(02-03-2020 09:46 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  Sounds like OTP has inside info.....

What would they say about playing in NIT games versus winning the CAA Tournament and playing an NCAA game(s) OTP?

I read from her cryptic message the players may not be happy with Sean?

My point was that everyone PROJECTS. No, I do not have any inside information. I did once have inside information at Tennessee, but those days are gone. Anyway, some people are projecting THEIR feelings on what the team may or may not be thinking, and that's not fair to the team.

Now this may not apply to JMU, but here's a hypothetical situation. Consider a team like, say, Towson, which is a perennial contender but not usually a conference champion or playing in the NCAA. How does their coach recruit? Maybe she talks to them about *trying* to get there, I don't know and neither do you. Same with Drexel, which HAS done those things, though not as often as JMU. But you can bet they talk about playing in the post-season, whichever tournament it is. And that does mean a good deal, I expect, especially if you're considering a mid-major. It would be different if you're recruiting for, or considering, a P5. Most of these young women are looking for an opportunity to continue playing a game they love, and most (not all, sadly) are also looking to get an education. There are schools which seldom or never play in the post-season but have to continue to recruit; they do manage to get some decent players and they strive to improve. Anyway, for a mid-major player, my suspicion is that playing in the post-season at all is a very good thing. Getting to the NCAA is the ice cream sundae with a cherry on top, BUT it isn't going to happen for most of them and they know it. Further, almost all of the mids get killed in the first or second round. It's a rarity to make the Sweet 16. Last time I saw JMU in the NCAA they looked horrible getting murdered by DePaul, and that was one of our really GOOD teams. Last time I saw them in the WNIT, they looked pretty darn good and made it to the semis where they lost to Northwestern but put up a hell of a fight. (Northwestern, with most of the same team, is contending for the B1G this year). So those are my thoughts on it. Yours undoubtedly differ, but you have to remember that I come from a high-powered P5 situation so I will have a very different perspective.

(02-04-2020 10:51 AM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  My point was that everyone PROJECTS. No, I do not have any inside information. I did once have inside information at Tennessee, but those days are gone. Anyway, some people are projecting THEIR feelings on what the team may or may not be thinking, and that's not fair to the team.

Now this may not apply to JMU, but here's a hypothetical situation. Consider a team like, say, Towson, which is a perennial contender but not usually a conference champion or playing in the NCAA. How does their coach recruit? Maybe she talks to them about *trying* to get there, I don't know and neither do you. Same with Drexel, which HAS done those things, though not as often as JMU. But you can bet they talk about playing in the post-season, whichever tournament it is. And that does mean a good deal, I expect, especially if you're considering a mid-major. It would be different if you're recruiting for, or considering, a P5. Most of these young women are looking for an opportunity to continue playing a game they love, and most (not all, sadly) are also looking to get an education. There are schools which seldom or never play in the post-season but have to continue to recruit; they do manage to get some decent players and they strive to improve. Anyway, for a mid-major player, my suspicion is that playing in the post-season at all is a very good thing. Getting to the NCAA is the ice cream sundae with a cherry on top, BUT it isn't going to happen for most of them and they know it. Further, almost all of the mids get killed in the first or second round. It's a rarity to make the Sweet 16. Last time I saw JMU in the NCAA they looked horrible getting murdered by DePaul, and that was one of our really GOOD teams. Last time I saw them in the WNIT, they looked pretty darn good and made it to the semis where they lost to Northwestern but put up a hell of a fight. (Northwestern, with most of the same team, is contending for the B1G this year). So those are my thoughts on it. Yours undoubtedly differ, but you have to remember that I come from a high-powered P5 situation so I will have a very different perspective.

Yeah little old JMU could never compete. We should be happy with the WNIT because that's where we belong. We can't dream of adjusting our playing style away from volume shooting. We're just a mid-major & should know our place. We got murdered by DePaul that time, so there's no hope to improve.

I guess they forgot to tell that to ODU in the Wendy Larry era.

(02-04-2020 12:03 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 10:51 AM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  My point was that everyone PROJECTS. No, I do not have any inside information. I did once have inside information at Tennessee, but those days are gone. Anyway, some people are projecting THEIR feelings on what the team may or may not be thinking, and that's not fair to the team.

Now this may not apply to JMU, but here's a hypothetical situation. Consider a team like, say, Towson, which is a perennial contender but not usually a conference champion or playing in the NCAA. How does their coach recruit? Maybe she talks to them about *trying* to get there, I don't know and neither do you. Same with Drexel, which HAS done those things, though not as often as JMU. But you can bet they talk about playing in the post-season, whichever tournament it is. And that does mean a good deal, I expect, especially if you're considering a mid-major. It would be different if you're recruiting for, or considering, a P5. Most of these young women are looking for an opportunity to continue playing a game they love, and most (not all, sadly) are also looking to get an education. There are schools which seldom or never play in the post-season but have to continue to recruit; they do manage to get some decent players and they strive to improve. Anyway, for a mid-major player, my suspicion is that playing in the post-season at all is a very good thing. Getting to the NCAA is the ice cream sundae with a cherry on top, BUT it isn't going to happen for most of them and they know it. Further, almost all of the mids get killed in the first or second round. It's a rarity to make the Sweet 16. Last time I saw JMU in the NCAA they looked horrible getting murdered by DePaul, and that was one of our really GOOD teams. Last time I saw them in the WNIT, they looked pretty darn good and made it to the semis where they lost to Northwestern but put up a hell of a fight. (Northwestern, with most of the same team, is contending for the B1G this year). So those are my thoughts on it. Yours undoubtedly differ, but you have to remember that I come from a high-powered P5 situation so I will have a very different perspective.

Yeah little old JMU could never compete. We should be happy with the WNIT because that's where we belong. We can't dream of adjusting our playing style away from volume shooting. We're just a mid-major & should know our place. We got murdered by DePaul that time, so there's no hope to improve.

Thank you so much for misinterpreting my comment, as I knew you would. I gather you totally missed my first sentence.

(02-04-2020 12:07 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  I guess they forgot to tell that to ODU in the Wendy Larry era.

Parity was a thing back then. The P5s were not the P5s. Read a little WBB history. Anyone even REMEMBER Immaculata? Of course not.

It's not that I don't understand that WBB is heavily dominated by power conference teams, it's the short-changing of JMU I take issue with. Why are you talking about Towson's postseason goals on our board? Clearly you view JMU as your little JV team you like to support.

Again, thank you so much for misinterpreting my comment. You are reading it through very purple glasses. I mentioned Towson because they are perennial contenders as well as spoilers, and it's possible they *may* be right up there with Drexel at some point. I do believe they've screwed JMU over more than once...

I am not short-changing JMU. I do believe, however, that I am being realistic in my assessment of mid-major programs *in general* in their competition with the P5s. The last mids to get anywhere in the NCAA were Missouri State, which made the Sweet 16 last year, and Princeton, which is debatably a mid. I think the last time there were mids much beyond that was before there was really a distinction, before the P5s really took over everything. That would be right around 2000.

And as for you, Hyper, you can stick it up your nose, because you CLEARLY don't know how I feel about JMU....or much of anything else. That was a snotty-superior, chauvinistic, ignorant comment.

OTP,

Sorry, I'm misinterpreting too. We were a top 40 program for 5-6 years very recently. If our goal and we're happy with making it to the WNIT like a few teams do from the CAA do each year, we got the wrong coach, and I'd be shocked if the players think that way.

I don't personally ask the football players if they are happy just making making the FCS playoffs.

We outplayed and lost at WVU in football in a close game. We've beaten Va Tech. We won the NC in Lacrosse. We made it to I think final 4 in Men's soccer a year or two ago. JMU is going toe to toe with the Pac 12 and SEC schools in softball.

JMU had a 16 point lead in the 4th quarter versus a team (UMD) ranked 10 positions above UT. Right now UT is ranked #23. In the last 10 years there have been 3 different seasons JMU has been ranked higher than that.

Lol, hold on a sec everyone, will be unavailable for a bit as I try to “stick it up my nose”.

I don’t think highly of people who want JMU to be their own small-time, special little thing all for them. JMU WBB’s Div 1 all-time win count is evidence that we don’t need to set our sights as low as other “mid-majors”. Heck, I think we should reject involvement in the Mid-Major poll in general.

And to be as direct as possible, let me also say FU*K TENNESSEE.

(02-04-2020 07:09 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Lol, hold on a sec everyone, will be unavailable for a bit as I try to “stick it up my nose”.

I don’t think highly of people who want JMU to be their own small-time, special little thing all for them. JMU WBB’s Div 1 all-time win count is evidence that we don’t need to set our sights as low as other “mid-majors”. Heck, I think we should reject involvement in the Mid-Major poll in general.

O to P and others of that ilk, who often live within the hburg bubble, are looking through their own purple lenses. For some, those purple lenses show them friends and neighbors and a social scene associated with JMU sports. It’s about the party and socializing, and JMU’s success or place in the nation as a university is not what is important. For others the purple lenses are an affinity for one particular sport or group; again it’s not about JMU in a macro sense. I am not saying all residents of Rockingham Co are like this (see Deez), but I know many who fit this description. They really do not care about JMU. I suspect that O to P fits in one of these groups, but she at least roots for Dukes WBB. And many of the others to which I refer are donors and pour in money, so... it’s all good? They can’t all love JMU like you Hyper..

There is nobody who thinks WNIT is better than NCAAT appearances. They're an OK alternative but the WNIT is not the goal of anyone on JMU's WBB program. Take that to the bank. Specifically the Atlantic Union Bank.

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(02-05-2020 08:33 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  There is nobody who thinks WNIT is better than NCAAT appearances. They're an OK alternative but the WNIT is not the goal of anyone on JMU's WBB program. Take that to the bank. Specifically the Atlantic Union Bank.

Coach O agrees with that and he's said it plenty of times. As good as this team is we shouldn't be falling short in the tournament like we have.
I really like Coach O, but if the team keeps under-performing he could be in trouble. I think his job is safe right now, but that seat is going to get hot if this team keeps missing expectations.

(02-05-2020 12:06 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 08:33 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  There is nobody who thinks WNIT is better than NCAAT appearances. They're an OK alternative but the WNIT is not the goal of anyone on JMU's WBB program. Take that to the bank. Specifically the Atlantic Union Bank.

Coach O agrees with that and he's said it plenty of times. As good as this team is we shouldn't be falling short in the tournament like we have.
I really like Coach O, but if the team keeps under-performing he could be in trouble. I think his job is safe right now, but that seat is going to get hot if this team keeps missing expectations.

He's good enough to extend, but we've certainly taken a decent step back. I keep hoping we get the breakthrough win, but it will only get harder next season.

(02-05-2020 08:16 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  O to P and others of that ilk, who often live within the hburg bubble, are looking through their own purple lenses. For some, those purple lenses show them friends and neighbors and a social scene associated with JMU sports. It’s about the party and socializing, and JMU’s success or place in the nation as a university is not what is important. For others the purple lenses are an affinity for one particular sport or group; again it’s not about JMU in a macro sense. I am not saying all residents of Rockingham Co are like this (see Deez), but I know many who fit this description. They really do not care about JMU. I suspect that O to P fits in one of these groups, but she at least roots for Dukes WBB. And many of the others to which I refer are donors and pour in money, so... it’s all good? They can’t all love JMU like you Hyper..

I don't particularly care if she loves JMU as much as me, it's when she pontificates about JMU's "place" as a mid-major as if she's some WBB insider that grinds my gears. Attending UTK doesn't make you a WBB genius, no matter how many AD staffers you know. UConn WBB fans irritate me in the exact same way. No one else can possibly know about WBB like they do. They truly think they know more.

Yup. Sounds good.

Well at least that's over with and we can all move on now!

(02-05-2020 01:21 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Yup. Sounds good.

Well, it’s neither orange nor purple, but her true colors are showing. Geez.