(02-16-2020 08:56 AM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  Why not just build the stadium where Greasey Field and tennis complex are? Then move those facilities to where Temple originally wanted to build the stadium? You’d receive less push back from residence putting tennis courts and a grassy field there in a neighborhood

Temple's original plan for OCS is already on property Temple owns. You can try to move it to another spot, you will be met with the same resistance. Other than smack center in the university, it will be a battle.

(02-17-2020 05:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Given that this is an AAC message board, it's probably important for most readers to know that the quality of the game day experience in Philadelphia is outstanding at Temple's current home field. In addition, the ticket prices and seating locations are incredibly good.

With all due respect I attended the Coogs game at Temple back in '17, and imho to describe the game day experience as "outstanding" is a huge stretch. No amount of amenities can make up for the mausoleum-like vibe of a 2/3 empty pro stadium.

(02-19-2020 02:26 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 05:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Given that this is an AAC message board, it's probably important for most readers to know that the quality of the game day experience in Philadelphia is outstanding at Temple's current home field. In addition, the ticket prices and seating locations are incredibly good.

With all due respect I attended the Coogs game at Temple back in '17, and imho to describe the game day experience as "outstanding" is a huge stretch. No amount of amenities can make up for the mausoleum-like vibe of a 2/3 empty pro stadium.

It's better than you're giving it credit for.

(02-19-2020 02:26 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 05:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Given that this is an AAC message board, it's probably important for most readers to know that the quality of the game day experience in Philadelphia is outstanding at Temple's current home field. In addition, the ticket prices and seating locations are incredibly good.

With all due respect I attended the Coogs game at Temple back in '17, and imho to describe the game day experience as "outstanding" is a huge stretch. No amount of amenities can make up for the mausoleum-like vibe of a 2/3 empty pro stadium.

As opposed to a 2/3 empty college stadium.

(02-19-2020 02:26 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 05:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Given that this is an AAC message board, it's probably important for most readers to know that the quality of the game day experience in Philadelphia is outstanding at Temple's current home field. In addition, the ticket prices and seating locations are incredibly good.

With all due respect I attended the Coogs game at Temple back in '17, and imho to describe the game day experience as "outstanding" is a huge stretch. No amount of amenities can make up for the mausoleum-like vibe of a 2/3 empty pro stadium.

Seems to me that you're having a bit of a "pity party" here.

Your enjoyment of a game doesn't have to be dependent on the size or enthusiasm of the crowd.

If it ruins the experience for you, that's on you. In other words, you're not doomed to misery, just because the crowd is skimpy. It's all the way you look at it. The glass may be half-empty (not enough fans), but it's also half-full (great view of the game, great seats, great amenities, cheap tickets, nice tailgating!).

Here's an example: I went to see the Owls play South Carolina at Madison Square Garden a couple years ago. There were maybe 100-200 Temple fans in the whole building. I could have gotten bummed out by that fact and let it ruin the whole experience.

But I just shrugged it off and enjoyed the game, and had a hell of a great time. Q Rose made a last second 3/4 court alley-oop type "pass"
that swished through the hoop just before the buzzer. I shall never forget it. The memory is emblazoned on my mind. I could have been the only Temple fan in the building, and it wouldn't have mattered one iota.

Next time, just go there and ignore the crowd. Just watch the game and enjoy the hell out of it. You can do it, believe me...

The game day atmosphere at the Linc for Temple is not the worse. It's probably better than two or three AAC teams. But if you go to an Eagles game like I did and then the following week attend a Temple game in the same stadium. The atmosphere is completely different.

It takes at least 50k fans in that stadium to make it appear loud to visiting teams. Additionally the Eagles don't open all of the concession areas when Temple plays.

I give the Eagles an "A" for game day atmosphere. I give the Owls a "C+".

The plus is for ample and easy to pull into parking, concessions and beer, good sightlines, excellent video replay screens. Also the tailgating is very good.
All is not lost at the Linc. It's a good stadium. It's just too far from campus and too darn big for the level of football that we play ...
For fans this season both the Rutgers game and homecoming USF game should get heavy turnout ... maybe we hit 40k ...

(02-20-2020 04:28 AM)Philly Brian Wrote:  The game day atmosphere at the Linc for Temple is not the worse. It's probably better than two or three AAC teams. But if you go to an Eagles game like I did and then the following week attend a Temple game in the same stadium. The atmosphere is completely different.

It takes at least 50k fans in that stadium to make it appear loud to visiting teams. Additionally the Eagles don't open all of the concession areas when Temple plays.

I give the Eagles an "A" for game day atmosphere. I give the Owls a "C+".

The plus is for ample and easy to pull into parking, concessions and beer, good sightlines, excellent video replay screens. Also the tailgating is very good.
All is not lost at the Linc. It's a good stadium. It's just too far from campus and too darn big for the level of football that we play ...
For fans this season both the Rutgers game and homecoming USF game should get heavy turnout ... maybe we hit 40k ...

It's a great stadium.

Visiting fans don't give a damn what the attendance is. They just want to be able to sit in comfortable seats and have a great view of the game. Guaranteed at the Linc.

For fans of visiting AAC teams, it's an ideal location, not far from the airport, or from downtown Philly (a short subway trip).

Lincoln Financial Field is a high-end NFL stadium, and Philadelphia is one of the nation's great cities. Great entertainment, great dining, great history, and a lovely old city with all the history you can ask for, a patriot's dream.

As a tourist destination, Philly may be #2 AAC just below New Orleans, especially for those who'd enjoy a day trip to NYC.

Temple fans must come across here as spoiled brats, complaining about the fact that the stadium is a half-hour subway trip away from the main campus - an easy straight shot downtown for two or three bucks.

If it were a piss-poor stadium, that would be one thing, but this is one of the nation's top FB stadiums, with all the bells & whistles that money can buy, and the tailgating is legendary. After the game, the dining and entertainment options are second to none.

(02-20-2020 04:28 AM)Philly Brian Wrote:  The game day atmosphere at the Linc for Temple is not the worse. It's probably better than two or three AAC teams. But if you go to an Eagles game like I did and then the following week attend a Temple game in the same stadium. The atmosphere is completely different.

It takes at least 50k fans in that stadium to make it appear loud to visiting teams. Additionally the Eagles don't open all of the concession areas when Temple plays.

I give the Eagles an "A" for game day atmosphere. I give the Owls a "C+".

The plus is for ample and easy to pull into parking, concessions and beer, good sightlines, excellent video replay screens. Also the tailgating is very good.
All is not lost at the Linc. It's a good stadium. It's just too far from campus and too darn big for the level of football that we play ...
For fans this season both the Rutgers game and homecoming USF game should get heavy turnout ... maybe we hit 40k ...

The Rutgers game should have at least 35k if Rutgers starts out at 2 and 0. After the Temple game Rutgers heads into the B-10 meat grinder opening their conference schedule at Ohio State. If Rutgers starts out at 3 and 0 they are half way to bowl eligibility under returning coach Schiano with games against Illinois, Purdue, Maryland, and down in the dumps Michigan State. Wouldn't count on bowl eligibility Schiano's first year back but this is the type of schedule Rutgers needs to make a bowl, which would be the limit for Rutgers with games against Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State every year. At any rate I'll be there game day. Enjoy -

(02-19-2020 05:53 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 02:26 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 05:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Given that this is an AAC message board, it's probably important for most readers to know that the quality of the game day experience in Philadelphia is outstanding at Temple's current home field. In addition, the ticket prices and seating locations are incredibly good.

With all due respect I attended the Coogs game at Temple back in '17, and imho to describe the game day experience as "outstanding" is a huge stretch. No amount of amenities can make up for the mausoleum-like vibe of a 2/3 empty pro stadium.

As opposed to a 2/3 empty college stadium.

Where players love the new transfer rules.

(02-20-2020 05:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 04:28 AM)Philly Brian Wrote:  The game day atmosphere at the Linc for Temple is not the worse. It's probably better than two or three AAC teams. But if you go to an Eagles game like I did and then the following week attend a Temple game in the same stadium. The atmosphere is completely different.

It takes at least 50k fans in that stadium to make it appear loud to visiting teams. Additionally the Eagles don't open all of the concession areas when Temple plays.

I give the Eagles an "A" for game day atmosphere. I give the Owls a "C+".

The plus is for ample and easy to pull into parking, concessions and beer, good sightlines, excellent video replay screens. Also the tailgating is very good.
All is not lost at the Linc. It's a good stadium. It's just too far from campus and too darn big for the level of football that we play ...
For fans this season both the Rutgers game and homecoming USF game should get heavy turnout ... maybe we hit 40k ...

It's a great stadium.

Visiting fans don't give a damn what the attendance is. They just want to be able to sit in comfortable seats and have a great view of the game. Guaranteed at the Linc.

For fans of visiting AAC teams, it's an ideal location, not far from the airport, or from downtown Philly (a short subway trip).

Lincoln Financial Field is a high-end NFL stadium, and Philadelphia is one of the nation's great cities. Great entertainment, great dining, great history, and a lovely old city with all the history you can ask for, a patriot's dream.

As a tourist destination, Philly may be #2 AAC just below New Orleans, especially for those who'd enjoy a day trip to NYC.

Temple fans must come across here as spoiled brats, complaining about the fact that the stadium is a half-hour subway trip away from the main campus - an easy straight shot downtown for two or three bucks.

If it were a piss-poor stadium, that would be one thing, but this is one of the nation's top FB stadiums, with all the bells & whistles that money can buy, and the tailgating is legendary. After the game, the dining and entertainment options are second to none.

The issue here is not the quality of the stadium, but the quality of the experience. I have been to college football games all over the country. Seen games at many college stadiums and at 7 NFL stadiums. I find the NFL stadiums to be sterile and for a lack of a better term "without soul". They are awesome venues with all the bells and whistles you could want, but they are removed from the experience. From the music, to the scoreboard, to the seating. They are geared toward the professional experience which is different than the college experience. A prime example of this is when the music and scoreboard out play the band. This rarely happens in college venues. The team's fight songs and cheers are front an center, where at the NFL venues many times the music and sound effects coming from the scoreboard are the main focus. Maybe the same guy is running both games. Who knows. In the college venues the fans seem to be more involved.

As a visiting fan I much prefer scrunched up seating packed into a group of rabid fans than individual seating with cup holders next to the woman in designer jeans, a turtle neck with pearls. But that is just my opinion and I am an old school college football fan.

I think this is all a bit overblown... What matters is the wins and losses. If you are in an NFL city, and there is a NFL stadium right there, the college team can play there. Yes it's 'better' in many regards, but has lots of obvious drawbacks too... It's a yin yang. Outside of message boards, I don't think many really care, as said above so long as there is a great stadium to see your team on or off campus. Some communities just don't want to invest in a stadium on every corner. When the time is right, and the politics are right, USF and Temple will get their OC stadiums.

Temple is interesting, they way I read it they almost HAVE to play at the Linc. So this will get worked out before the season starts. Right?

(02-20-2020 10:45 AM)Bull Wrote:  I think this is all a bit overblown... What matters is the wins and losses. If you are in an NFL city, and there is a NFL stadium right there, the college team can play there. Yes it's 'better' in many regards, but has lots of obvious drawbacks too... It's a yin yang. Outside of message boards, I don't think many really care, as said above so long as there is a great stadium to see your team on or off campus. Some communities just don't want to invest in a stadium on every corner. When the time is right, and the politics are right, USF and Temple will get their OC stadiums.

Temple is interesting, they way I read it they almost HAVE to play at the Linc. So this will get worked out before the season starts. Right?

It was worked out.

(02-19-2020 04:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 02:26 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 05:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Given that this is an AAC message board, it's probably important for most readers to know that the quality of the game day experience in Philadelphia is outstanding at Temple's current home field. In addition, the ticket prices and seating locations are incredibly good.

With all due respect I attended the Coogs game at Temple back in '17, and imho to describe the game day experience as "outstanding" is a huge stretch. No amount of amenities can make up for the mausoleum-like vibe of a 2/3 empty pro stadium.

It's better than you're giving it credit for.

Sorry, but it really isn't.

I know of what I speak. When I was a kid I attended several UH games at the Astrodome. On a good day there would be 25k fans in a stadium that sat twice that number. It was, in a word, a buzzkill.

Amenities, parking, recruiting...Coog homers used to say the same things about the Dome. I thought they were wrong then, and I think ya'll are wrong now. Imo there is no substitute for the experience of football at an on campus stadium.

(02-20-2020 11:23 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 04:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 02:26 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 05:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Given that this is an AAC message board, it's probably important for most readers to know that the quality of the game day experience in Philadelphia is outstanding at Temple's current home field. In addition, the ticket prices and seating locations are incredibly good.

With all due respect I attended the Coogs game at Temple back in '17, and imho to describe the game day experience as "outstanding" is a huge stretch. No amount of amenities can make up for the mausoleum-like vibe of a 2/3 empty pro stadium.

It's better than you're giving it credit for.

Sorry, but it really isn't.

I know of what I speak. When I was a kid I attended several UH games at the Astrodome. On a good day there would be 25k fans in a stadium that sat twice that number. It was, in a word, a buzzkill.

Amenities, parking, recruiting...Coog homers used to say the same things about the Dome. I thought they were wrong then, and I think ya'll are wrong now. Imo there is no substitute for the experience of football at an on campus stadium.

You've been to one game here ever. I've had season tickets since I was a student. I think I'd know better than you.

I can be a very vindictive person, I would completely shut off the Temple Campus to the local community and bring all the business on campus under university control and see how tough the local community and politicians really are... Destroy all local commerce benefiting from Temples presence in the community.

(02-23-2020 04:17 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I can be a very vindictive person, I would completely shut off the Temple Campus to the local community and bring all the business on campus under university control and see how tough the local community and politicians really are... Destroy all local commerce benefiting from Temples presence in the community.

T.M.I.

(02-20-2020 09:05 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 05:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 04:28 AM)Philly Brian Wrote:  The game day atmosphere at the Linc for Temple is not the worse. It's probably better than two or three AAC teams. But if you go to an Eagles game like I did and then the following week attend a Temple game in the same stadium. The atmosphere is completely different.

It takes at least 50k fans in that stadium to make it appear loud to visiting teams. Additionally the Eagles don't open all of the concession areas when Temple plays.

I give the Eagles an "A" for game day atmosphere. I give the Owls a "C+".

The plus is for ample and easy to pull into parking, concessions and beer, good sightlines, excellent video replay screens. Also the tailgating is very good.
All is not lost at the Linc. It's a good stadium. It's just too far from campus and too darn big for the level of football that we play ...
For fans this season both the Rutgers game and homecoming USF game should get heavy turnout ... maybe we hit 40k ...

It's a great stadium.

Visiting fans don't give a damn what the attendance is. They just want to be able to sit in comfortable seats and have a great view of the game. Guaranteed at the Linc.

For fans of visiting AAC teams, it's an ideal location, not far from the airport, or from downtown Philly (a short subway trip).

Lincoln Financial Field is a high-end NFL stadium, and Philadelphia is one of the nation's great cities. Great entertainment, great dining, great history, and a lovely old city with all the history you can ask for, a patriot's dream.

As a tourist destination, Philly may be #2 AAC just below New Orleans, especially for those who'd enjoy a day trip to NYC.

Temple fans must come across here as spoiled brats, complaining about the fact that the stadium is a half-hour subway trip away from the main campus - an easy straight shot downtown for two or three bucks.

If it were a piss-poor stadium, that would be one thing, but this is one of the nation's top FB stadiums, with all the bells & whistles that money can buy, and the tailgating is legendary. After the game, the dining and entertainment options are second to none.

The issue here is not the quality of the stadium, but the quality of the experience. I have been to college football games all over the country. Seen games at many college stadiums and at 7 NFL stadiums. I find the NFL stadiums to be sterile and for a lack of a better term "without soul". They are awesome venues with all the bells and whistles you could want, but they are removed from the experience. From the music, to the scoreboard, to the seating. They are geared toward the professional experience which is different than the college experience. A prime example of this is when the music and scoreboard out play the band. This rarely happens in college venues. The team's fight songs and cheers are front an center, where at the NFL venues many times the music and sound effects coming from the scoreboard are the main focus. Maybe the same guy is running both games. Who knows. In the college venues the fans seem to be more involved.

As a visiting fan I much prefer scrunched up seating packed into a group of rabid fans than individual seating with cup holders next to the woman in designer jeans, a turtle neck with pearls. But that is just my opinion and I am an old school college football fan.

It's understandable that a man might prefer to "scrunch up" next to "a woman in designer jeans and a turtle neck with pearls," as opposed to a plastic cup holder.

(02-20-2020 10:45 AM)Bull Wrote:  I think this is all a bit overblown... What matters is the wins and losses. If you are in an NFL city, and there is a NFL stadium right there, the college team can play there. Yes it's 'better' in many regards, but has lots of obvious drawbacks too... It's a yin yang. Outside of message boards, I don't think many really care, as said above so long as there is a great stadium to see your team on or off campus. Some communities just don't want to invest in a stadium on every corner. When the time is right, and the politics are right, USF and Temple will get their OC stadiums.

Temple is interesting, they way I read it they almost HAVE to play at the Linc. So this will get worked out before the season starts. Right?

Agreed.

Winning solves everything. Paying rent isn’t so bad when your a consistent top 25 and there is demand for tickets. Being in a conference that consistently provides top 25 matchups in conference play helps a lot.

We all are going to get a pay bump with the new tv deal. This is the AAC, we can afford rent and we can afford to build OCS. It’s program preference where they decide to spend their money.

Debating OCS vs Rental ad nauseam is pointless. We all have capable ADs who do the proper research required to serve our individual program interests.

If Temple goes undefeated, no one is going to say but they don’t have an OCS.

Temple's OCS appears to be dead in the water so they will be playing at the LINC for a very long time. Is there any available land down around the South Philly Sports Complex that Temple might be able to buy to build a stadium on.

(02-19-2020 10:35 AM)Off_The_Hook Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 08:56 AM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  Why not just build the stadium where Greasey Field and tennis complex are? Then move those facilities to where Temple originally wanted to build the stadium? You’d receive less push back from residence putting tennis courts and a grassy field there in a neighborhood

Temple's original plan for OCS is already on property Temple owns. You can try to move it to another spot, you will be met with the same resistance. Other than smack center in the university, it will be a battle.

Pay (bribe) the "community" leaders.