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Poll: What would it take for you to fire JJ after next season?
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A repeat of this season 24.32% 9 24.32%
A .500 season 18.92% 7 18.92%
20 wins & no post season 21.62% 8 21.62%
25 wins & no post season 5.41% 2 5.41%
It doesn't matter. He needs to go 29.73% 11 29.73%
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What is your breaking point with JJ?
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
Wichita St. wasn't always Wichita St good then either. I would think there were a few years in there where we were the better team. But he has taken us from being better than VCU/GMU/Richmond to losing to JMU and WM. To be fair, we've often seemed to find a way to lose to WM.
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(01-30-2020 11:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  And his last 2 years of recruiting, and I agree he quit, still yielded better players than anyone JJ has recruited aside from Caver.

This doesn't really deserve a response but it should be highlighted so everyone can see this wild claim.

JJ has been here for 7 years and unless I am forgetting someone, Caver was the only 4 year recruit JJ brought in that will pan out. Carver will be the 2nd, though whether he panned out or not would be a completely different discussion if we had a good team. Blaine recruited Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross in his last 2 years, all 4 year players. Who else besides Caver do you think Jones has recruited that is better than Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross?
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
(01-30-2020 12:24 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 11:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  And his last 2 years of recruiting, and I agree he quit, still yielded better players than anyone JJ has recruited aside from Caver.

This doesn't really deserve a response but it should be highlighted so everyone can see this wild claim.

JJ has been here for 7 years and unless I am forgetting someone, Caver was the only 4 year recruit JJ brought in that will pan out. Carver will be the 2nd, though whether he panned out or not would be a completely different discussion if we had a good team. Blaine recruited Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross in his last 2 years, all 4 year players. Who else besides Caver do you think Jones has recruited that is better than Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross?

Wade.
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
(01-30-2020 12:24 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 11:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  And his last 2 years of recruiting, and I agree he quit, still yielded better players than anyone JJ has recruited aside from Caver.

This doesn't really deserve a response but it should be highlighted so everyone can see this wild claim.

JJ has been here for 7 years and unless I am forgetting someone, Caver was the only 4 year recruit JJ brought in that will pan out. Carver will be the 2nd, though whether he panned out or not would be a completely different discussion if we had a good team. Blaine recruited Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross in his last 2 years, all 4 year players. Who else besides Caver do you think Jones has recruited that is better than Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross?

Wade, X and Carver.

Transfers are also recruits. You can't discount all the talent he's recruited via the portal just because it fits your narrative.
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
X and Carver are not better in my opinion. Wade might be, we'll see if he sticks around and passes all his piss tests.
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
(01-30-2020 12:31 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:24 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 11:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  And his last 2 years of recruiting, and I agree he quit, still yielded better players than anyone JJ has recruited aside from Caver.

This doesn't really deserve a response but it should be highlighted so everyone can see this wild claim.

JJ has been here for 7 years and unless I am forgetting someone, Caver was the only 4 year recruit JJ brought in that will pan out. Carver will be the 2nd, though whether he panned out or not would be a completely different discussion if we had a good team. Blaine recruited Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross in his last 2 years, all 4 year players. Who else besides Caver do you think Jones has recruited that is better than Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross?

Wade, X and Carver.

Transfers are also recruits. You can't discount all the talent he's recruited via the portal just because it fits your narrative.


Kalu will also be better than Taylor and Ross.
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(01-30-2020 12:38 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:31 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:24 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 11:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  And his last 2 years of recruiting, and I agree he quit, still yielded better players than anyone JJ has recruited aside from Caver.

This doesn't really deserve a response but it should be highlighted so everyone can see this wild claim.

JJ has been here for 7 years and unless I am forgetting someone, Caver was the only 4 year recruit JJ brought in that will pan out. Carver will be the 2nd, though whether he panned out or not would be a completely different discussion if we had a good team. Blaine recruited Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross in his last 2 years, all 4 year players. Who else besides Caver do you think Jones has recruited that is better than Bacote, Baker, Denzel Taylor, and Richard Ross?

Wade, X and Carver.

Transfers are also recruits. You can't discount all the talent he's recruited via the portal just because it fits your narrative.


Kalu will also be better than Taylor and Ross.

Agreed. Disappointed I left him off.
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(01-30-2020 12:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  X and Carver are not better in my opinion. Wade might be, we'll see if he sticks around and passes all his piss tests.

Denzell Taylor couldn't play offense and Ross could only make dunks. Both had a similar FT % to Carver. Carver isn't the same player that they were, but he's a monster on the boards and is a versatile defender that can defend 1-5. Carver is certainly at the same level as those 2.
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
(01-30-2020 12:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  X and Carver are not better in my opinion. Wade might be, we'll see if he sticks around and passes all his piss tests.

You dont think Green is better than Baker or Taylor?
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(01-30-2020 12:55 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  X and Carver are not better in my opinion. Wade might be, we'll see if he sticks around and passes all his piss tests.

Denzell Taylor couldn't play offense and Ross could only make dunks. Both had a similar FT % to Carver. Carver isn't the same player that they were, but he's a monster on the boards and is a versatile defender that can defend 1-5. Carver is certainly at the same level as those 2.

Ok, so JJ recruits at about the same level as Blaine in his last 2 years. I can buy that. Don't forget either that Blaine also recruited Batten, who played significant minutes in the ACC after Jones ran him out and Mosley, who led UNCW to the NCAAs after Jones ran him out.
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(01-30-2020 01:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:55 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  X and Carver are not better in my opinion. Wade might be, we'll see if he sticks around and passes all his piss tests.

Denzell Taylor couldn't play offense and Ross could only make dunks. Both had a similar FT % to Carver. Carver isn't the same player that they were, but he's a monster on the boards and is a versatile defender that can defend 1-5. Carver is certainly at the same level as those 2.

Ok, so JJ recruits at about the same level as Blaine in his last 2 years. I can buy that.

Under the nonsense parameters you placed.

Freeman, BJ, Brandon, Porter, Curry, Haynes, and Arledge are all better than those recruits.
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(01-30-2020 12:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  X and Carver are not better in my opinion. Wade might be, we'll see if he sticks around and passes all his piss tests.

You cannot be serious about x.......
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(01-30-2020 09:17 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  When were we ever Wichita State good? I must have missed it.

Yep. You missed it.
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(01-30-2020 01:39 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 01:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:55 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  X and Carver are not better in my opinion. Wade might be, we'll see if he sticks around and passes all his piss tests.

Denzell Taylor couldn't play offense and Ross could only make dunks. Both had a similar FT % to Carver. Carver isn't the same player that they were, but he's a monster on the boards and is a versatile defender that can defend 1-5. Carver is certainly at the same level as those 2.

Ok, so JJ recruits at about the same level as Blaine in his last 2 years. I can buy that.

Under the nonsense parameters you placed.

Freeman, BJ, Brandon, Porter, Curry, Haynes, and Arledge are all better than those recruits.

Oliver too.
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(01-30-2020 01:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:55 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  X and Carver are not better in my opinion. Wade might be, we'll see if he sticks around and passes all his piss tests.

Denzell Taylor couldn't play offense and Ross could only make dunks. Both had a similar FT % to Carver. Carver isn't the same player that they were, but he's a monster on the boards and is a versatile defender that can defend 1-5. Carver is certainly at the same level as those 2.

Ok, so JJ recruits at about the same level as Blaine in his last 2 years. I can buy that. Don't forget either that Blaine also recruited Batten, who played significant minutes in the ACC after Jones ran him out and Mosley, who led UNCW to the NCAAs after Jones ran him out.

Why do you think Jones ran Batten out? Why do you think he ran Mosely out?
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(01-30-2020 11:50 AM)monarx Wrote:  Wichita St. wasn't always Wichita St good then either. I would think there were a few years in there where we were the better team. But he has taken us from being better than VCU/GMU/Richmond to losing to JMU and WM. To be fair, we've often seemed to find a way to lose to WM.

JMU beat ODU this year. It was an upset. That doesn't make them better than ODU any more than ODU beating Syracuse last year makes them the better team. Something crap happens.
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(01-29-2020 01:46 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  AHHHH!!! So you admit to making it up. Hopefully after more than a decade you finally understand the meaning of the word "potential"...especially as it pertains to a one-time stellar performance being extrapolated across the vast majority of a season.

Troll on, Troll.

How you reached this conclusion from what I posted is absolutely ASTONISHING
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(01-29-2020 08:17 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Coming off a Conference title, this thread is way to premature.
Now if he goes 3 years without another NCAA bid, we can have this discussion.

If we have to wait 3 years to ditch this nepotistic hire my head is going to explode.

1 ncaa tourney bid and no at larges in 7 years and a complete disaster of a team in year 7 does NOT deserve 3 more years. Absolutely hell to the no.
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(01-30-2020 11:01 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 09:17 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  When were we ever Wichita State good? I must have missed it.

Unfortunately never. We had 2 top 50 seasons under BT that were great years (37, 48 in 10-11) but people remember that short stretch way more than the remember the remainder of his career.

BT:

164
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118
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37
48
111
276

We have never been Butler, Witchita State, Gonzaga good. Would love to get there at some point but not sure how that happens.

These were not our rpi numbers. Use the stats that mattered in those days or gtfo.
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(01-30-2020 10:34 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 08:17 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Coming off a Conference title, this thread is way to premature.
Now if he goes 3 years without another NCAA bid, we can have this discussion.

If we have to wait 3 years to ditch this nepotistic hire my head is going to explode.

1 ncaa tourney bid and no at larges in 7 years and a complete disaster of a team in year 7 does NOT deserve 3 more years. Absolutely hell to the no.

This current sophomore class is going to be very good if it stays together. Just need a few more pieces.
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