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(01-31-2020 11:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 10:56 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:39 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:34 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  If we have to wait 3 years to ditch this nepotistic hire my head is going to explode.

1 ncaa tourney bid and no at larges in 7 years and a complete disaster of a team in year 7 does NOT deserve 3 more years. Absolutely hell to the no.

This current sophomore class is going to be very good if it stays together. Just need a few more pieces.

Very good is extremely relative.

Good enough to win CUSA? Maybe.

Good enough to get an at large under the tutelage of Jeff jones?

Nah i don’t see it and i wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you.

I'm as disappointed in this season so far as anyone. Losing to JMU is simply inexcusable. Maybe I'm s victim of low expectations for the 2020 team from here on out.

But I still hold that this thread in premature. We're talking about reigning CUSA Coach Of The Year. In 2019, JJ...

• Beat W&M and VCU (I know, beating W&M should be expected)
• Won a signature game (at Syracuse)
• Beat MTSU
• Won the Regular Season Title
• Won the CUSA Tourmament Title
• Improved Recruiting
• Won the forementioned coach of the year
  

So while I hold that 1 title in 7 years is below ODU Standards, we're currently talking about 1 title in 1 year.

My main criticism of JJ leading up to last season was his lack of recruiting. He simply hasn't landed many freshmen, period. Talley, Caver, and Carver were his first 3 if I'm not mistaken. The "pure shooter" experiment went up in smoke with the departure of Hueitt and Godwin.

However, this sophomore class of Wade, Ezikpe, Reece, and Oliver is starting to look real good, and I think that JJ earned the right last year to develop them. I think we expected way too much of Oliver in his first few games, but he's turning into the player that we thought he would be, and we have him for two more years (we hope). The player development of Curry and Reece has been phenomenal so far, and JJ deserves credit, whether one likes his approach or not. For Reece in particular, the sky is the limit. If Wade can make it completely back, you add a big man to this bunch and continue to develop them, we could easily see a top 50 team within two years. Maybe sooner, and maybe better.

According to JJ, Hunter's issue is with nerves, and I can speak from experience that the only cure for that is playing time. Let's hope he can get some this year.

In short, it's way too soon to blow up what could potential be one of our best teams come 2022, especially coming off of last year.

Now if this bunch falls short, then we can have this discussion.

So 1 NCAAT in 8 or 9 years is good enough for you? Sorry, the clock doesn't reset when you aren't able to maintain success. If the team was good this year and didn't make the NCAAT, that would bolster your argument, but that isn't the case. The recruiting has dipped back to previous levels since that one solid class, and the team has taken a huge step backward in terms of success on the court. The reset has been negated at this point. We have to look at the totality, since last year looks more like an outlier than a trend at this point.

I would say that this year is more of an outlier than anything else so I don't understand that comment.

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(01-31-2020 11:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 11:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 10:56 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:39 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  This current sophomore class is going to be very good if it stays together. Just need a few more pieces.

Very good is extremely relative.

Good enough to win CUSA? Maybe.

Good enough to get an at large under the tutelage of Jeff jones?

Nah i don’t see it and i wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you.

I'm as disappointed in this season so far as anyone. Losing to JMU is simply inexcusable. Maybe I'm s victim of low expectations for the 2020 team from here on out.

But I still hold that this thread in premature. We're talking about reigning CUSA Coach Of The Year. In 2019, JJ...

• Beat W&M and VCU (I know, beating W&M should be expected)
• Won a signature game (at Syracuse)
• Beat MTSU
• Won the Regular Season Title
• Won the CUSA Tourmament Title
• Improved Recruiting
• Won the forementioned coach of the year
  

So while I hold that 1 title in 7 years is below ODU Standards, we're currently talking about 1 title in 1 year.

My main criticism of JJ leading up to last season was his lack of recruiting. He simply hasn't landed many freshmen, period. Talley, Caver, and Carver were his first 3 if I'm not mistaken. The "pure shooter" experiment went up in smoke with the departure of Hueitt and Godwin.

However, this sophomore class of Wade, Ezikpe, Reece, and Oliver is starting to look real good, and I think that JJ earned the right last year to develop them. I think we expected way too much of Oliver in his first few games, but he's turning into the player that we thought he would be, and we have him for two more years (we hope). The player development of Curry and Reece has been phenomenal so far, and JJ deserves credit, whether one likes his approach or not. For Reece in particular, the sky is the limit. If Wade can make it completely back, you add a big man to this bunch and continue to develop them, we could easily see a top 50 team within two years. Maybe sooner, and maybe better.

According to JJ, Hunter's issue is with nerves, and I can speak from experience that the only cure for that is playing time. Let's hope he can get some this year.

In short, it's way too soon to blow up what could potential be one of our best teams come 2022, especially coming off of last year.

Now if this bunch falls short, then we can have this discussion.

So 1 NCAAT in 8 or 9 years is good enough for you? Sorry, the clock doesn't reset when you aren't able to maintain success. If the team was good this year and didn't make the NCAAT, that would bolster your argument, but that isn't the case. The recruiting has dipped back to previous levels since that one solid class, and the team has taken a huge step backward in terms of success on the court. The reset has been negated at this point. We have to look at the totality, since last year looks more like an outlier than a trend at this point.

I would say that this year is more of an outlier than anything else so I don't understand that comment.

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Those numbers tell me we are decidedly mediocre.

(01-31-2020 11:53 AM)monarx Wrote:  Its always "we'll be great in 2 years". But then people smoke pot, get hurt, transfer, don't develop etc. I really thought next season could be something special of the likes we haven't seen since the BT days. Maybe at-large potential. But now with the transfers and injuries we're back to wait for two years. Its hard being a Monarch fan. But I guess thats what makes the good years so sweet. We pay our dues for them.

Yep
Kith - gone
Dickens - regressed and gone
Godwin - regressed and gone
Green - regressed
Wade - career threatening injury
Ezikpe - no significant development at best

JJ has lost his credibility to say "next year". It never pans out that way.

(01-31-2020 12:08 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 11:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 11:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 10:56 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Very good is extremely relative.

Good enough to win CUSA? Maybe.

Good enough to get an at large under the tutelage of Jeff jones?

Nah i don’t see it and i wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you.

I'm as disappointed in this season so far as anyone. Losing to JMU is simply inexcusable. Maybe I'm s victim of low expectations for the 2020 team from here on out.

But I still hold that this thread in premature. We're talking about reigning CUSA Coach Of The Year. In 2019, JJ...

• Beat W&M and VCU (I know, beating W&M should be expected)
• Won a signature game (at Syracuse)
• Beat MTSU
• Won the Regular Season Title
• Won the CUSA Tourmament Title
• Improved Recruiting
• Won the forementioned coach of the year
  

So while I hold that 1 title in 7 years is below ODU Standards, we're currently talking about 1 title in 1 year.

My main criticism of JJ leading up to last season was his lack of recruiting. He simply hasn't landed many freshmen, period. Talley, Caver, and Carver were his first 3 if I'm not mistaken. The "pure shooter" experiment went up in smoke with the departure of Hueitt and Godwin.

However, this sophomore class of Wade, Ezikpe, Reece, and Oliver is starting to look real good, and I think that JJ earned the right last year to develop them. I think we expected way too much of Oliver in his first few games, but he's turning into the player that we thought he would be, and we have him for two more years (we hope). The player development of Curry and Reece has been phenomenal so far, and JJ deserves credit, whether one likes his approach or not. For Reece in particular, the sky is the limit. If Wade can make it completely back, you add a big man to this bunch and continue to develop them, we could easily see a top 50 team within two years. Maybe sooner, and maybe better.

According to JJ, Hunter's issue is with nerves, and I can speak from experience that the only cure for that is playing time. Let's hope he can get some this year.

In short, it's way too soon to blow up what could potential be one of our best teams come 2022, especially coming off of last year.

Now if this bunch falls short, then we can have this discussion.

So 1 NCAAT in 8 or 9 years is good enough for you? Sorry, the clock doesn't reset when you aren't able to maintain success. If the team was good this year and didn't make the NCAAT, that would bolster your argument, but that isn't the case. The recruiting has dipped back to previous levels since that one solid class, and the team has taken a huge step backward in terms of success on the court. The reset has been negated at this point. We have to look at the totality, since last year looks more like an outlier than a trend at this point.

I would say that this year is more of an outlier than anything else so I don't understand that comment.

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Those numbers tell me we are decidedly mediocre.

Not sure who ranked us 64 that year, but that had to be the worst #64 team in the history of college basketball. Your meaning to tell me that team that didn't even get considered for the NIT was better than the one that beat 2 ranked teams OOC, sniffed the top 25 one week themselves, and was the first team out of the NCAAs? That's why KenPom is a joke and selection committees exist.

(01-31-2020 12:50 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 11:53 AM)monarx Wrote:  Its always "we'll be great in 2 years". But then people smoke pot, get hurt, transfer, don't develop etc. I really thought next season could be something special of the likes we haven't seen since the BT days. Maybe at-large potential. But now with the transfers and injuries we're back to wait for two years. Its hard being a Monarch fan. But I guess thats what makes the good years so sweet. We pay our dues for them.

Yep
Kith - gone
Dickens - regressed and gone
Godwin - regressed and gone
Green - regressed
Wade - career threatening injury
Ezikpe - no significant development at best

JJ has lost his credibility to say "next year". It never pans out that way.

We should also remember that next year's team will not have AC Carver, who averages 10 rebounds per game. The only solution for JJ is an experience grad center transfer. No growing pains for this player, if JJ gets one.

(01-31-2020 11:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 10:56 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:39 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:34 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  If we have to wait 3 years to ditch this nepotistic hire my head is going to explode.

1 ncaa tourney bid and no at larges in 7 years and a complete disaster of a team in year 7 does NOT deserve 3 more years. Absolutely hell to the no.

This current sophomore class is going to be very good if it stays together. Just need a few more pieces.

Very good is extremely relative.

Good enough to win CUSA? Maybe.

Good enough to get an at large under the tutelage of Jeff jones?

Nah i don’t see it and i wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you.

I'm as disappointed in this season so far as anyone. Losing to JMU is simply inexcusable. Maybe I'm s victim of low expectations for the 2020 team from here on out.

But I still hold that this thread in premature. We're talking about reigning CUSA Coach Of The Year. In 2019, JJ...

• Beat W&M and VCU (I know, beating W&M should be expected)
• Won a signature game (at Syracuse)
• Beat MTSU
• Won the Regular Season Title
• Won the CUSA Tourmament Title
• Improved Recruiting
• Won the forementioned coach of the year
  

So while I hold that 1 title in 7 years is below ODU Standards, we're currently talking about 1 title in 1 year.

My main criticism of JJ leading up to last season was his lack of recruiting. He simply hasn't landed many freshmen, period. Talley, Caver, and Carver were his first 3 if I'm not mistaken. The "pure shooter" experiment went up in smoke with the departure of Hueitt and Godwin.

However, this sophomore class of Wade, Ezikpe, Reece, and Oliver is starting to look real good, and I think that JJ earned the right last year to develop them. I think we expected way too much of Oliver in his first few games, but he's turning into the player that we thought he would be, and we have him for two more years (we hope). The player development of Curry and Reece has been phenomenal so far, and JJ deserves credit, whether one likes his approach or not. For Reece in particular, the sky is the limit. If Wade can make it completely back, you add a big man to this bunch and continue to develop them, we could easily see a top 50 team within two years. Maybe sooner, and maybe better.

According to JJ, Hunter's issue is with nerves, and I can speak from experience that the only cure for that is playing time. Let's hope he can get some this year.

In short, it's way too soon to blow up what could potential be one of our best teams come 2022, especially coming off of last year.

Now if this bunch falls short, then we can have this discussion.

So 1 NCAAT in 8 or 9 years is good enough for you? Sorry, the clock doesn't reset when you aren't able to maintain success. If the team was good this year and didn't make the NCAAT, that would bolster your argument, but that isn't the case. The recruiting has dipped back to previous levels since that one solid class, and the team has taken a huge step backward in terms of success on the court. The reset has been negated at this point. We have to look at the totality, since last year looks more like an outlier than a trend at this point.

Nope. Not good enough. However, if he can get to another NCAAT within 2 years, that's 2 in 9 or 10 years. Not great, but on par with what we historically pull off.

At the beginning of last season, I asked myself what JJ needed to accomplish for me to not want him let go (in other words, this very question). He accomplished everything on the list.

JJ has proven to be a excellent in-game coach. He's also showing that he can develop young players (now that he has finally recruited some to develop).

I think that the current sophomore class has the potential to be a special one. (Jury is still out on the freshman class). If they can stay together (and healthy), it'll be a good test case to see if JJ is the guy to take us to the next level (top 50 program). We also have what is sounds like a pretty good incoming freshman whom we signed in the early period (haven't had one of those in a while).

You just don't fire the reigning Coach of the Year fresh off a conference champion because of a slow start with a young team (even if they lose to JMU at home.) Maybe I'm naïve, but I see some good things in spite of our early season growing pains.

Heck, I haven't totally written off an NCAA appearance for this season. Not likely with our depth, but we have as good a shot as anyone. (That may say more about the conference this year than us).

(01-31-2020 10:53 AM)757ODU Wrote:  YES YES YES! I asked this very question to a search firm, and received the response of..."It would likely be an assistant coach".

So you asked Drew Turner?

Next year we will have Kalu and Reece in the frontcourt with the Pilavious and Karaiskos backing them up. We could use some depth but I'm not sure it will be a grad center. They would likely have to come off the bench behind Ezikpe.

Ezikpe "who hasn't developed" is still only a soph. He's played more minutes. He's rebounded better, more assists and steals, etc. In conference play he has really come on of late. PER of 28 (2nd behind Wade), rebound rate of 23% (1st), ws/40 of .227 (2nd behind Wade). He started slow but has really come on late and played like most of us expected him to.

(01-31-2020 02:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Next year we will have Kalu and Reece in the frontcourt with the Pilavious and Karaiskos backing them up. We could use some depth but I'm not sure it will be a grad center. They would likely have to come off the bench behind Ezikpe.

Ezikpe "who hasn't developed" is still only a soph. He's played more minutes. He's rebounded better, more assists and steals, etc. In conference play he has really come on of late. PER of 28 (2nd behind Wade), rebound rate of 23% (1st), ws/40 of .227 (2nd behind Wade). He started slow but has really come on late and played like most of us expected him to.

If Pilavios is in the frontcourt, we are in trouble. At this point, he would serve better as a third string off guard behind Wade, Oliver, and Green (maybe even behind the incoming freshman.) We definitely need another big, hopefully a true 5.

(01-31-2020 03:11 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 02:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Next year we will have Kalu and Reece in the frontcourt with the Pilavious and Karaiskos backing them up. We could use some depth but I'm not sure it will be a grad center. They would likely have to come off the bench behind Ezikpe.

Ezikpe "who hasn't developed" is still only a soph. He's played more minutes. He's rebounded better, more assists and steals, etc. In conference play he has really come on of late. PER of 28 (2nd behind Wade), rebound rate of 23% (1st), ws/40 of .227 (2nd behind Wade). He started slow but has really come on late and played like most of us expected him to.

If Pilavios is in the frontcourt, we are in trouble. At this point, he would serve better as a third string off guard behind Wade, Oliver, and Green (maybe even behind the incoming freshman.) We definitely need another big, hopefully a true 5.

He's obviously not a great option at this point but he's been improving. Ideally, someone else will come in next year, possibly another recruit that we've been talking to. Alfis certainly not a guard though.

(01-31-2020 03:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:11 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 02:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Next year we will have Kalu and Reece in the frontcourt with the Pilavious and Karaiskos backing them up. We could use some depth but I'm not sure it will be a grad center. They would likely have to come off the bench behind Ezikpe.

Ezikpe "who hasn't developed" is still only a soph. He's played more minutes. He's rebounded better, more assists and steals, etc. In conference play he has really come on of late. PER of 28 (2nd behind Wade), rebound rate of 23% (1st), ws/40 of .227 (2nd behind Wade). He started slow but has really come on late and played like most of us expected him to.

If Pilavios is in the frontcourt, we are in trouble. At this point, he would serve better as a third string off guard behind Wade, Oliver, and Green (maybe even behind the incoming freshman.) We definitely need another big, hopefully a true 5.

He's obviously not a great option at this point but he's been improving. Ideally, someone else will come in next year, possibly another recruit that we've been talking to. Alfis certainly not a guard though.

Oh I definitely don't mean to disparage the guy. I appreciate his hustle, his passing ability, and what he brings to the table. But the reality is that he is 6'5" and maybe 200 lbs. soaking wet.

When I say frontcourt, I mean a guy that can hang physically with the guys from WKU, Marshall, and UTEP. That's what we need.

(01-31-2020 05:48 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:11 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 02:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Next year we will have Kalu and Reece in the frontcourt with the Pilavious and Karaiskos backing them up. We could use some depth but I'm not sure it will be a grad center. They would likely have to come off the bench behind Ezikpe.

Ezikpe "who hasn't developed" is still only a soph. He's played more minutes. He's rebounded better, more assists and steals, etc. In conference play he has really come on of late. PER of 28 (2nd behind Wade), rebound rate of 23% (1st), ws/40 of .227 (2nd behind Wade). He started slow but has really come on late and played like most of us expected him to.

If Pilavios is in the frontcourt, we are in trouble. At this point, he would serve better as a third string off guard behind Wade, Oliver, and Green (maybe even behind the incoming freshman.) We definitely need another big, hopefully a true 5.

He's obviously not a great option at this point but he's been improving. Ideally, someone else will come in next year, possibly another recruit that we've been talking to. Alfis certainly not a guard though.

When I say frontcourt, I mean a guy that can hang physically with the guys from WKU, Marshall, and UTEP. That's what we need.

Read this a few times and let it sink in.

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(01-31-2020 01:47 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 11:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 10:56 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 10:39 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  This current sophomore class is going to be very good if it stays together. Just need a few more pieces.

Very good is extremely relative.

Good enough to win CUSA? Maybe.

Good enough to get an at large under the tutelage of Jeff jones?

Nah i don’t see it and i wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you.

I'm as disappointed in this season so far as anyone. Losing to JMU is simply inexcusable. Maybe I'm s victim of low expectations for the 2020 team from here on out.

But I still hold that this thread in premature. We're talking about reigning CUSA Coach Of The Year. In 2019, JJ...

• Beat W&M and VCU (I know, beating W&M should be expected)
• Won a signature game (at Syracuse)
• Beat MTSU
• Won the Regular Season Title
• Won the CUSA Tourmament Title
• Improved Recruiting
• Won the forementioned coach of the year
  

So while I hold that 1 title in 7 years is below ODU Standards, we're currently talking about 1 title in 1 year.

My main criticism of JJ leading up to last season was his lack of recruiting. He simply hasn't landed many freshmen, period. Talley, Caver, and Carver were his first 3 if I'm not mistaken. The "pure shooter" experiment went up in smoke with the departure of Hueitt and Godwin.

However, this sophomore class of Wade, Ezikpe, Reece, and Oliver is starting to look real good, and I think that JJ earned the right last year to develop them. I think we expected way too much of Oliver in his first few games, but he's turning into the player that we thought he would be, and we have him for two more years (we hope). The player development of Curry and Reece has been phenomenal so far, and JJ deserves credit, whether one likes his approach or not. For Reece in particular, the sky is the limit. If Wade can make it completely back, you add a big man to this bunch and continue to develop them, we could easily see a top 50 team within two years. Maybe sooner, and maybe better.

According to JJ, Hunter's issue is with nerves, and I can speak from experience that the only cure for that is playing time. Let's hope he can get some this year.

In short, it's way too soon to blow up what could potential be one of our best teams come 2022, especially coming off of last year.

Now if this bunch falls short, then we can have this discussion.

So 1 NCAAT in 8 or 9 years is good enough for you? Sorry, the clock doesn't reset when you aren't able to maintain success. If the team was good this year and didn't make the NCAAT, that would bolster your argument, but that isn't the case. The recruiting has dipped back to previous levels since that one solid class, and the team has taken a huge step backward in terms of success on the court. The reset has been negated at this point. We have to look at the totality, since last year looks more like an outlier than a trend at this point.

Nope. Not good enough. However, if he can get to another NCAAT within 2 years, that's 2 in 9 or 10 years. Not great, but on par with what we historically pull off.

No offense but I HATE this argument.

Historically is not a good argument because of the changing dynamic of what odu has done in twenty years.

With the Ted on campis, with the growth of the fanbase from football, with the practice facility built on campus, with the growth of the school away from a commuter school and with the success Blaine Taylor had here, there is no reason at all to compare ourselves to “historical” odu and what we did at the scope.

Yes CUSA sucks, that’s just even more of a reason we should be in the NCAA tourney more often, we should be dominating this crap conference but we aren’t.

I absolutely guarantee you a sober Blaine Taylor would have destroyed this conference.

We must expect at least the level Blaine built before he got drunk.

That should have been the stepping stone (like it was for vcu) not the freaking unachievable high water mark.

Our resources are the best in CUSA. Our fanbase is the best. We just need a coach and a AD with vision and drive who will excite the fanbase and deliver on our promise.

The status quo of what we’ve got from Jeff and wood is nothing more than a slow painful death of slightly above mediocre and going nowhere fast.

Don’t use Blaine’s weakness as an excuse. We were mediocre with Baze and a sober Blaine for Baze’s senior year. We lost in a no-name tournament against Mercer (after Baze was unable to play for a reason I’m not going to bring up). And then it went downhill from there. But I agree it’s time to move on from JJ and hire another coach who can hopefully take us to the next level.

(01-31-2020 11:50 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Don’t use Blaine’s weakness as an excuse. We were mediocre with Baze and a sober Blaine for Baze’s senior year. We lost in a no-name tournament against Mercer (after Baze was unable to play for a reason I’m not going to bring up). And then it went downhill from there. But I agree it’s time to move on from JJ and hire another coach who can hopefully take us to the next level.

Thank you for saying it.

(02-01-2020 01:32 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 11:50 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Don’t use Blaine’s weakness as an excuse. We were mediocre with Baze and a sober Blaine for Baze’s senior year. We lost in a no-name tournament against Mercer (after Baze was unable to play for a reason I’m not going to bring up). And then it went downhill from there. But I agree it’s time to move on from JJ and hire another coach who can hopefully take us to the next level.

Thank you for saying it.

If you think Blaine was sober Baze's senior year, I have a bridge to sell you.

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(02-01-2020 04:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 01:32 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 11:50 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Don’t use Blaine’s weakness as an excuse. We were mediocre with Baze and a sober Blaine for Baze’s senior year. We lost in a no-name tournament against Mercer (after Baze was unable to play for a reason I’m not going to bring up). And then it went downhill from there. But I agree it’s time to move on from JJ and hire another coach who can hopefully take us to the next level.

Thank you for saying it.

If you think Blaine was sober Baze's senior year, I have a bridge to sell you.

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He was still firmly on the rails. I love Blaine as much as any Monarch fan, but his biggest weakest was his lack of consistency - which is the key to long-term success in any field. He had an exceptional run for a handful of years but couldn’t sustain it. Regardless of the reason, he couldn’t sustain his success and that is the bottom line.

I don't know if he had devolved to the point of being drunk at games yet that year, but he was drunk all over Norfolk. His favorite watering hole was the New Belmont on 22nd and Colonial (long since closed). In fact, he was hanging out there as early as 2004-2005. I know this because I was there and saw him multiple times with my own eyes. Never saw him out of control, but heard he was pretty schitfaced singing Karaoke one night (did not see that personally) in the earlier half of his tenure. You don't just get to where he was in the snap of a finger. It is a progressive disease. Everyone knew it the last seveal years, even the when we were a top 30 team. Opposing coaches would use his boozing against him with recruits just like they are using JJ's health against him.

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Does it really achieve anything to keep rehashing BT's troubles? Does it make some people on here feel better about themselves? Ye, he was drunk a lot, it cost him dearly in every way, he's in recovery and he's working. Do we really have so little humanity that we have to churn over this again and again? It's disgusting.

Mock away, all you lily-pure, all-knowing citizens.

(02-03-2020 08:31 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  Does it really achieve anything to keep rehashing BT's troubles? Does it make some people on here feel better about themselves? Ye, he was drunk a lot, it cost him dearly in every way, he's in recovery and he's working. Do we really have so little humanity that we have to churn over this again and again? It's disgusting.

Mock away, all you lily-pure, all-knowing citizens.

Thank you Bench Jockey.