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(02-15-2020 10:26 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 10:09 AM)dsquare Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:56 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Jarron CPOY or not, a foul is a foul. i don’t expect him to get the whistle just bc of “respect” bc he was CPOY last year. That’s dumb. If the other team had the CPOY I wouldn’t want the refs cowtowing and calling fouls just cuz.

On the otherhand, Jarron has gotten the shaft on several calls this year I think were legit fouls- one being the Houston game where he was literally body bumped by two guys and nothing.

He does get his fair share of the calls at times tho, he’s shot more ft’s than anyone else in the conference.

At the end of the day, nobody is perfect especially the refs. Truth be told- he probably should have fouled out last night-couple of those late game blocking fouls coulda gone either way. But given how ****** they called the game in general, I’m glad he didn’t.

For those that have been around for a while it's a very similar thing to Fortson's final junior year. He couldn't get a contact foul to save his life and had one or two guys hammering or hanging all over him on every shot. Huggins said he should go to the Nba as he's better off. The tougher thing for JC is he's got more athletic guards on him who are a lot better at selling contact as charges. Fortson's defenders were typically big kids who didn't fall or try to flop whereas JC's defenders are almost acting in a women's gymnastics competition for perfect landings. That hot dog the other night was working to sell that first flop long before the ball was tossed up. He's a clown. I hope his tight shorts split right down the middle at an opportune time.

IMO, this is a big problem throughout the college game. The NCAA claims they want more scoring, and then they prevent any penetration to the basket by calling charges on damn near every drive to the basket. I really think the refs just like calling charges.

I agree with all this. I just want him to try something else to see if he stops getting 2 quick fouls to start the game and has to sit so much. I think the refs are awful. Precious was fouling using his body almost all night. Quinones flopped I know one time and got the call instead of getting the call.

(02-15-2020 11:39 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 10:56 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 10:50 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 10:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 09:56 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  Brannen has to do a better job at late game management. We were in disarray down two for around 10 secs of the final possession before Tre got fouled. Even my son was yelling call TO and Brannen looked like a fan watching the game instead of taking charge there. I'm happy with the guy overall, but this late game mgmt seems a weakness so far.

Brannen had some really good insight on that specific segment:

Quote:There are no plays you can draw up against the box-and-one, so there was no way I was calling a timeout,” Brannen said. “If I would have called a timeout, they would have been happy I called a timeout, because they would have been able to set the defense again. We had the defense scrambling so I let them make plays.

Sorry, aint buying it. We were extremely lucky not to turn the ball over there. He's covering.

I buy it. A Timeout would have likely meant an inbounds pass into the backcourt, a rush to bring the ball up and then time for a pass to one player before a shot. And it would not have been Cumberland because of the defense.

Bobby Knight used to say he never called timeouts at the end of games. If his players didn't know what to do, then he had already failed as a coach.

Na, there was plenty of time left. I think something like 10 secs left still when Tre went to line. I'm ok not calling timeout to the start of sequence, but after your team is in disarray for 10 secs almost turning the ball over a couple of times you got to take control and get a timeout to settle it down and ensure no turnover. Not sure how to access the replay, but it was pretty obvious this needed to happen, surprised by the comments here.

I think it's usually the right move to not call a timeout. Bobby Knight famously let his offense play it out in the 1987 title game. Jay Wright did call a timeout in 2016, although with much less time.

In any case, I agree with bcat1997 here. Once it was clear that the offense was running ragged, I thought Brannen should have called a timeout. We got lucky that they called a foul.

I also don't really understand his explanation about the box-and-1. I guess he means there's no set play you can call against it? I can't quite remember how much time was left when things started going sideways in that possession, but it seems like there would have been enough time to just run the offense?

(02-15-2020 01:07 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 11:39 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 10:56 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 10:50 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 10:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Brannen had some really good insight on that specific segment:

Sorry, aint buying it. We were extremely lucky not to turn the ball over there. He's covering.

I buy it. A Timeout would have likely meant an inbounds pass into the backcourt, a rush to bring the ball up and then time for a pass to one player before a shot. And it would not have been Cumberland because of the defense.

Bobby Knight used to say he never called timeouts at the end of games. If his players didn't know what to do, then he had already failed as a coach.

Na, there was plenty of time left. I think something like 10 secs left still when Tre went to line. I'm ok not calling timeout to the start of sequence, but after your team is in disarray for 10 secs almost turning the ball over a couple of times you got to take control and get a timeout to settle it down and ensure no turnover. Not sure how to access the replay, but it was pretty obvious this needed to happen, surprised by the comments here.

I think it's usually the right move to not call a timeout. Bobby Knight famously let his offense play it out in the 1987 title game. Jay Wright did call a timeout in 2016, although with much less time.

In any case, I agree with bcat1997 here. Once it was clear that the offense was running ragged, I thought Brannen should have called a timeout. We got lucky that they called a foul.

I also don't really understand his explanation about the box-and-1. I guess he means there's no set play you can call against it? I can't quite remember how much time was left when things started going sideways in that possession, but it seems like there would have been enough time to just run the offense?

Not really lucky with that. Defense was extended and scrambling. MAW found Scott slashing to the rim. It's probably a dunk or layup if Memphis doesn't foul.

(02-15-2020 12:35 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:56 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Jarron CPOY or not, a foul is a foul. i don’t expect him to get the whistle just bc of “respect” bc he was CPOY last year. That’s dumb. If the other team had the CPOY I wouldn’t want the refs cowtowing and calling fouls just cuz.

On the otherhand, Jarron has gotten the shaft on several calls this year I think were legit fouls- one being the Houston game where he was literally body bumped by two guys and nothing.

He does get his fair share of the calls at times tho, he’s shot more ft’s than anyone else in the conference.

At the end of the day, nobody is perfect especially the refs. Truth be told- he probably should have fouled out last night-couple of those late game blocking fouls coulda gone either way. But given how ****** they called the game in general, I’m glad he didn’t.

And yet it happens...regardless of your thoughts on the matter. it's more egregious at the NBA level but if you don't think that NBA prospects aren't protected i have a bridge to sell you. it isn't always about getting the whistle. Sometimes it's about no-calls and keeping a player out of foul trouble. There's a reason why strength don't defend strength in game. That's why Tre didn't defend Precious for most of the game last night even though he was the best defender against Precious. He's the pro prospect and Tre is not but Tre was the only one getting buckets for us so we couldn't afford to have Tre get in foul trouble.

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen.

I’m just saying it shouldn’t happen. And I don’t expect the refs to start blowing the and 1’s as soon as Cumberland steps on the court.

Cumberland seems to get called for charges when he is on the break with a head of steam, and way less likely to see that called in the half-court when he beats the guy off a pick or something.

It is what it is. Personally, I think he gets plenty of calls, but with his reputation of being a bully to the rim he’s going to get a few to go against him as well.

His vision up the floor during the fast break is what is really setting him apart this year. This is the uptempo play we have been promised that Mick could never deliver. It’s fun to watch. UC fastbreaks used to be nailbiters, now they are like getting a check in the mail.

watched the condensed game. thought cumberland looked fine; his usual head of steam. jc's shot wasn't that off