has shot a very pedestrian 39% from the field and 31% from 3. Combine that with his almost 4 turnovers a game and questionable defensive stretches, and I think his production is very replaceable. Now, I might agree with this statement, if he had been fully healthy this season, and taken his game another step from Junior to Senior years that a lot of us expected.

This is quite the take. Hope you're right, though.

(02-24-2020 07:11 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Yall do realize that Wichita St is a really good defensive team. Just saying that might have something to do with it.

And the UCF game?

Hearing today that he's been battling plantar fasciitis. Some of the up and down makes even more sense with that.